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  • XPraetorianXXPraetorianX Member CommonPosts: 107
    Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
    Originally posted by Kaneth
    Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
    Originally posted by AlBQuirky

     


    Originally posted by teakbois

    Originally posted by Zekiah 
    I vote with my wallet.
     

    I can understand that, but, i don't because i know the masses will eat it up no matter what, so i won't keep myself away from games i enjoy.

    Regarding B2P, well GW1 was great, but i consider GW2 alot more greedy. Box price, huge CS with tons of boosters and convinince items (cosmetics are cool), paid expansions, and being froced to buy GW1 to get HOM rewards. Even worse then pure box and sub (no cs) IMO.

    Anyway, if one should try TSW is up to them. I like it, but some won't.

     

    You aren't forced to do anything, and I doubt your typical mmoer would even be bothered with the grind that HoM can be, especially considering the rewards are mostly cosmetic.

    So why is a CS and sub so problematic? I hate both systems because they're cash grabs and greedy.

    "Thanks for paying your sub, have a nice day"

    "Hey, can i have those cool armors and pets?"

    "No, you must pay extra money for those despite having already bought the box and payed your sub and expansion"

     

    I don't look at this as being much better:

    "Thank you for paying for you expansion, have a nice day"

    "Hey can i have those cool armors and pets?"

    "No, you must buy a game you don't want to have access to them despite having already bought teh box and spent money on our Cash Shop and expansions"

     

    Yes, it is indeed less greedy, but still pretty much so.

    Greed is good it motivates and drives innovation. Stop buying into socialist propaganda. Bottom line is money makes the world go round. I hope Funcom makes a HUGE profit and then these guys can come up with new ideas and they will have the money to see them to fruition.

     

  • sycofiendsycofiend Member UncommonPosts: 129
    Originally posted by AlBQuirky

    TSW may be a great game, but I will not support a box sale + sub + cash shop business model.

    Personally I dont stress over the pricing model, I am more concerned with HAVING FUN, and I am perfectly fine with shelling out cash to keep a good game going that I enjoy.

     

    Will let you know, trying it out tonight !

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775

    it took one actual game play video for me to say 'no way'.

    that and all the 'cartoonish' colors they use on their front page told me that yet again another MMO designed for...not me.

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • dadante666dadante666 Member UncommonPosts: 402
    Originally posted by netentropy

    Let me just get this out of the way. I am in no way affiliated with Funcom. 

    I am a 36 year old dude that loves MMORPGs and have not been challenged or loved a game since Dark Age of Camelot and then FFXI. I was not going to even try TSW. I have been testing every game I could download lately and putting it down after an hour or so.

    I read MMORPG.com nightly trying to find a game. Everything gets bashed. 

    I was bored. I had the money. I said why not and I haven't stopped playing since I purchased it. AMAZING and, more importently, FUN.

    You should give it a try.

     

     

    if you really wanna play somthign worth  that dont steal your money and real fun try gw2  ,but honestly TSW not even worth sub and not is not really that fun and combat  just look like Aoc ,i play the game  and i was really sad about combat is way out of placed ,i may try it when it gos f2p and  whit gw2  i may say maybe...

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Originally posted by XPraetorianX
    Greed is good it motivates and drives innovation. Stop buying into socialist propaganda. Bottom line is money makes the world go round. I hope Funcom makes a HUGE profit and then these guys can come up with new ideas and they will have the money to see them to fruition.

     

    actually it doesnt. Its one of the biggest myths next to perhaps supply side economics.

    Greed inspires restriction and market control, not innovation and we see it all the time.

    an old classic example is why there are not any high speed rails in the US. Ever wonder why? because the airline industries lobbied against it.

    So much for innovation.

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • OmiragOmirag Member UncommonPosts: 276

     

    I love how the major defense for the game is that it takes 'intelligence'. I do not know about you, but if by making a quest marker not blink and display on every menu on your screen and still being able to find the quest is what counts as being intelligent by today's standards, well just pass me the loaded gun...

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  • antshock35antshock35 Member Posts: 114
    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    Originally posted by Flaeb

    Played it for 10 minutes and uninstalled. Not my cup of tea.

    lol the intro movie is 8 minutes long

     hahahahaahahahahaha.......that is hilarious....come on man..10mins and you put it away ..whats your cup of tea legoland?

    Im kidding flaeb just messing to each his own. I havent even played it I am dying to but I only have time for one mmo and I think its going to be gw2 because the commiunity hopefully will be steady and won't disappear after 2mnths like every mmo since ff11 or wow

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Originally posted by Killsmallchi

     

    I love how the major defense for the game is that it takes 'intelligence'. I do not know about you, but if by making a quest marker not blink and display on every menu on your screen and still being able to find the quest is what counts as being intelligent by today's standards, well just pass me the loaded gun...

    well put.

    I think it also involves looking up puzzle answers to but I am not sure because the game didnt look intresting to me from a game interaction perspective.

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • Ambros123Ambros123 Member Posts: 877
    Originally posted by Kaneth
    Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
    Originally posted by AlBQuirky

     


    Originally posted by teakbois

    Originally posted by Zekiah 
    I vote with my wallet.
     

    I can understand that, but, i don't because i know the masses will eat it up no matter what, so i won't keep myself away from games i enjoy.

    Regarding B2P, well GW1 was great, but i consider GW2 alot more greedy. Box price, huge CS with tons of boosters and convinince items (cosmetics are cool), paid expansions, and being froced to buy GW1 to get HOM rewards. Even worse then pure box and sub (no cs) IMO.

    Anyway, if one should try TSW is up to them. I like it, but some won't.

     

    You aren't forced to do anything, and I doubt your typical mmoer would even be bothered with the grind that HoM can be, especially considering the rewards are mostly cosmetic.

    And those cosmetics aren't all that great.

  • MeliezaMelieza Member Posts: 269
    Originally posted by Killsmallchi

     

    I love how the major defense for the game is that it takes 'intelligence'. I do not know about you, but if by making a quest marker not blink and display on every menu on your screen and still being able to find the quest is what counts as being intelligent by today's standards, well just pass me the loaded gun...

    You obviously know nothing about this game and didn't play it.  If you did, you'd know people are saying it requires intelligence because there are quests that require NO COMBAT.  The only way to complete them is search around for clues, READ THEM, do some research, and hopefully eventually figure it out.

    It has nothing to do with quest markers, in fact, all of TSW's quests have quest markers.  You'd know this if you know....you actually played the game.

  • TsumoroTsumoro Member UncommonPosts: 435

    I am playing TSW and having a lot of fun and enjoying myself. The real show stealer for me is the dungeons which are wonderfully done. Having just done the Inferno it was nice to play through content that had no 'hand-holding'  and required me to move around and be engaging with the bosses. I got so tired of games where I simply just sit behind things and wail on them until they are dead, same as for tanking...although that was from the front.

    The thing about this game is I would say it's not everyones cup-o-tea, it's for, perhaps those with a bit more patience and exploration in their blood. If you stay in the game and interact with it, listen to the NPC's stories, the first NPC's of which I might add I can actually remember their names too.. unlike SWTOR then you get the benefit from it.

    The community seems nice with everyone a-buzz with the investigation missions which are equally fantasic, but again, might not suit some other players.

    The pricing plan for me doesn't bother me my MMO history was as such

     

    Nexustk , WoW, FFXI, AoC, FFXIV, SWTOR, RIFT and now TSW so I am no stranger to subscriptions and each time I subscribe to an MMO I seldom buy other games. So say £10 a month, normally spend at least £40 on games a month I make an over all saving of £30 for playing a game that keeps my attention.  That is £30 I could put in the cash shop (which I won't).

    Cash shops I don't mind, people always pay for stuff like this as a means to be differen't. Thankfully there are plenty of in-game clothing that looks good (The Deck based clothing looks very cool) so I have no real reason to buy from item store, unless I become quite invested or wanted to buy gifts for friends etc.

     

    And finally, the atmosphere and characters to this game really sells it to me, to be honest I was looking for this from SWTOR but never received (imo), I also want to be treated like an adult, so I enjoy the mature content and I like the fact the apron strings are cut and I REALLY like that there are no levels and no sense of urgency to be somewhere. I can just lofg in, play and have fun.

    Thats my opinion on the game and its not mine, or others duty to convince you to play. I would hate to think you would play and be miserable. If you are unsure, then wait for a free trial. That's all there is to it really.

    If like me, and are having fun in the game then I shall see you in there in this hidden gem of a game.

     

    Tsu

  • mindw0rkmindw0rk Member UncommonPosts: 1,356
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD

    it took one actual game play video for me to say 'no way'.

     

    After watching one of so called gameplay videos (showing PvP and combat) I also said "no way" and was laughing at those who defended TSW.

    After trying the game myself I became TSW fanboy

  • XPraetorianXXPraetorianX Member CommonPosts: 107
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by XPraetorianX
    Greed is good it motivates and drives innovation. Stop buying into socialist propaganda. Bottom line is money makes the world go round. I hope Funcom makes a HUGE profit and then these guys can come up with new ideas and they will have the money to see them to fruition.

     

    actually it doesnt. Its one of the biggest myths next to perhaps supply side economics.

    Greed inspires restriction and market control, not innovation and we see it all the time.

    an old classic example is why there are not any high speed rails in the US. Ever wonder why? because the airline industries lobbied against it.

    So much for innovation.

     

    Wrong most Americans don’t like rail. We make enough to fly. Its faster and more convenient. The left in CA is pushing for High-speed rail despite the fact the state is going over the edge financially. Second point America has had more innovation in the last 100 years due to capitalism than anywhere else on the globe. Computers, Space exploration, Assembly line mass production, Apple Microsoft and seriously our movies and entertainment are unmatched. I could go on but I’m sure right now you are realizing how stupid your comment was. You could not make me ride high-speed rail. I like Flying from SMF to DFW in 3 hours. Ill pass on a 6 hour train ride.
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Originally posted by XPraetorianX
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by XPraetorianX
    Greed is good it motivates and drives innovation. Stop buying into socialist propaganda. Bottom line is money makes the world go round. I hope Funcom makes a HUGE profit and then these guys can come up with new ideas and they will have the money to see them to fruition.

     

    actually it doesnt. Its one of the biggest myths next to perhaps supply side economics.

    Greed inspires restriction and market control, not innovation and we see it all the time.

    an old classic example is why there are not any high speed rails in the US. Ever wonder why? because the airline industries lobbied against it.

    So much for innovation.

     

    Wrong most Americans don’t like rail. We make enough to fly. Its faster and more convenient. The left in CA is pushing for High-speed rail despite the fact the state is going over the edge financially. Second point America has had more innovation in the last 100 years due to capitalism than anywhere else on the globe. Computers, Space exploration, Assembly line mass production, Apple Microsoft and seriously our movies and entertainment are unmatched. I could go on but I’m sure right now you are realizing how stupid your comment was. You could not make me ride high-speed rail. I like Flying from SMF to DFW in 3 hours. Ill pass on a 6 hour train ride.

    no I am not being abstract.

    south west airlines successfully lobbied the texas state to not move ahead on high speed rail.

    texas casinos do not exist because tribes in oklahoma paid millions of dollars to a PR firm to make it a gambling a state concern and the stradegy worked

     

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • antshock35antshock35 Member Posts: 114
    Originally posted by XPraetorianX
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by XPraetorianX
    Greed is good it motivates and drives innovation. Stop buying into socialist propaganda. Bottom line is money makes the world go round. I hope Funcom makes a HUGE profit and then these guys can come up with new ideas and they will have the money to see them to fruition.

     

    actually it doesnt. Its one of the biggest myths next to perhaps supply side economics.

    Greed inspires restriction and market control, not innovation and we see it all the time.

    an old classic example is why there are not any high speed rails in the US. Ever wonder why? because the airline industries lobbied against it.

    So much for innovation.

     

    Wrong most Americans don’t like rail. We make enough to fly. Its faster and more convenient. The left in CA is pushing for High-speed rail despite the fact the state is going over the edge financially. Second point America has had more innovation in the last 100 years due to capitalism than anywhere else on the globe. Computers, Space exploration, Assembly line mass production, Apple Microsoft and seriously our movies and entertainment are unmatched. I could go on but I’m sure right now you are realizing how stupid your comment was. You could not make me ride high-speed rail. I like Flying from SMF to DFW in 3 hours. Ill pass on a 6 hour train ride.

     hear hear great repost xpredotrianX ......

  • teakboisteakbois Member Posts: 2,154
    Originally posted by Ethian

    My thought as well, I can admit I'm slightly bored of MMOs but unfortionately some people waste their time here trolling those who do enjoy a game. Going on 6 months now without playing MMOs but TSW is keeping me interested...its just the box price + $15 sub + cash-shop thats turning me off

    Just ignore the cash shop, I havent loaded it up once.

     

    But people need to understand this:

    Box sales and a sub are NOT ENOUGH to cover the development and operational costs (salaries and taxes especially) of a AAA, modern NICHE mmorpg.

    The cash shop isn't funcom being greedy, its funcom trying to recoup their investment while keeping everyone paid.

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Originally posted by antshock35
    Originally posted by XPraetorianX
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by XPraetorianX
    Greed is good it motivates and drives innovation. Stop buying into socialist propaganda. Bottom line is money makes the world go round. I hope Funcom makes a HUGE profit and then these guys can come up with new ideas and they will have the money to see them to fruition.

     

    actually it doesnt. Its one of the biggest myths next to perhaps supply side economics.

    Greed inspires restriction and market control, not innovation and we see it all the time.

    an old classic example is why there are not any high speed rails in the US. Ever wonder why? because the airline industries lobbied against it.

    So much for innovation.

     

    Wrong most Americans don’t like rail. We make enough to fly. Its faster and more convenient. The left in CA is pushing for High-speed rail despite the fact the state is going over the edge financially. Second point America has had more innovation in the last 100 years due to capitalism than anywhere else on the globe. Computers, Space exploration, Assembly line mass production, Apple Microsoft and seriously our movies and entertainment are unmatched. I could go on but I’m sure right now you are realizing how stupid your comment was. You could not make me ride high-speed rail. I like Flying from SMF to DFW in 3 hours. Ill pass on a 6 hour train ride.

     hear hear great repost xpredotrianX ......

    i like I replied I wasnt being abstract. southwest airlines paid millions of dollars in lobby money to have a bill kill in texas that would begin high speed rail contruction

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • XPraetorianXXPraetorianX Member CommonPosts: 107
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by antshock35
    Originally posted by XPraetorianX
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by XPraetorianX
    Greed is good it motivates and drives innovation. Stop buying into socialist propaganda. Bottom line is money makes the world go round. I hope Funcom makes a HUGE profit and then these guys can come up with new ideas and they will have the money to see them to fruition.

     

    actually it doesnt. Its one of the biggest myths next to perhaps supply side economics.

    Greed inspires restriction and market control, not innovation and we see it all the time.

    an old classic example is why there are not any high speed rails in the US. Ever wonder why? because the airline industries lobbied against it.

    So much for innovation.

     

    Wrong most Americans don’t like rail. We make enough to fly. Its faster and more convenient. The left in CA is pushing for High-speed rail despite the fact the state is going over the edge financially. Second point America has had more innovation in the last 100 years due to capitalism than anywhere else on the globe. Computers, Space exploration, Assembly line mass production, Apple Microsoft and seriously our movies and entertainment are unmatched. I could go on but I’m sure right now you are realizing how stupid your comment was. You could not make me ride high-speed rail. I like Flying from SMF to DFW in 3 hours. Ill pass on a 6 hour train ride.

     hear hear great repost xpredotrianX ......

    i like I replied I wasnt being abstract. southwest airlines paid millions of dollars in lobby money to have a bill kill in texas that would begin high speed rail contruction

    ???? So my counterpoint and original point was that innovation is spurred by the free market and the desire to profit (greed as you would call it) Rail is a step back not forward. Anyway enough politics TSW is fun if you can afford it play it. If not dont. Its worth a try.
  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Member CommonPosts: 10,910


    Originally posted by SEANMCAD

    Originally posted by antshock35

    Originally posted by XPraetorianX

    Originally posted by SEANMCAD

    Originally posted by XPraetorianX Greed is good it motivates and drives innovation. Stop buying into socialist propaganda. Bottom line is money makes the world go round. I hope Funcom makes a HUGE profit and then these guys can come up with new ideas and they will have the money to see them to fruition.  
    actually it doesnt. Its one of the biggest myths next to perhaps supply side economics. Greed inspires restriction and market control, not innovation and we see it all the time. an old classic example is why there are not any high speed rails in the US. Ever wonder why? because the airline industries lobbied against it. So much for innovation.
      Wrong most Americans don’t like rail. We make enough to fly. Its faster and more convenient. The left in CA is pushing for High-speed rail despite the fact the state is going over the edge financially. Second point America has had more innovation in the last 100 years due to capitalism than anywhere else on the globe. Computers, Space exploration, Assembly line mass production, Apple Microsoft and seriously our movies and entertainment are unmatched. I could go on but I’m sure right now you are realizing how stupid your comment was. You could not make me ride high-speed rail. I like Flying from SMF to DFW in 3 hours. Ill pass on a 6 hour train ride.
     hear hear great repost xpredotrianX ......
    i like I replied I wasnt being abstract. southwest airlines paid millions of dollars in lobby money to have a bill kill in texas that would begin high speed rail contruction

    Greed is certainly a motivator. Unfortunately it also motivates people to close the path to the top behind them. It's the reason that the wealth in the country has been migrating to the richest members of the country. It's not because they are achieving even more now, it's because they've changed the rules to maintain the status quo.

    Fortunately, this doesn't seem to be the case with the video game industry. An indie game company can get the top, and a company at the top can be dethroned and beheaded. This is how everything should work. Performance should be based on the merits of the product, not the skill of the lawyers or the amount of money available for lobbyists.

    ** edit **
    People should try TSW. I think they should wait for a free trial or something though. I think the game is a quality game and there's a lot to recommend it, but that doesn't mean people should spend money on something just because they might like it.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Originally posted by XPraetorianX
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by antshock35
    Originally posted by XPraetorianX
    Originally posted by SEANMCAD
    Originally posted by XPraetorianX
    Greed is good it motivates and drives innovation. Stop buying into socialist propaganda. Bottom line is money makes the world go round. I hope Funcom makes a HUGE profit and then these guys can come up with new ideas and they will have the money to see them to fruition.

     

    actually it doesnt. Its one of the biggest myths next to perhaps supply side economics.

    Greed inspires restriction and market control, not innovation and we see it all the time.

    an old classic example is why there are not any high speed rails in the US. Ever wonder why? because the airline industries lobbied against it.

    So much for innovation.

     

    Wrong most Americans don’t like rail. We make enough to fly. Its faster and more convenient. The left in CA is pushing for High-speed rail despite the fact the state is going over the edge financially. Second point America has had more innovation in the last 100 years due to capitalism than anywhere else on the globe. Computers, Space exploration, Assembly line mass production, Apple Microsoft and seriously our movies and entertainment are unmatched. I could go on but I’m sure right now you are realizing how stupid your comment was. You could not make me ride high-speed rail. I like Flying from SMF to DFW in 3 hours. Ill pass on a 6 hour train ride.

     hear hear great repost xpredotrianX ......

    i like I replied I wasnt being abstract. southwest airlines paid millions of dollars in lobby money to have a bill kill in texas that would begin high speed rail contruction

    ???? So my counterpoint and original point was that innovation is spurred by the free market and the desire to profit (greed as you would call it) Rail is a step back not forward. Anyway enough politics TSW is fun if you can afford it play it. If not dont. Its worth a try.

    1. I totally disagree. besides the point that that was only one example, would you like some more? there are TONS of examples of greed RESTRICTING innovation. Most of our innovation actually has roots in the public sector believe it or  not.

    2. I watched a game play video of TSW and was instatly turned off. It doesnt look good at all to me.

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • MyrdynnMyrdynn Member RarePosts: 2,479

    I am so sick of the Cash shop reteric, nothing in the shop you need to get, just like you dont need some stupid dragon mount from the wow cash shop.  If you want something buy it, if not there are plenty of clothing options available in game from vendors or decks

     

  • RyowulfRyowulf Member UncommonPosts: 664
    Originally posted by teakbois
    Originally posted by Ethian

    My thought as well, I can admit I'm slightly bored of MMOs but unfortionately some people waste their time here trolling those who do enjoy a game. Going on 6 months now without playing MMOs but TSW is keeping me interested...its just the box price + $15 sub + cash-shop thats turning me off

    Just ignore the cash shop, I havent loaded it up once.

     

    But people need to understand this:

    Box sales and a sub are NOT ENOUGH to cover the development and operational costs (salaries and taxes especially) of a AAA, modern NICHE mmorpg.

    The cash shop isn't funcom being greedy, its funcom trying to recoup their investment while keeping everyone paid.

    Unless you have links to hard numbers, which I don't think anyone outside the top brass has access to, then this is just your optinion.  I think Funcon wanted to make a game that a lot of people would like and play. I can't see them thinking, "we won't have many people playing our game, but for those that do we will charge them out the ling-yang".

    It isn't that you can just ignore it. A person has paid for the game. They are paying a monthly sub. To then have a cash shop with items you can't earn ingame, is simple greed. They limited cgen options to 'encourage' people to buy clothes and such (a perfectly fine thing in a ftp). They made people go to the cash shop to get their bonuses items for prepurchase to show them that its there.

    If Funcon is making so little money that they must resort to these tatics then maybe they shouldn't have made the game in the first place.

  • david361107david361107 Member UncommonPosts: 279

    Just picked up my copy today, played the beta weekend and had a lot of fun. Just wanted to tell all those out there that are waiting for it to go f2p that ,I don't see you playing TSW ever, shhhh everyone else I'll be seeing in-game, keep it secret, keep it safe.

     

    Peace

    Lascer

  • XPraetorianXXPraetorianX Member CommonPosts: 107
    Originally posted by Myrdynn

    I am so sick of the Cash shop reteric, nothing in the shop you need to get, just like you dont need some stupid dragon mount from the wow cash shop.  If you want something buy it, if not there are plenty of clothing options available in game from vendors or decks

     

    AGREE 100%

  • XPraetorianXXPraetorianX Member CommonPosts: 107
    Originally posted by david361107

    Just picked up my copy today, played the beta weekend and had a lot of fun. Just wanted to tell all those out there that are waiting for it to go f2p that ,I don't see you playing TSW ever, shhhh everyone else I'll be seeing in-game, keep it secret, keep it safe.

     

    Peace

    Lascer

    Right on ! See you in game

     

    Templar (Awe)

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