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Diablo 3 patch limits new players from accessing entire game for up to 72 hours

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  • MurlockDanceMurlockDance ParisPosts: 1,223Member

    I am so happy I did not buy this game, but got it through the Annual Pass. It is things like this, the huge amount of Error 37s I got about a month ago, the continual disconnects, the rubber banding, the downtime due to patches, and other issues ad nauseum that make me thank my lucky stars for having done the AP rather than buy the box.

    I feel ashamed I even played it. I have played once in the past two weeks and don't really miss the game. Unfortunately, it is also impacting my desire to play WoW since I am worried that Blizzard will add an RMAH to it too.

    Talk about game ruiners...

    Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.

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  • Pratt2112Pratt2112 Mt marion, NYPosts: 1,535Member Uncommon

    I just can't help but laugh and shake my head at how Blizzard are imposing very MMORPG grade restrictions, to a far greater degree than any other MMORPG I've ever played, in a game that is ostensibly a single player action RPG with optional online multiplayer.

    I have never been restricted to "free-trial" status in a MMORPG I have purchased a full account for, or any other game for that matter. Ever. Not even in MMOs with the most stringent anti-fraud measures in place.

    It's even more amazing that everything they're doing is a direct result of their own previous decisions. They forced the game to be "always online", even if you're playing solo, so they can "control hacking and illegal activity". So, they're already punishing all players for the activities of a relative handful by requiring an online connection, even if you are playing solo. My sister had no internet for 7 hours yesterday because of a thunderstorm that rolled through. She couldn't play Diablo 3, even though she never plays multiplayer. That's freaking ridiculous. She (and others) are being punished for Blizzard's short-sighted, self-interested decisions.

    They decide to implement a RMAH which is such a blatant money-grab I would be amazed if even those defending it don't see it. This is something that everyone knew would be a giant neon invitation sign for RMT, which have indeed swarmed to the game. And so now they're doing all the same crap they do in MMORPGs - spamming chat, etc. So what does Blizzard do in their infinite wisdom and clearly well-planned out preparations for such an event? Punish everyone yet again by implementing the kind of restrictions you'd see on a free trial account, and imposing them on all full retail accounts.

    I don't care if "it's only three days dur hur". I would guarantee that everyone defending it with that argument would have been seething if they were one of those affected by it. It's easy to justify and dismiss something when it happens to someone else. It's always different when it's happening to you. And really, the first 3 days is likely when someone who just bought the game is going to want to play it the most. So, yeah... let's restrict all new players for the actions of a relative few.

    Once again, as Jim Sterling (of jimquisition) put it, Blizzard has taken their problems and made them everyone's.

     

  • ronpackronpack North Charleston, SCPosts: 138Member

    I'm glad I never played World of Warcraft or buy Diablo 3. F*ck Blizzard!

  • V1kN1kV1kN1k AgarvePosts: 27Member
    Originally posted by Nadia
    Originally posted by DiabloLoDFan

    I don't see any slightest problem in waiting 72 hours ,  go play some F2P trash out there then ! just my opinion.

    you may feel otherwise if you had to wait 3 days for *all* online games you buy

    If steam pulled this stunt, people would be raging

       I don't really see any reason to whine about waiting 72 hours. Patience is the key to success, there are tons of other things to do meanwhile also you've still got loads of time to play Diablo 3 there is no monthly subscription. Kids today are whining about everything, and on my opinion Diablo 3 is one of the best rpg's out there, and I'm happy with it i've got around 150 hours on my wizard and 0% bored. There are things  that worth waiting for! :)

    DMC

  • KeyloggerKeylogger Bumblefuck, TNPosts: 250Member

    If Steam tried to do something like this there would be riots.

     

     

  • dellirious13dellirious13 Lancaster, PAPosts: 205Member
    Originally posted by Cinatrot

    If Steam tried to do something like this there would be riots.

     

     

    Steam doesnt need to do it, its run well and has real security measures, whereas blizz charges for security measures and they dont even work most of the time (authenticators). Steam has a system that makes you have to enter a security code that is sent to your phone or email to use your account on a different computer now (if you have it send to your phone only, its almost impossible for someone to hack your account, even if they figure out your pass).
     And that is just 1 of Steams precautionary measures.

     

    As for D3.....there is a reason I preordered Torchlight 2 :) better game, and only $20. Only reason I have D3 is because I had the WoW annual pass, and i only have that because i have sold gold in WoW for gamecards, thus havent paid for it for over 3 years. (PS that is the only reason WoW broke the sales record too. Almost 10 mill active players....im sure at least 1/3rd is renewed every month/3months/6months, and earned the free D3, and the accounts that actively redeemed the D3 reorder they did not include in the annual pass D3 in their sales numbers, because they gave D3 to all those accounts, too (my alt account for WoW got D3 and i never preordered it on that account.)

  • baphametbaphamet omaha, NEPosts: 2,836Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by syntax42 Seeing as most people who posted in this thread have already purchased and played the game, there is no reason to complain.  If you don't plan on buying another copy of the game, why bother making a fuss about it?

    i think you know the answer to that question heh

    its pretty much the same answer to most of the whining that goes on around here to be honest.

  • YizleYizle Atlanta, GAPosts: 517Member
    Originally posted by feroshus

    Who's this really gonna affect, the 5 people that don't already own D3? Blizzard always has, and always will do whatever they need to do to ensure the security of their games. This is just more pointless crying from more pointless crybabies. Newsflash...they don't care what you think! They make video games, you can play them or not play them.

    D2 had a ton of crazy problems for years after it launched, it still turned out to be an amazing gaming experience overall. Just like D3 will ; )

    You must be paid by Blizz because most of your post is complete BS.  Quite a few people do not own D3 and many who were on the ropes I am sure will look at the many constant negatives people are posting and staying away. Now the next and even larger load you spewed that Blizzard always has, and always will do whatever they need to do to ensure the security of their games means you must never have played Diablo, D2 or actually any of their games on Bnet which was constantly hacked and exploited. So while you wish to call people crybabies for pointing out underhanded business practices and the many many shortcomings of a product the rest of us with functioning braincells see you for what you are an ignorant fanboy.

     

    Also your asinine statement that companies do not care what their customers think shows how little you know about business. Again we see you for what you are.

  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,211Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Yizle
    Originally posted by feroshus

    Who's this really gonna affect, the 5 people that don't already own D3? Blizzard always has, and always will do whatever they need to do to ensure the security of their games. This is just more pointless crying from more pointless crybabies. Newsflash...they don't care what you think! They make video games, you can play them or not play them.

    D2 had a ton of crazy problems for years after it launched, it still turned out to be an amazing gaming experience overall. Just like D3 will ; )

    You must be paid by Blizz because most of your post is complete BS.  Quite a few people do not own D3 and many who were on the ropes I am sure will look at the many constant negatives people are posting and staying away. Now the next and even larger load you spewed that Blizzard always has, and always will do whatever they need to do to ensure the security of their games means you must never have played Diablo, D2 or actually any of their games on Bnet which was constantly hacked and exploited. So while you wish to call people crybabies for pointing out underhanded business practices and the many many shortcomings of a product the rest of us with functioning braincells see you for what you are an ignorant fanboy.

     

    Also your asinine statement that companies do not care what their customers think shows how little you know about business. Again we see you for what you are.

     I doubt many people who are on the fence are reading any forums.Those people have surely decided by now. Most of the future sales will be off the shelf and unaffected by this short sighted policy. It's just not a good idea.

    "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  • dellirious13dellirious13 Lancaster, PAPosts: 205Member
    Originally posted by Yizle
    Originally posted by feroshus

    Who's this really gonna affect, the 5 people that don't already own D3? Blizzard always has, and always will do whatever they need to do to ensure the security of their games. This is just more pointless crying from more pointless crybabies. Newsflash...they don't care what you think! They make video games, you can play them or not play them.

    D2 had a ton of crazy problems for years after it launched, it still turned out to be an amazing gaming experience overall. Just like D3 will ; )

    You must be paid by Blizz because most of your post is complete BS.  Quite a few people do not own D3 and many who were on the ropes I am sure will look at the many constant negatives people are posting and staying away. Now the next and even larger load you spewed that Blizzard always has, and always will do whatever they need to do to ensure the security of their games means you must never have played Diablo, D2 or actually any of their games on Bnet which was constantly hacked and exploited. So while you wish to call people crybabies for pointing out underhanded business practices and the many many shortcomings of a product the rest of us with functioning braincells see you for what you are an ignorant fanboy.

     

    Also your asinine statement that companies do not care what their customers think shows how little you know about business. Again we see you for what you are.

     

    +1 Yiz.

     

    "D2 had a ton of crazy problems for years after it launched, it still turned out to be an amazing gaming experience overall. Just like D3 will ; )"

    Ummm...firstly....D3 has been only a par gaming experience for most people so far at best, many people also have come away from it with no desire to ever play another Blizz game (including alot of blizz fanboys). The amount of people logging in everyday has decreased significantly since the first two weeks (check any of the places that log users online for games, www.xfire.com is one). Using an example: Skyrim didnt ever significantly lose players playing, and its gradual drop in players took months to even start. Skyrim was an amazing experience overall. It was innovative and interesting throughout. D2 was innovative and interesting throughout, it had NO noob-developer bugs (like lag in a single player game....not even Myth: The Fallen Lords had lag on their Bungie servers, and that was a game that came out in the 90s!). If you want other bugs that are just plain pathetic to have in a single player game (in which the dev had created an identical game 10 years ago, no less) just look on these forums and the blizz D3 forums.

    In closing, D3 has a LOOOONGGGGGGGGGGGG way to go to ever become an amazing gaming experience overall for most gamers playing it--especially with how utterly INDIE their problems have been so far (wait....not even Indie games are released after being worked on for over 6 years with this many bugs.)

  • ChrisboxChrisbox Monroe, NJPosts: 1,707Member Uncommon

    Blizzard can secure their games all they want, those games will still fail hard until they turn around and start delivering blizzard quality material again. 

    Played-Everything
    Playing-FFXIV:ARR

  • xenogiasxenogias warsaw, INPosts: 1,926Member
    Originally posted by Chrisbox

    Blizzard can secure their games all they want, those games will still fail hard until they turn around and start delivering blizzard quality material again. 

    How can they deliver "Blizzard quality" that we all used to know and love when they keep getting rid of all the talent. They shut down blizzard-north. D3 blows and its getting worse with each brilliant patch they do. WOW? God knows what highschool students they have working on that now. Blizzard is all about the dollar now. Not only that thier devs have decided to TELL you what you like, how to play it, and when to play it. Spend 5 min reading blue posts. All they do is argue with the players. Fine if they where right. But thier arguments are completely flawed and one dev has no clue what the other is doing. I specifically remember Bashiok saying that they tuned drops based on the AH and when confronted about that during the reddit Q&A they said that no one said that and it simply wasnt true.  Kinda hard to think they can develop a game properly when they cant even get thier shit togeather on what to tell the community.

  • KeyloggerKeylogger Bumblefuck, TNPosts: 250Member

    "D2 had a ton of crazy problems for years after it launched, it still turned out to be an amazing gaming experience overall. Just like D3 will ; )"

     

     

    Mostly due to the Koreans mass-zerg flooding USEast & West, but very true.

     

    $$$Vision has always been lazy with security and sever infrastructure (goes all the way back to D1 days)

     

    Were D3 anywhere near as good as D1 or D2 more people would be playing it without reguard for any problem, which is what happened in the past.

  • MikkelBMikkelB SteenwijkPosts: 240Member
    Originally posted by dellirious13 

    +1 Yiz.

     "D2 had a ton of crazy problems for years after it launched, it still turned out to be an amazing gaming experience overall. Just like D3 will ; )"

    Ummm...firstly....D3 has been only a par gaming experience for most people so far at best, many people also have come away from it with no desire to ever play another Blizz game (including alot of blizz fanboys). The amount of people logging in everyday has decreased significantly since the first two weeks (check any of the places that log users online for games, www.xfire.com is one). Using an example: Skyrim didnt ever significantly lose players playing, and its gradual drop in players took months to even start. Skyrim was an amazing experience overall. It was innovative and interesting throughout. D2 was innovative and interesting throughout, it had NO noob-developer bugs (like lag in a single player game....not even Myth: The Fallen Lords had lag on their Bungie servers, and that was a game that came out in the 90s!). If you want other bugs that are just plain pathetic to have in a single player game (in which the dev had created an identical game 10 years ago, no less) just look on these forums and the blizz D3 forums.

    In closing, D3 has a LOOOONGGGGGGGGGGGG way to go to ever become an amazing gaming experience overall for most gamers playing it--especially with how utterly INDIE their problems have been so far (wait....not even Indie games are released after being worked on for over 6 years with this many bugs.)

    Like with all action-rpg's in the style of Diablo, it doesn't take a player that long to finish all the acts. A lot of posters seem to think that every player that bought Diablo 3 was planning on finishing it on Inferno. Personally I doubt that will happen. Not because Inferno is unbalanced/hard/whatever, but because a lot of players will have seen the game after finishing Normal and perhaps Nightmare. It's just the same game, the same acts, just a bit harder. Looking at my dad and some of his friends, they aren't looking for a 'hardcore experience'. They just aren't interested in finishing Inferno. They will play till they get bored with it. I believe that the drop in activity some see on Xfire has to with this. Not saying it's a fact, but it seems more likely to me then that everyone of them thinks Diablo 3 is a bad game. Some glorify Diablo 2, but when you look at the amount of boxes sold and the amount of players playing it (technically people can play if offline though), it's just a fraction of the boxes sold.

    The comparison with Skyrim is a bit skewed too. Diablo 3 is linear, while Skyrim (with the exception of the main quest) isn't. In Skyrim you're free to progress through the game at your own pace. A single run through Skyrim will probably take the average player longer then a single run through Diablo 3. In the long run though, Diablo 3 has multiplayer and PvP going for it, so I wouldn't be surprised when Diablo 3 will show more activity in let's say three years then Skyrim.

    Saying that Skyrim was innovative is simply not true. When I compare it to Oblivion and Morrowind, I can't really say that Skyrim is so much different and innovative compared to those games. More improved, yes. More streamlined, yes. More innovative, not really so. Funny that you mention that Diablo 2 had no bugs (I've no idea what you mean with 'noob-developer' bugs), but conveniently don't mention Skyrim in this regard. Skyrim was pretty much bugged up the arse. Not as much as it's predecessors, but it had it's fair share, some even gamebreaking (backwards flying dragons ftw).

    In the end I got my money's worth from Diablo 3. Blizzard seems to be busy with improving the game. Personally I'm looking forward to what Blizzard is going to release next.

  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,211Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Cinatrot

    "D2 had a ton of crazy problems for years after it launched, it still turned out to be an amazing gaming experience overall. Just like D3 will ; )"

     

     

    Mostly due to the Koreans mass-zerg flooding USEast & West, but very true.

     

    $$$Vision has always been lazy with security and sever infrastructure (goes all the way back to D1 days)

     

    Were D3 anywhere near as good as D1 or D2 more people would be playing it without reguard for any problem, which is what happened in the past.

     In D1 days Blizzard was owned by Davidson and Associates. They had bugger all to do with Activision. Mike O'brien was lead on  the original server code for battle.net and now is president of ArenaNet. Activision's server guy back then was Dan Kegel and he's as good as they get.

    "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  • svannsvann san jose, CAPosts: 1,638Member Uncommon

    If that stops the spammers then Im all for it.

  • mmoguy43mmoguy43 , CAPosts: 2,439Member Uncommon

    There sure is a lot of fuss over this. Has anyone been negatively affected by it or is it just the possiblity of be negatively affected?

    It probably isn't the case but, if this change also ment all those people that were commiting credit card fraud would anwser for their crimes ...that would be awesome.

     

     

    Originally posted by MurlockDance

    I am so happy I did not buy this game, but got it through the Annual Pass. It is things like this, the huge amount of Error 37s I got about a month ago, the continual disconnects, the rubber banding, the downtime due to patches, and other issues ad nauseum that make me thank my lucky stars for having done the AP rather than buy the box.

    I feel ashamed I even played it. I have played once in the past two weeks and don't really miss the game. Unfortunately, it is also impacting my desire to play WoW since I am worried that Blizzard will add an RMAH to it too.

    Talk about game ruiners...

    Sorry man but you still essentially paid for D3 with the annual pass, especially if you aren't play WoW very much.

  • RoybeRoybe Star, NCPosts: 420Member

    This has been one of my major concerns about a RMAH.  The security of this has to be as legitimate as a banks in order for this to work properly.  Security needs to be extended to each players account to protect people from stealing assets ('loot'), between players for transfer purposes (in game loot and RL money), between Pay Pal/banks for money transfers, all working synchronously to at least a level of 4-6 9's (99.9999(99)) accuracy and reliability.  Blizzard is a game company with questionable security issues (at best) throughout it's game's history, it's not in the business of security.  It needs to be, and might get it right eventually.

     

    The 3 day waiting period is probably related to credit card chargebacks one of the largest forms of fraud in the e-commerce industry. (http://www.practicalecommerce.com/articles/720-Credit-Card-Fraud-How-Big-Is-The-Problem-)  Also note that most states have a contractual time limit of between 24 and 72 hours for anyone entering into a contract to change their mind known as a 'cooling off rule:  http://www.la.bbb.org/GIReport.aspx?DocumentID=72 Oh yeah....I have 2 box copies and enjoy the game but will NEVER use the RMAH, to sell or buy from. 

  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member Common

    level 13 restriction unintended

    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5911721680#1

    However, as an unintended consequence of these security measures, players who purchase the game digitally after patch 1.0.3 are temporarily being capped at level 13 and not able to proceed beyond Act I.

    We are working to correct this as soon as possible and will provide another update when we have more details to share.
     

  • Pretty sure I saw somewhere that bug had already been fixed?

  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member Common

     the original Blizz post was on 6/22  and updated later on 6/26 that patch 1.0.3a removed the level restriction

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