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Originally posted by Reizla I knew it... Now it's F2P up to level 15, and soon after (2 more months?) SWToR will be fully F2P... I do kinda feel sad for those who bought the boxes though....
2 years ago now, Ray Mazuka said something along the lines of "We have an interesting payment model in mind" I imagine EA beat them down to standard $15pm subscription over the following 2 years, but still back then F2P was earmarked as the way of the future and even though it didnt happen at launch it doesnt mean its entirely off the table.
Feel sad for me, I bought a standard pre-order from the US (cos at the time I was redzoned, another fucking disaster btw) got my early access codes & played the game wanting to really like it, found it a complete snoozefest & decided to cancell my pre-order. Ummd and Ahhd and never got around to doing it, game is still here sealed in its plastic. I have it listed on ebay at the moment but I am going to have to take a loss on the price...
Wow, this thread is full of whole new levels of hate fueled stupid, impressive even for this site. "FtP" to level 15 is "proof" the game is doing poorly? You mean like WoW and Rift *snort*. Oh, and it means the game's going full-on FtP any minute now, right? Just like WAR, which has had unlimited trial in T1 for how long now?
New content, a new race, new planet, new instances, new PvP, but, hey, let's focus on the one thing that, if you wear your tinfoil hat and squint just right, you can mold with white hot hatred into some semblance of a hint that the game may not be doing well.
Because the whole "FtP" for the first few levels is new and shocking, unheard of in the industry and not predictable at all.
MMORPG.com, where the only good game is one that hasn't been released yet.
Originally posted by Myria MMORPG.com, where the only good game is one that hasn't been released yet.
Actually, I think it was discussed yesterday that the only good game is the one that hasn't been announced yet.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
Originally posted by moreblahblah This will give all those people Bioware layed off something to do while looking for a job.
I doubt that. Most of them will avoid the game like the plague. I fully agree with those saying that "free to 15" is a way to pad the sub numbers. It may bring in a few more subs, but not enough to be worth the effort, unless you had an alterior motive, which EA has an abundance of in declining sub numbers.
Originally posted by Bombzaway Yea great idea, take an already linear very small and guided leveling experience divide it by 4 and let ppl go crazy. It takes what, 3 hours to get to lvl 15, so after a new customer gets to lvl 15 with the first toon theyll go back try another toon and...we all know the conclusion. Better idea was just make the gaem f2p at least ppl would lvl to 50 to see what all the fuss is about instead of finding out so fast.
Excuse me? 3 hrs to lvl15? Not even spacebarring thru everything is that possible. I am sorry sir but you are full of shit. Please use the toilet NOW!
Might actually free up a bit of space in your head for you to understand the concept EA/BW is working: Get players play to lvl15 for free, let them become interested what is happening next, they take the no-need-to-buy-box-just-get-a-subscription bait, look EA/BW is making a nice chunk of money even if those very same people cancel after a month.
Well, the only reason I stopped playing is my game performance consectutively got worse with each patch. So, this will allow me to see how well it plays on my current system without having to resub for a month.
Originally posted by elocke Originally posted by dead2soon And a new level cap. That seems rather ill advised.
Yeah. That one has me stumped. I just don't "get" that at all, not with the little information we have. New planets, operations and such I get. New level cap though? O.K....How does that affect class stories? Legacy system? The already overloaded action bars with even more abilities, it's becoming quite a mess to figure out where to put half my skills on certain classes if not all of them.
They stated that they raised the cap so people will be more inclined to check out the new planet. Without raising the level cap, a lot of poeple just won't bother or maybe check it out briefly and not get the full story.
Pretty much expected, given how their subscription numbers have been falling. Its too bad, as this could have been a really entertaining game. Its one of the few mmo's that I've ever played to just one month after the original month.
Teamwork: using the morons on your team as bait.
Originally posted by unclemo Originally posted by Suzie_Ford During EA's press conference at the pre-opening festivities for E3, BioWare announced that Star Wars: The Old Republic will be ripping a page out of many other failing MMOs' playbooks: Starting in July, SWTOR will be F2P through level 15. The team also noted that new warzones, high level content, new companions, and more will be coming throughout the balance of 2012.
Too little too late I'm afraid.
Yeah now they are just like the ultimate failure, 'WoW'.......
Originally posted by Zorgo Originally posted by unclemo Originally posted by Suzie_Ford During EA's press conference at the pre-opening festivities for E3, BioWare announced that Star Wars: The Old Republic will be ripping a page out of many other failing MMOs' playbooks: Starting in July, SWTOR will be F2P through level 15. The team also noted that new warzones, high level content, new companions, and more will be coming throughout the balance of 2012.
Except with almost ten million less subscribers.
Originally posted by colddog04 Originally posted by Zorgo Originally posted by unclemo Originally posted by Suzie_Ford During EA's press conference at the pre-opening festivities for E3, BioWare announced that Star Wars: The Old Republic will be ripping a page out of many other failing MMOs' playbooks: Starting in July, SWTOR will be F2P through level 15. The team also noted that new warzones, high level content, new companions, and more will be coming throughout the balance of 2012.
And 3X more than every other western mmo....
- my point was that this move isn't an indication of failure, all mmo's are employing this or similar techniques. Was it an indication of failure when WoW employed it at the apex of their domination?
Yes, SWToR is losing subs. Yes, they are adding a trial to expose more people to their game. But both the best and worst TV shows advertise. When Seinfeld advertised, was it a symbol of their failure? So when WoW advertises (thru free trial), is it a symbol of their failure? So why is it a symbol of failure when a promotional team designs a promotion for SWToR?
Not many would call Rift a failure. It employed these promotionals early and often. They exposed more people to their game and retained more. Now it is considered a success and it has far less subs than ToR.
You people are all emotion and no reason. I don't like SWToR either - but at least I'm not part of a mindless angry mob about it.
Originally posted by OldManFunk When I was your age we called these new high-fangled F2P-to-X-level "trials".
That made me chuckle *g*
I can only repeat myself. Im around 50, tried a lot of different games .. but never ever enjoyed so much and for so long time in one shot like with swtor. Impressive.
Saying this I must add that I could not care less for pvp then I currently do. And I do not care for end game. I'm altholic and with 12 alts to level to max have enough of fun without endgame. Then pandas will come or Rift expansion ... then back to swtor. Have also tried space combat but did not like in general this kind of games so all ended after 2nd try as I remember.
So i can not jude pvp or end game. Or space combat.
Originally posted by samooryesord F2p until level 15 is pointless. Takes only a few hours of playing to get to 15.. Just make the whole game f2p already!
The ONLY reason is not that you or alike you could have free launch ... ops.. free gaming, but only to TEST the game and then PAY for GOOD FOOD on plate.
wel all know this will happen soon ,nothing new nothing shoking
No EA game has yet gone a full F2P. Even Ultima Online one of the oldest MMO's on the market still has subs.
Maybe Bioware shouldn't have pissed all over their fanbase
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising everytime we fall." - Confucius
Did they fix the engine so you can actual play an PvP and is it smooth now when there are many players in one place?
A game where pvp is controlled and then you charge people to play lol. I think gamers want an open world where they can freely roam and pvp whenever they want. And there should be a couple of ways of paying to play.
Honestly, I haven't logged into SWTOR, but I felt the game would disappoint me and I lost interest before the official release.
It's just a free trial like WoW and many other games have. Using f2p is misleading.
Originally posted by Grelminar Honestly, I haven't logged into SWTOR, but I felt the game would disappoint me and I lost interest before the official release.
To be honest myself, I have not been following at all swtor before maybe few weeks before release. Had suspicion will not live to hype. Could not be more wrong. I'm happy I changed my mind at last moment. At that time have been playing for few months Rift and needed some detour. In wow have leveled all that is to be leveled up. So decided to try swtor.
But as said, i do not care for pvp and not for end game, so can not know from personal experience if there are any problems. For the rest only the best.