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Questionable sever transfer information

DariusGearDariusGear Sparks, NVPosts: 94Member

SWTOR has posted some information on the server tranfers they plan on implenting next week. http://www.swtor.com/blog/character-transfer-server-populations-and-you.   I feel that some of thier notions are cause for concern 1-1 trasfer ratio meaning one orgin serve will be matched up to one destiantion server meaning it will be highly unlikey to get your characters all on one sever without latter having to pay for it. Addtionally these severs are pre-seleted so those who re-rolled on higer population servers might find themselfs dissapointed yet again that they cant get thier characters on the server they are now on. 

These notions seem to downplay thier much "hyped" legacy system as it segergates players characters and mocks their time investment. I truly hope they reconsider thier methods. 

We go trough life with many yet there is a time we must walk our path alone.

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  • DariusGearDariusGear Sparks, NVPosts: 94Member
    Originally posted by DariusGear

    SWTOR has posted some information on the server tranfers they plan on implenting next week. http://www.swtor.com/blog/character-transfer-server-populations-and-you.   I feel that some of thier notions are cause for concern 1-1 trasfer ratio meaning one orgin serve will be matched up to one destiantion server meaning it will be highly unlikey to get your characters all on one sever without latter having to pay for it. Addtionally these severs are pre-seleted so those who re-rolled on higer population servers might find themselfs dissapointed yet again that they cant get thier characters on the server they are now on. 

    These notions seem to downplay thier much "hyped" legacy system as it segergates players characters and mocks their time investment. I truly hope they reconsider thier methods. 

    Also the form posts for this provide some minior entertainment.

    We go trough life with many yet there is a time we must walk our path alone.

  • MishakaiMishakai westminster, COPosts: 105Member

    Hmm.. First, you are incorrect about how transfers will go.  It will not be 1-1 source-destination, it will be many-one.  Multiple low pop servers given the option to xfer to a single server.

    As for people who have, against the device of the development team, already abandoned characters on a lower population server to reroll on a server that currently has more users..  Correct, there is a rather large chance that they will have to pay to move their other characters at a later point in time, simply because it is highly unlikely that any of the currently higher population servers will ever be a destination server for free transfers.  To those people, I offer them the sound of the worlds smallest violin playing my heart bleeds for you.  No sympathy for the impatient, sorry.

  • DariusGearDariusGear Sparks, NVPosts: 94Member
    Originally posted by Mishakai

    Hmm.. First, you are incorrect about how transfers will go.  It will not be 1-1 source-destination, it will be many-one.  Multiple low pop servers given the option to xfer to a single server.

    As for people who have, against the device of the development team, already abandoned characters on a lower population server to reroll on a server that currently has more users..  Correct, there is a rather large chance that they will have to pay to move their other characters at a later point in time, simply because it is highly unlikely that any of the currently higher population servers will ever be a destination server for free transfers.  To those people, I offer them the sound of the worlds smallest violin playing my heart bleeds for you.  No sympathy for the impatient, sorry.

    You are correct i misread but some people do have charcters on two or more low population severs so there is still no gurantee they can get them all on one server unfortunatly. 

    We go trough life with many yet there is a time we must walk our path alone.

  • FennrisFennris White Plains, NYPosts: 273Member

    Yes, this won't be a vehicle for merging characters/legacies on two separate servers unless you get hit by blind luck.

    To me it is funny how they aren't admitting that they are "merging servers" - they're keeping low pop ones running, even after these transfer waves hit them... it's gotta cost them $ to do that, especially since their active player count is going to be very very low...  And it's gotta be a bad situation to have new players picking one of the dead servers because they like the names. 

  • JorgeElGuapoJorgeElGuapo Oxnard, CAPosts: 41Member

    i am very interested on how the server transfers will pan out for SWTOR.

    I really enjoyed the game when it first came out but the low pop servers really killed it for me.

  • knighthammerknighthammer norwichPosts: 22Member

    " For guild members and masters, you will not be able to transfer your guild as a whole to your new server; instead you will need to reform it. If you have a guild bank, it will be re-granted to your new guild on your destination server by Customer Service


    and others may be anxious to move to a specific server to be with friends. With the restrictions of this initial service, that may not be possible. We still believe that you will enjoy playing on a higher population server and hope you'll take advantage of the service"


    From the sound of it, if you are in a guild it will be split up in the move and you dont have a decent chance of getting on the same server as your guild mates who you may have spent playing with since day 1, well that seems to suck badly

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  • EletherylEletheryl morenoPosts: 152Member
    Originally posted by JorgeElGuapo

    i am very interested on how the server transfers will pan out for SWTOR.

    I really enjoyed the game when it first came out but the low pop servers really killed it for me.

    Lot of people stop playing because of that, after the news of the merge next week, people is coming back to the game again. 

  • RyukanRyukan Mason, MIPosts: 706Member Uncommon

    Why do I get the feeling that Origin servers=getting closed down the road.

  • JorgeElGuapoJorgeElGuapo Oxnard, CAPosts: 41Member
    Originally posted by Eletheryl
    Originally posted by JorgeElGuapo

    i am very interested on how the server transfers will pan out for SWTOR.

    I really enjoyed the game when it first came out but the low pop servers really killed it for me.

    Lot of people stop playing because of that, after the news of the merge next week, people is coming back to the game again. 

     yup and I will most likely be one of those people

  • Hopscotch73Hopscotch73 DublinPosts: 971Member
    Originally posted by knighthammer

    " For guild members and masters, you will not be able to transfer your guild as a whole to your new server; instead you will need to reform it. If you have a guild bank, it will be re-granted to your new guild on your destination server by Customer Service


    and others may be anxious to move to a specific server to be with friends. With the restrictions of this initial service, that may not be possible. We still believe that you will enjoy playing on a higher population server and hope you'll take advantage of the service"


    From the sound of it, if you are in a guild it will be split up in the move and you dont have a decent chance of getting on the same server as your guild mates who you may have spent playing with since day 1, well that seems to suck badly

    It does suck that they're not offering guild transfers, but if you're all on the same server anyway, wouldn't you all have the option to move to one server only? That would make it a bit easier....but still far from ideal. I really wouldn't want to be a guild leader trying to organise a guild move, strikes me as being about as easy as herding cats. 

    I hope that's something they'll address further down the line. 

  • Trol1Trol1 Kissimmee, FLPosts: 175Member
    Originally posted by Fennris

    Yes, this won't be a vehicle for merging characters/legacies on two separate servers unless you get hit by blind luck.

    To me it is funny how they aren't admitting that they are "merging servers" - they're keeping low pop ones running, even after these transfer waves hit them... it's gotta cost them $ to do that, especially since their active player count is going to be very very low...  And it's gotta be a bad situation to have new players picking one of the dead servers because they like the names. 

    Well, I don't quite agree with the "blind luck" bit I'm sure they are - at least over time - spreading the origin-destination range.

    Which makes perfect sense as doing this without the right consideration will easily lead to high Imp pop servers which will then of course just start the next crying wave.

    Anyways, if your multiple origin servers don't share the same destination server, well, give it a bit of time! It might change... and more importantly - obviously - in the first few days everybody and their grandma will rush to transfer, which, as was said, will take time.

    Now, new players selecting low pop servers... am I wrong or did you just call gamers (in general) dumb?

    "Tehe, look, this server, like, has such a cute name, like, you know, and I'm sure Justin Bieber would, like, totally love that name, tehe, so, yeah, like, we should totally join that one... though, I don't really understand what that "light population" means... like there are no coloured people on there? Tehe"

    I mean I'm sorry but I assume that ANY gamer is mentally capable enough to make the decision whether he wants to play on a "healthy" server or on a "dying" server.

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member

    This all seems kind of sub-par to me. Unless they plan on improving it in the future in some way. For instance, allow moves from any low-pop server to any mid-pop server. Allow moves from any high-pop server to any low-pop server. Who am I kidding. They should really just allow free reign. Let anyone transfer anywhere. Possibly limit the PvE to PvP transfers, but even there, what's the big deal.

    The guild thing is kind of lame though. You should be able to move your guild to another server, with each player getting a notice when they login - they can choose to move or stay.

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  • Trol1Trol1 Kissimmee, FLPosts: 175Member
    Originally posted by knighthammer

    " For guild members and masters, you will not be able to transfer your guild as a whole to your new server; instead you will need to reform it. If you have a guild bank, it will be re-granted to your new guild on your destination server by Customer Service


    and others may be anxious to move to a specific server to be with friends. With the restrictions of this initial service, that may not be possible. We still believe that you will enjoy playing on a higher population server and hope you'll take advantage of the service"


    From the sound of it, if you are in a guild it will be split up in the move and you dont have a decent chance of getting on the same server as your guild mates who you may have spent playing with since day 1, well that seems to suck badly

    Basically, I don't think that is true, I think it's just down to the coordination of the gamers on their end.

    Obviously, we are talking all the same origin server and same destination server, so that shouldn't be a problem in the selection process.

    Now, I assume there might be warning flags coming up when due to the transfers an extreme population shift was to happen e.g. a sort of balanced server suddenly going strong on Imp.

    But, I'd assume if a) you queue all your guild's characters as early as possible and b) your guild is not destined to tip the balance i.e. pure Imp guild, 50 members, each with 8 Imp characters, that there shouldn't be a problem.

    Of course, if you have people dragging their feet, well, yeah, it may be that the destination server will be taken out of the selection range due to the new population status...

    I think it comes down to educate yourself, and then follow the "first come, first serve(re)d" system...

  • Trol1Trol1 Kissimmee, FLPosts: 175Member
    Originally posted by Ryukan

    Why do I get the feeling that Origin servers=getting closed down the road.

    Probably not closed down, rather archieved. DAoC has the same with their current public servers and their old archieved servers.

    But here is a dumb question: if due to transfers the population on an origin server were to dwindle to maybe 10 (pretty much inactive) characters, why wouldn't they close down the server?

  • Trol1Trol1 Kissimmee, FLPosts: 175Member
    Originally posted by lizardbones

    This all seems kind of sub-par to me. Unless they plan on improving it in the future in some way. For instance, allow moves from any low-pop server to any mid-pop server. Allow moves from any high-pop server to any low-pop server. Who am I kidding. They should really just allow free reign. Let anyone transfer anywhere. Possibly limit the PvE to PvP transfers, but even there, what's the big deal.

    The guild thing is kind of lame though. You should be able to move your guild to another server, with each player getting a notice when they login - they can choose to move or stay.

    I really can't believe you wrote that!

    You know what the result would be, right? Everybody flooding heavy pop servers and in turn long hours of waiting to log in due to big queues... *rolls eyes*

    And let's not forget that a fairly balanced server may suddenly extreme Rep or extreme Imp... ever considered that? Jeeez....

    To be honest, I think it's a guild leader's job to co-ordinate the mass-transfer, afterall the guild is not under BW's control but rather something that the players have created themselves. If he can't handle it, maybe it's time to get a new guild leader?

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,783Member Uncommon

    What happens if your character name on the target server is already taken?  Does that mean that character is stuck on a server that everyone else abandons?  Or can there be multiple characters on the same server with exactly the same name?

    What if you quit the game a month ago, and come back a few months from now, after the server transfers are over?  Does missing the transfer period mean that you're stuck on a now dead server forever?

    On the one hand, those sound like rather dumb questions that they've surely considered.  On the other, if they had carefully considered the situation ahead of time, trying to create a new server transfer system now wouldn't be necessary.  I get the feeling that the server transfer situation could end up being scandalously awful in ways that are amusing to people who don't play the game.

  • Moaky07Moaky07 Flushing, MIPosts: 2,096Member

    Merging servers is exactly what is needed.

     

    If it was my call, I would do away with about 55% of total servers, and go from there.

     

    All the merges are doing is correcting the mistake BW made in the first place. They never should of launched with such low thresholds for servers. If they were intending on raising caps so quickly, they never should of launched so many servers to begin with.

     

    You can give folks all the content in the MMO world, but if no one is around it wont matter....it will cause folks to leave.

     

    I look forward to seeing what effect this n the new content have on PVE subs. I feel the PVP oriented gamers are now a lost cause, but then again that is my opinion.

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  • Moaky07Moaky07 Flushing, MIPosts: 2,096Member
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    What happens if your character name on the target server is already taken?  Does that mean that character is stuck on a server that everyone else abandons?  Or can there be multiple characters on the same server with exactly the same name?

    What if you quit the game a month ago, and come back a few months from now, after the server transfers are over?  Does missing the transfer period mean that you're stuck on a now dead server forever?

    On the one hand, those sound like rather dumb questions that they've surely considered.  On the other, if they had carefully considered the situation ahead of time, trying to create a new server transfer system now wouldn't be necessary.  I get the feeling that the server transfer situation could end up being scandalously awful in ways that are amusing to people who don't play the game.

    It might cause folks issues, but if it does, I wont be one of them.

     

    I have limited my play time the last few months for a reason, but the merging figured into it as well. I was worried the Legacy stuff wouldnt transfer. What is gonna bite is if you lose your character names. Last names dont concern me so much.

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  • teakboisteakbois Parlin, NJPosts: 2,154Member

    Cliff notes version of this:

     

    They are merging servers.

    You do not get to pick your destination server.  

    If you and your friends are all on the same server, youll still be on the same server.  If you and your friends are on different servers there is no guarantee you will be placed together.

    Guilds will need to be reformed

     

     

    Its not the perfect way of doing this, but it is the standard way, just overly wordy

     

  • teakboisteakbois Parlin, NJPosts: 2,154Member

    They are right that free for all transfers is bad.  Fatman and Jedi Covenant would be unplayable.  Rift had issues because of this on wolfsbane and faeblight, and there are a lot more people in SWTOR.  

     

    Once they get it sorted out they should introduce FFA transfers, but limit it to one per character per 90 days (minimum).  People shouldnt be able to server hop endlessly, its bad for community.

  • chefdiablochefdiablo Barrie, ONPosts: 202Member

    Transfers are a much needed thing for SWTOR. Most people agree on this issue. Bioware, however has not had a great track record with client updates on a large scale basis and I am not confident this whole event will be pulled off without a hitch.

     

    Yes every company has had client related issues at some point, but Bioware just seems to find bad on top of bad every time they take on a larger project. Good news for some though, more free game time could be on the horizon.

  • Trol1Trol1 Kissimmee, FLPosts: 175Member
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    What happens if your character name on the target server is already taken?  Does that mean that character is stuck on a server that everyone else abandons?  Or can there be multiple characters on the same server with exactly the same name?

    What if you quit the game a month ago, and come back a few months from now, after the server transfers are over?  Does missing the transfer period mean that you're stuck on a now dead server forever?

    On the one hand, those sound like rather dumb questions that they've surely considered.  On the other, if they had carefully considered the situation ahead of time, trying to create a new server transfer system now wouldn't be necessary.  I get the feeling that the server transfer situation could end up being scandalously awful in ways that are amusing to people who don't play the game.

    As for the name: if your character "imadumbblonde" already exists on that server you'll be asked to rename him/her, so your "imadumblonde" could be turned into "imablondbimbo" ;-)

    Legacy names are apparently the same i.e. if available you can have it, otherwise you need to come up with a new one.

    Now, regarding characters left on low pop servers...

    Frankly, I'm not sure... this may be a question best asked CS as I would assume, based on how quick SWTOR releases a name once the character has been deleted, that BW may try to cut down on baggage (especially now with the transfers) and will say that in order for you to keep your character "alive" you need to have an active subscription at least once every 3 months. 

    If you don't stick to that your lvl50 chars with all their legacy will be deleted... could well be... because it would be a bunch of characters BW wouldn't have to transer, obviously ;-)

    But if they keep the characters, obviously there are 2 options, either to force transfer them, i.e. take your "imadumbblonde" and drop it onto the server they see as most suited, and obviously, if the name is already taken, they'll change it for you, or they simple archive the "de-funct" servers and if somebody needs to have a character from such an archived server "reactivated" and then transfered, this needs to be requested thru CS.

    But I'm sure the FAQ will say something about this... maybe ;-)

  • Trol1Trol1 Kissimmee, FLPosts: 175Member
    Originally posted by teakbois

    Cliff notes version of this:

     

    They are merging servers.

    You do not get to pick your destination server.  

    If you and your friends are all on the same server, youll still be on the same server.  If you and your friends are on different servers there is no guarantee you will be placed together.

    Guilds will need to be reformed

     

     

    Its not the perfect way of doing this, but it is the standard way, just overly wordy

     

    Errr... I think you are wrong?

    The destination server(s) will probably depend on the server situation at the given time, so it may well be that BW will try to corral you in the first round onto a certain server but nobody says you have to jump straightaway. So, in the second round, when they see which servers are now established, they may give you all of these as options... so yes, you will get to pick your server, just don't expect to have an unlimited range of destinations to pick from ;-)

    As for you and your friends on being on diffeent servers (which I find rather odd, but hey), the rules are the same, again: round 1 may give you a range where your origin servers don't share a common destination server, but then in round 2 they will... but to be honest, I couldn't really care less because obviously it was your choice not to be on the same server as your friends in the first place... *shrug*

  • KothosesKothoses GalwayPosts: 760Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by knighthammer

    " For guild members and masters, you will not be able to transfer your guild as a whole to your new server; instead you will need to reform it. If you have a guild bank, it will be re-granted to your new guild on your destination server by Customer Service


    and others may be anxious to move to a specific server to be with friends. With the restrictions of this initial service, that may not be possible. We still believe that you will enjoy playing on a higher population server and hope you'll take advantage of the service"


    From the sound of it, if you are in a guild it will be split up in the move and you dont have a decent chance of getting on the same server as your guild mates who you may have spent playing with since day 1, well that seems to suck badly

    Thats a pretty big conclusion to leap to in a single bound.

     

    If you have been playing with people on a server, you will all get to move to the same server because of the way each server will have only 1 server to move to.  You will however have to remake your guild on your new server.

     

    Atleast that is how I read it.

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  • Spartan212Spartan212 Dearborn, MIPosts: 55Member

    I'd hate to be a guild master who transfers to a new server to find that their Guild Name and Player Name has to be changed.  What a nightmare trying to re-form

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