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Originally posted by Valentina I love this game, many people still love this game. I think a lot of the "bad" comes from trolls on websites like this who will make up anything they can to bash a game. I've seen it happen to every MMO over the last 2 years. What BioWare has done with SW:TOR has pushed the genre forward in many ways, whether people want to admit it or not. The second SW:TOR was announced and what BioWare's intentions were with the game, it influenced almost every other MMO out there to put extra focus on things that had been severely lacking in this genre, such as story and personalized progression experiences in these games. One of their biggest mistakes was opening too many servers, when you do that then your population gets discouraged as it receeds due to the community being so spread out. the Mega-Servers will fix that and let's be honest this is the route they should have taken at launch, and ANY new MMO should take this approach. The quality SW:TOR delivers for an MMO is really unrivaled, and MMO players are really, really, really, really, really, REALLY harsh critics. All it takes is a handful of trolls, and then suddenly you have an endless pool of game bashing and trolling going on in each community.
MMORPG.com community is all about hate towards swtor, easy like that. In some point is like they are trying to convince themselve that they are right, when in the real world everything lead to show them how wrong they are, but they just choose to keep living in that lie. swtor is not perfect and still need a lot of work, but there is a lot of people who love and play the game, is the most successful MMO post wow, and by the end of the year we will find even a better and bigger game. The best thing to do is just quit mmorpg.com and let them keep talking about ¨how bad and fail is swtor¨.
Try to polish that turd all you want, it's still a smelly turd.
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
None of these are reason enough that I would actually continue paying for TOR.
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I've never been interested in PvP and, after years of MMOs, I could care less about playing with others.
Bioware doesn't know how to manage this title, period.
"Soloists and those who prefer small groups should never have to feel like they''re the ones getting the proverbial table scraps, as it were." - Scott Hartsman, Senior Producer, Everquest II"People love groups. Its a fallacy that people want to play solo all the time." - Scott Hartsman, Executive Producer, Rift
"It's Star Wars!"
Stopped reading there
Originally posted by ktanner3 -Server Transfers/Merges should have been ready to go by the three month mark. Any reading up on recent MMO history would tell you that a themepark game has high initial subs and then a steep drop after. Hoping that your game will be the exception(WOW) and ignore this fact is foolish. The LFG tool and Server Transfers need to happen ASAP because the people leaving now are the people who like it for what it is, but can't play for lack of people
I totally agree. I have always been a supporter of this game, but that is exactly why I left...
They should be totally devoted to getting this done if they want to hold onto the population they have left.
I can't really tell if this is serious or not because that list is just so sad.
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I'm only still playing it because there are SO MANY trolls bashing it, it's consistently the most hated game on a large number of forums so anything pissing off that many forum trolls has got to be doing something right...better to have hate than be ignored I say, had it simply faded into obscurity and been completely ignored I might have quit.
Hate is good, hate makes you strong.
Originally posted by MMOGamer71 Reasons to not play for me: 1) Game is not fun. 2) Other games do raiding way better. 3) Other games do PvP way better. 4) SWTOR not a priority with EA. 5) MWO in Beta. 6) GW2 in Beta. 7) TSW in Beta.
I remember when this kind of article and the comments it has generated would draw in supporters and believers of the game, rushing to its defense.
*looks around*....I almost feel bad for it, at this point.
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The weekly "grasping for something positive to say about SWTOR" posts are the most entertaining thing about this site.
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Originally posted by Skuz I'm only still playing it because there are SO MANY trolls bashing it, it's consistently the most hated game on a large number of forums so anything pissing off that many forum trolls has got to be doing something right...better to have hate than be ignored I say, had it simply faded into obscurity and been completely ignored I might have quit. Hate is good, hate makes you strong.
I'm very offended by how much SWTOR sucks. That is a pretty artistic reason to play a game...because it is just so bad that everyone hates it? I guess it's kind of like watching an art movie. It might be able to stimulate your emotions, but it doesn't mean that it is a good time.
Are you a Pavlovian Fish Biscuit Addict? Get Help Now!I will play no more MMORPGs until somethign good comes out!
3 - pvp is fun
err no its not, its the same crap as wow
I like SWTOR. I actually do. I am subscribed to it now and still enjoying it quite a bit. I like it for its own sake and also because nothing else out there that I've played -- not WoW, not Rift, not STO, not GW, not FE, not LotRO -- is, for me, as fun as SWTOR is at present.
But will I keep playing SWTOR for much longer? Probably not.
None of the reasons given by the OP is paricularly compelling, in my case:
(1) The Star Wars IP is nice but, trust me, at $15/month it's not that nice. I can live without it.
(2) Server transfers/free trials are not going to fix what ails this game. Going F2P and building it up as an online SPRPG is the key to success. The game needs to be set up like the orhginal Guild Wars -- as an essentially B2P single-player game with a multiplayer component, where you purchase certain items and/or expansions as they become available.
(3) PvP is not fun (for me, anyway). I never PvP in any game, so this is hardly a reason for me to stay with SWTOR.
(4) Playing with others is, well, hmmm. Probably it's SWTOR's weakest component. Getting to and grouping up with other players is an exercise in frustration that I seriously doubt this new LFG tool is going to alleviate. Bioware should just let players use 3 companions in the planetary heroics (and ultimately the flashpoints, too) and call it a day. SWTOR is becoming less MMO-ish by the day as server populations decrease.
(5) The Legacy stuff is OK, but it is no reason to continue subscribing.
As I said, I like the game, I'm enjoying it -- but keep subscribing? I dunno. Probably not for too long. Bioware has made a pretty decent online Co-Op RPG here, but they're charging a monthly subscription fee to play it.
What'll keep me playing this game is to have Bioware "wake up and smell the coffee"; they need to recognize that they have a perfectly fine online RPG, but they are (over)charging for it. They need to reduce (or cut altogether) the monthly sub fees dramatically, embrace their "inner SPRPG self", and revise and upgrade their game accordingly so it is fully functional as a SPRPG in which you can group with others if you want to and are able to.
I'm giving Bioware/SWTOR till the release of GW2 to do that; if not, then -- poof! -- I'll be outta this game, maybe for good.
I may play SWTOR again if it ever goes F2P.
Especially when you have stuff like GW2 and TSW on the horizon. Then Planetside 2 some time in the future.
Are these Dev's stupid, I love this game, (very casual player) but if u raise the level cap, it kills the previous end game content such as raids and operations, this is the correctly wrong direction.
This is going to be the nail in the coffin, and I was previously a rare supporter of this game up till
I really enjoyed my time in TOR. But that time is over. They made an mmo that ends. I would have liked to play longer, but TOR just isnt built that way, unfortunately.
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
Well then you should get back to it fast. It will either survive someway (prob. FTP) or die.
Originally posted by DannyGlover I really enjoyed my time in TOR. But that time is over. They made an mmo that ends. I would have liked to play longer, but TOR just isnt built that way, unfortunately.
this is true..i played for about 2 1/2 weeks and was near close to max lvl and started to relize it played more of like an xbox 360 game with co-op and battle ground type pvp ....then i relized wth am i doing paying 15$ a month for something soo simple and not very entertaining and not much of an mmorpg to begin with
REASON 6: You listened to the overblown hype from the game reviewing community that claimed this was the best game ever, and dumped a crapload of money into the collector's edition and a six month sub, only to find to your horror, said reviewers had not spent anywhere near enough time REVIEWING and actually found out what the game was like to live with OUTSIDE the quite good VO content. So you can either keep playing or admit you got suckered and wasted your money.
The game is only six months old, I know this, so before some of the more rabid fans come read this and fly off the handle, think about this. I'm not criticizing SWTOR as much as I'm criticizing the near-sighted people that gave this game praise such as the best MMO of the year award in the first month of game launch. How the bloody hell can "The Best MMO of the Year" go from a forecast two some odd million subscribers by six months, to subs in decline, numerous free trial weekends, staff lay offs, players begging for server mergers, game free to play to level fifteen, and last but not least, some of the same peope who said this game was the bees knees having to create a top five list on why the game is STILL WORTH PLAYING!!!??
I'm sorry to be a bell-end Mike, I really am, as I like and respect you and the rest of the people who work this site. But I just have to say that this top five list reads about as awfully as the "Crunchy Frog" skit from Monty Python. I don't think SWTOR sucks by any means, in fact as I've always stated I feel the VO content is amazing. Sadly though I feel the rest of the games features are half-assed versions of the same old crap we've had for the past eight years, making this game undeserving of the ridiculously high praise it was given. And in fact I feel this slavish adoration given by the gaming press where no one pointed out the games spots and wrinkles, has helped to kill this game faster than any determined hater ever could.
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I admit I am a huge Star Wars Fanboi but even for me, to go back to SWTOR at this point Number 1 on your list would need to be "No monthly subscription".
The game is simply not an MMO in my book, it misses the massively multiplayer part by a long shot and PvP feels like your playing from a lobby system. So to me SWTOR might as well be a single player RPG with co-op and Vs multiplayer components because that is how it feels and therefore I will not pay a monthly fee for that.
It’s Star Wars!
Free Transfers & Permanent Free Trials are Coming!
PvP is Fun*
Playing With Others
Expanding Your Legacy
I'm sorry but that is a terrible list of reasons.
You clearly have no idea what "Star Wars" is.
I've played SW:TOR, its not Star Wars.
My take on that article: I keep hoping this game will get better and I love Star Wars, I just have to stick it out and hope it gets better.
Give it up, there is nothing coming down the line with enough content to fix it. They made it for the "I want it now crowd" and they have done what they usually do, left after a few months of gameplay.