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World of Warcraft: Pandaria Rising

SBFordSBFord Associate Editor - News ManagerThe Land of AZPosts: 16,619MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon

World of Warcraft has been the undisputed king of MMOs for many years but for the first time in its history, WoW is facing competition the likes of which it has never seen. In today's WoW Factor we take a look at that and how Mists of Pandaria might make a big difference in helping WoW keep its top spot. Read on!

World of Warcraft is finally getting a very serious group of contenders in 2012. Eight years after its mighty reign, the game is about to face its toughest challenge yet from Guild Wars 2. If the hype is anything to be believed, Guild Wars 2 really does present the largest threat to WoW in the MMO space. In many ways it challenges Blizzard’s MMO model with some old and new ideas combined, these parts that have not really been major game mechanics in Warcraft. The one thing Blizzard does extremely well though is adapt new ideas into their games. They take what is best and make it smooth and polished and just downright better.

Read more of Garrett Fuller's The WoW Factor: Pandaria Rising.

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  • MontaronxMontaronx SchiedamPosts: 260Member Uncommon
    Hope it fails so hard so that the developers get a hint on how to support their player base for their next game

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  • maplestonemaplestone Ottawa, ONPosts: 3,099Member

    Is Diablo3 going to change consumer expectations?  I mean, ignoring PvP and raiding for a moment, D3 takes the concept of spending your life on a gear grind with lots of sounds and animations and perfects it.  Going back to WoW, don't players notice the sheer amount of time you spend holding the W key, waiting for something to happen, how monster fights are uniform aggro-and-grind?  In short, one main thing that makes WoW addictive is now in competition with a more addictive version of the same gameplay.  How will this competition alter WoW?  (or am I just wildly overestimating the impact in my imagination?)

  • ZagavaVonnZagavaVonn Akron, OHPosts: 250Member Uncommon

    I've never really enjoyed WoW being more an SWG player. With what I've seen of SW:TOR (cry) and TSW (I was in beta weekend) and Guild Wars 2, my expectation for Mists of Pandaria are simple:

    World of Warcraft with it's Mists of Pandaria expansion will be the supreme MMO game for at least the next decade if not longer.

    Simply put all the competition out there is so unoriginal and lacking, it's looking more and more like WoW is here for a long, long time. SW:TOR is depressing, Guild Wars 2 has fun features (much like Rift has some fun features) but I just can't see it beating World of Warcraft. Again I don't even play WoW but everything else out there is taking years and years to develop and just sucks. The only original game I've seen in the last couple of years is Minecraft, and that's not even an MMO.

    Congrats to Blizzard and World of Warcraft, your 'competition' is so lackluster you are going to stay the dominant game for years and years to come. Kudos!

  • TerranahTerranah Stockton, CAPosts: 3,605Member

    Meh...I played the original WOW and went back after each expansion, but atleast right now I don't even feel a twinge of desire to return. The panda thing does not call to me.

  • JaedorJaedor Denver, COPosts: 1,140Member Uncommon

    I'm not big on pandas at all but the new class sounds interesting. I wouldn't even consider buying the xpac if it wasn't for the new class.

  • MexorillaMexorilla Las Vegas, NVPosts: 313Member
    Originally posted by Montaronx
    Hope it fails so hard so that the developers get a hint on how to support their player base for their next game

    they've supported millions for almost 8 years.  i think they already have the hint.

  • NetspookNetspook OsloPosts: 1,503Member Uncommon

    Every single time a major MMO release is near, articles like this one pops up everywhere. And again, it's "the largest threat to WoW ", as usual.

    And every time these "largest threats" falls flat on their asses.

    Hype means little in the long run, one of the newest examples of that, is SW:ToR. It was probably at least as hyped as GW2, and we all know how that turned out.

    If I was the CEO of Blizzard, I wouldn't lose sleep over this, not a single second.

  • EvelknievelEvelknievel Ehrenfeld, PAPosts: 2,977Member

    Same here, I am not looking forward to the next expansion like I did when BC was slated to come out. It still is a great game to go to, now and then. 

    When I jumped back into WoW, Cata was already a year old when I decided to play it and I assume I will do the same with this expansion as well, unless there is something remarkable I must see.

  • MexorillaMexorilla Las Vegas, NVPosts: 313Member
    Originally posted by Netspook

    Every single time a major MMO release is near, articles like this one pops up everywhere. And again, it's "the largest threat to WoW ", as usual.

    And every time these "largest threats" falls flat on their asses.

    Hype means little in the long run, one of the newest examples of that, is SW:ToR. It was probably at least as hyped as GW2, and we all know how that turned out.

    If I was the CEO of Blizzard, I wouldn't lose sleep over this, not a single second.

    if MoP sells half as much as Cata it will still out sell gw2.

  • Xstatic912Xstatic912 New York, NYPosts: 365Member
    Three faction, doesn't suit Wow not when the conflict has always been alli vs horde..

    blizz might add three faction to there next mmo though..

    Guilds wars 2 pose no treat, just as the first guild wars.. Each game has its niche market, while yes some person will try something new but the fact guild wars 2 is free, its more than enough to keep both game accounts going.

    I for one believe that because guild wars 2 has so much hype behind it, it will attract a bigger audience yes, but there is a price, which I feel the community will be worse than the first guild wars.. I never thought any community was more whiny than wow, but swtor took that and now D3 beats them both..

    I'm looking forward to this xpac because I love wow, I might not agree with some of the design direction or whatever but its pretty solid and fun for me..
  • WickedjellyWickedjelly Yahoo, COPosts: 4,990Member
    Originally posted by aktalat

    I've never really enjoyed WoW being more an SWG player. With what I've seen of SW:TOR (cry) and TSW (I was in beta weekend) and Guild Wars 2, my expectation for Mists of Pandaria are simple:

    World of Warcraft with it's Mists of Pandaria expansion will be the supreme MMO game for at least the next decade if not longer.

    Simply put all the competition out there is so unoriginal and lacking, it's looking more and more like WoW is here for a long, long time. SW:TOR is depressing, Guild Wars 2 has fun features (much like Rift has some fun features) but I just can't see it beating World of Warcraft. Again I don't even play WoW but everything else out there is taking years and years to develop and just sucks. The only original game I've seen in the last couple of years is Minecraft, and that's not even an MMO.

    Congrats to Blizzard and World of Warcraft, your 'competition' is so lackluster you are going to stay the dominant game for years and years to come. Kudos!

     I certainly don't think either will take out WoW, but frankly TSW and GW2 both appear to be pretty different compared to the norm to me. I believe both of those games will do quite nicely in their own right. Well...assuming Funcom isn't pulling another AOC and TSW ends up being  an absolute mess further into the game. I wouldn't say either of those games is even remotely lackluster. Hard to gauge how well they will do though since we haven't seen the whole game yet of either. TSW will probably be niche with a steady retention if they are good with updates and don't fuck up the launch. GW2 is going to be a juggernaut. Whether people like it or not.

    1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

    2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

    3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  • SlampigSlampig Chantilly, VAPosts: 2,376Member Uncommon

    Personally, I am very excited for the next WoW expansion. What I have seen in the beta has me itching to play it live.

    Having said that, there are also a lot of games coming out soon that I am just as excited to play, namely The Secret World and the Game of Thrones title.

    I am not one of the MANY people on this site that blame gamings ills on Blizzard. I enjoy their titles and continue to play them but not to the exclusion of other games that pique my interest. I am willing to give any game a chance as long as I find it interesting and not just because it is not a Blizzard title.

    That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!

  • Heatsink98Heatsink98 Oklahoma City, OKPosts: 31Member

    Kill ten rats is boring.  But, wait, what if you could push 1-2-3-5-2 while looking like an asian bear? Now that's gameplay innovation, right?  If anything, I'd like the blizzard devs to wake up and advance the gameplay of their product beyond "go here click this" and fighting mobs.  Unfortunately, WoW appears to be staffed by the B-team and all the talent has either quit to work elsewhere or been shuffled to Titan.

  • theniffrigtheniffrig DublinPosts: 351Member
    Originally posted by Netspook

    Every single time a major MMO release is near, articles like this one pops up everywhere. And again, it's "the largest threat to WoW ", as usual.

    And every time these "largest threats" falls flat on their asses.

    Hype means little in the long run, one of the newest examples of that, is SW:ToR. It was probably at least as hyped as GW2, and we all know how that turned out.

    Yeah the article mentions that WoW is "finally getting a very serious group of contenders in 2012." Now, I've been watching this site for several years and every year they say that X, Y or Z game is being released and will finally finish off WoW. Every time these games have been over-hyped and their initial success falls away after the 1st month or so. I could list these "contenders" but we all know what games they were.

    WoW's Mists expansion will be very successful. Even now the initial hatred for the pandas (I know cause I didn't like the idea of them when I first read about Mists) has mostly fizzled out. Same for the pokemon pet battle system. I'm sure Blizzard will at the very least deliver a solid expansion for WoW that will indeed increase the games populations again, aleast for afew months.

  • OzmodanOzmodan Hilliard, OHPosts: 7,189Member Uncommon

    Sure like to know what game is challenging Wow, certainly don't see any current game doing it.  Guildwars II might, but beyond that game I do not see anything in the near future that will come close.  Yes, MMO players have more options, but when you get down to it, there is just nothing close to the content.  

  • JeroKaneJeroKane OsloPosts: 5,353Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Ozmodan

    Sure like to know what game is challenging Wow, certainly don't see any current game doing it.  Guildwars II might, but beyond that game I do not see anything in the near future that will come close.  Yes, MMO players have more options, but when you get down to it, there is just nothing close to the content.  

    I agree. When it comes to sheer amount of content, features and robust solid gameplay experience. Then both WoW and EQ2 blow all the competition out of the water. Sadly.

  • palulalulapalulalula vukovarPosts: 655Member

    Yes i know what can take down wow from throne--New mmo from Blizzard

  • PantheosPantheos Louisville, KYPosts: 56Member Uncommon

    WoW isn't hurting the game industry. It's not. Honest.

     

    What's hurting the game industry is companies being unable or unwilling to try something new. Nobody wants the next WoW as a gamer, if we wanted WoW we would play WoW. That's something the companies just don't seem to get at all and it's really unfortunate.

     

    I'm looking forwards to non-fantasy mmo's personally. I /was/ looking forwards to TSW but they integrated their cash shop into a subscription based mmo to much to be entertaining for me. Companies need to stop looking at past IP's and start hiring talented writers and designers who are looking to make something fresh and new.

     

    Yeah yeah I know the whole thing with no new ideas ever but there's got to be /plenty/ that are less used than high fantasy.

  • DinastyDinasty Posts: 110Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Heatsink98

    Kill ten rats is boring.  But, wait, what if you could push 1-2-3-5-2 while looking like an asian bear? Now that's gameplay innovation, right?  If anything, I'd like the blizzard devs to wake up and advance the gameplay of their product beyond "go here click this" and fighting mobs.

    Exactly!

    Same old, boring game... now with pandas. 

  • deniterdeniter LappeenrantaPosts: 806Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Mexorilla
    Originally posted by Montaronx
    Hope it fails so hard so that the developers get a hint on how to support their player base for their next game

    they've supported millions for almost 8 years.  i think they already have the hint.

    They have supported millions but those millions are different ones on each expansion. Which millions are their next target group? Looks to me it's the very same than in Cataclysm and their playerbase is collapsing. Think again.

  • MothanosMothanos ArnhemPosts: 1,860Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Montaronx
    Hope it fails so hard so that the developers get a hint on how to support their player base for their next game

     

    I can feel you are like me, a vanila player who fougt for every inch in WSG to get high ranked.

    Raided your eyeballs out on razorgore and Vael the guildbreaker.

    Farmed Gromsblood for hours on end to fund the incomming repair costs for the upcomming raid.

    Played massive world pvp battles at MC/BWL entrance for the honor of your faction.

     

    TBC was good as it held still a glimpse of achievemnt to do even a dungeon on heroic mode, nothing compared to UBRS, but still the same feeling.

    WOTLK breeded the wrath babies who became spoodfed kids who whined and whined to make wow easier.

    Cataclysm become the real world of instand craft where you dint even need to leave your city to do stuff.

    MOP the ultimate baby game for kung fu panda's and pokemon.

     

     

    Lets hope MOP fails so hard that the current developers get a instand kick right out of the office.

     

     

    And for the love of god and all that is holy bring us GW2 before MoP is released.....

  • kujiikujii san antonio, TXPosts: 190Member
    Mists is fun if you are in the three to ten age bracket.
  • SamhaelSamhael Huntsville, ALPosts: 697Member Uncommon

    I won't mind MoP if and only if I can avoid playing pandas and play the new class. Monk sounds like a "heep" of fun. 

  • RudyRaccoonRudyRaccoon SwadlincotePosts: 473Member

    Nah, I honestly believe this expansion is the worst, worse than Cataclysm and could spell the end for WoW already. The pet battles thing is a really bad idea, this is not Pokemon you know. The pandas are probably the worst idea in terms of pvp because it's just going to be pandas vs pandas now everywhere now, it's stupid. Pandas are just not cool.

  • MahavishnuMahavishnu BerlinPosts: 336Member

    Guildwars 2:

    -no monthly fee

    -cool WvWvW PvP

    -no item grind

    -interesting PvE concepts (personal story, dynamic events)

    -battleground without item-grind and without waiting cues

    -awesome combat

     

    So why pay for an expansion and pay a fee every month, if I can get a new game with much better graphics and better content and good PvP?

     

    I think GW2 will draw a lot players away from WoW. And do not forget TSW and Planetside!

    Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need.

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