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  • prizm1234prizm1234 san antonio, TXPosts: 48Member

    SWG is dead. give it a rest and stop trying to turn this game into that pile of garbage. there is a reason it is dead. let it go already. so sick of all the SWG fanboys, all 5 of them trying to force this game to be that game.

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  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by prizm1234

    SWG is dead. give it a rest and stop trying to turn this game into that pile of garbage. there is a reason it is dead. let it go already. so sick of all the SWG fanboys, all 5 of them trying to force this game to be that game.

    SWG is dead because LA did not want the game going F2P, but SOE did. It being dead was not the reason it was shut down.

    There is no need to change SWTOR to be like SWG, just bring back SWG as F2P as it deserves. Discussion of SWG in SWTOR forums will be virtually gone then.

    However SWTOR does need more stuff added (not changed) to keep people playing, even if not SWG stuff, otherwise it will soon be dead and be shut down because it does get dead.

  • XthosXthos Columbus, OHPosts: 2,628Member
    Originally posted by Rikus25
    Originally posted by Xthos

    TOR has pluses in it, if just due to it being more modern in the survey.

     

    I think the biggest problem for SoE was Lucas Arts, when you have a IP, and they have ultimate control and final say, it can be like a football team with a owner that thinks he should be the GM/Coach.  This plagued SWG, and to be honest, I would not be suprised if it doesn't hit (may have already to an extent) TOR.

     

    The problem was not Lucasarts. Lucasarts actually was pretty well hands off at first. It wasnt until the NGE that they started getting involved because of all the hate mail they were receiving. SOE basically said they needed it to be more like EQ II because they did not have the resources to maintain all the different class posibilities. They wanted to focus more on EQ II than SWG and that was SOE not Lucasarts.

    http://furiousfanboys.com/2011/12/soes-smed-feels-sorry-for-swgs-nge/

    Found this earlier today about Smedly who was a complete butthead towards the community who had a petition signed of over 250k players asking them to roll it back. In which he gave us the bird and said he knew best and it was not going to happen.

     You don't bite the hand that allows you to run a mmo for your company....LA was the reason for the CU/NGE imo, Smed ran out a bunch of cover stories, with weak backing imo....Not a lot of classes, more like EQ2....If I remember right, EQ2 has a ton of classes (I don't play it)....

    Smed was a jerk, not gonna say he wasn't, but he was a powerless jerk, because LA had final say on what went on with SWG....If you have final say, you also have first, right of refusal, etc... As much as people hate Smed/SoE, they often give LA a pass, and no quote or anything else is going to change that. LA was the boss/majority share holder for the game, when it came to decissions...I also state, I had never seen a mmo designer completely change a game, like they did at the stage it was in...You don't do that, unless you HAVE to do it...

    As for some people arguements, and taking things out of context, I prefaced what all I said earlier with what fixes I thought they needed to do...I didn't run around saying as it stood before the CU/NGE it was the best thing ever, it needed bugs fixed, some balancing, and some more content (in the direction it was made)...With the CU/NGE effort, they could of channeled that into fixing the game imo...

  • ktanner3ktanner3 lakeland, FLPosts: 4,074Member Common
    Originally posted by prizm1234

    SWG is dead. give it a rest and stop trying to turn this game into that pile of garbage. there is a reason it is dead. let it go already. so sick of all the SWG fanboys, all 5 of them trying to force this game to be that game.

    / THUMBS UP

    Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  • ignore_meignore_me Apple Valley, CAPosts: 1,987Member
    Originally posted by ktanner3
    Originally posted by prizm1234

    SWG is dead. give it a rest and stop trying to turn this game into that pile of garbage. there is a reason it is dead. let it go already. so sick of all the SWG fanboys, all 5 of them trying to force this game to be that game.

    / THUMBS UP

    Thanks for playing. We love you guys!

    Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011

  • firefly2003firefly2003 Los Angeles, CAPosts: 2,555Member
    Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

    Rage of the Wookiees expansion alone had a metric buttload of content with it.

    So claiming that SWG had no content is pure rubbish.

    It was a better game, plain and simple.

    If modernized with today's technology? It would be a major breath of fresh air to this stagnant genre.  I won't say it'd be an amazing success, but it would be in a better place 6 months in than SW:TOR is now. (assuming it was made well.)

    The base idea alone, the "soul" if you will... is far stronger a concept than Bioware's Story Machine idea. makes a better MMO, unarguable.

    I feel if SWG had the story based quests that TOR had it would had been a much more solid game, and this is coming from a guy that quit TOR after 3 months due to boredom, Story was the one thing right TOR did do, SWG was lacking in immersive questing, lots of fed ex missions, of course I can do without the voice acting, just for main arc quests, but if SWG did have those decent wrtitten missions I think SWG's PVE quest grind would of been better, but then again in SWG you could chosse if you wanted to grind on monsters for XP or do quests that was the beauty of it you had a choice, unlike TOR and the rest of the jokes of MMOs today.

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  • ZagavaVonnZagavaVonn Akron, OHPosts: 249Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Xthos
    Originally posted by aktalat
    Originally posted by mmcguire2

    SWG is the best MMO to date... pre-CU and NEG...

     

    Same for me, even with all it's problems SWG was the one game I kept going back to over and over. Outside of Ultima Online nothing really engrossed me as much, and it's one of the few games I've ever played where I actually stayed in touch with some of the people, it's like the in-game relationships were more than just hack-and-slash. It's sad the way it went, there was so much variety and content in the game, compared to SWTOR. It's like SWTOR was this great leap backwards in game design or something.

     

    Well, if you look at who designed much of SWG, it was littered with UO people, thats why I brought up design change in my post...Game was changed from what it was meant to be, when it just needed fixes and more content styled to what it was supposed to be.  I think LA had a lot to do with this not happening, I had never seen a company change a MMO so drastically before on their own.

     


    Yes parts of the CU I could understand for SWG, prior to the CU you had professions like Teras Kasai Master, Fencer, Swordsman, Pikeman, etc, and they all had one or two-hand melee attack / defense... except they all had different numbers for offense and defense. So the profession balancing was a constant pain in the neck, with nonstop nerfs and changes going on.

    Evem Raph Koster's stated comment that the economy was entirely player-run was not quite true, players created products and services, but harvestors were unable to be attacked in any way at all, whereas you could farm meatlumps all day for credits, resulting in credit farmers all over the place. I mean if you can't attack the harvestors, might as well hyperinflate the amount of currency in the game to allow you buy anything. Even I did it using Doctor buffbots, AFK loot grinding and so on.

    But then SOE went totally the opposite direction and remade SWG with a WoW-like NGE. Which still boggles my mind, I mean NOONE has successfully made a clone of WoW... noone. WoW is WoW, let them be WoW, trying to make SWG (or SWTOR or any other game) like WoW is just dumb. Did Minecraft try and make itself like WoW? Of course not, it would be stupid to even try it. That's why Minecraft was such a hit.

    Yes SWG had glitches at the beginning but all the MMO's in the late-90s / early 2000s had glitches. But you're right the changes were so drastic it was astounding. And it just left people confused and looking to try ther games at that point. Even though I never really left the game, I can certainly understand why other people did

  • FingiesFingies New Dreshdae, CAPosts: 3Member
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  • BardusBardus Cornet, ALPosts: 460Member
    Originally posted by Fingies
    Well, although many think SWG should just die off.. it won't. There's already an nge emulator that is going to put up a server. This game won't die out. It has something no other MMOs currently have and will probably never have. I will be supporting it forever. It has no reason to die. In fact, Lucas would've put another ten years on the game had they not been a company greedy for money, as each contract for the IP license is 8-10 years. SWG won't die. Pre-cu SWGEmu.com Nge ProjectSWG.com

    Imagine if any of the EMUs could give it a engine and graphics upgrade.

    I know it wont happen but just think how iroic it will be if a SWG emu became the one and only "WOW killer".

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  • JYCowboyJYCowboy Northlake, TXPosts: 660Member
    Originally posted by ktanner3
    Originally posted by prizm1234

    SWG is dead. give it a rest and stop trying to turn this game into that pile of garbage. there is a reason it is dead. let it go already. so sick of all the SWG fanboys, all 5 of them trying to force this game to be that game.

    / THUMBS UP

    OK then what game should TOR be turned into?  Apparently the game it is looses customers quicker than SWG Pre-NGE.  Oh, and you can count me as 6th "SWG fanboy".  Keep inmind you will be that TOR fanboy soon.

  • ignore_meignore_me Apple Valley, CAPosts: 1,987Member

    In killing SWG LA and Sony martyred the game. There are well deserved criticisms of SWG, but in the end (and in comparison to some of the newer games) SWG gave freedom of activity in a Star Wars universe that overcomes the downsides.

    The spirit of SWG may well come to haunt the game companies when the theme park cycle ends.

    Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011

  • BardusBardus Cornet, ALPosts: 460Member
    Originally posted by JYCowboy
    Originally posted by ktanner3
    Originally posted by prizm1234

    SWG is dead. give it a rest and stop trying to turn this game into that pile of garbage. there is a reason it is dead. let it go already. so sick of all the SWG fanboys, all 5 of them trying to force this game to be that game.

    / THUMBS UP

    OK then what game should TOR be turned into?  Apparently the game it is looses customers quicker than SWG Pre-NGE.  Oh, and you can count me as 6th "SWG fanboy".  Keep inmind you will be that TOR fanboy soon.

    Guess we need to start on the TOR wing at the old gamers home?

    JY has a good question. Since SWG is all dead but the fanboys just wont shut up trying to turn TOR into SWG, then what exactly should TOR turn into? It's obvious it's current state is failing so if sandbox features wont fix it what will?

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  • VikingGamerVikingGamer Nowhere, TXPosts: 1,347Member Uncommon

    clicked link

    clicked "here"

    "73 questions in this survey"

    Closed tab.

    I really enjoyed SWG back before NGE and CU and a part of my soul died when they shut that game down. (it had 13 live servers when it shutdown, it was far from failing.) But I don't think I have ever enjoyed any game enough to take a 73 question survey for it. pfft.

    All die, so die well.

  • ignore_meignore_me Apple Valley, CAPosts: 1,987Member
    Originally posted by VikingGamer

    clicked link

    clicked "here"

    "73 questions in this survey"

    Closed tab.

    I really enjoyed SWG back before NGE and CU and a part of my soul died when they shut that game down. (it had 13 live servers when it shutdown, it was far from failing.) But I don't think I have ever enjoyed any game enough to take a 73 question survey for it. pfft.

    seemed more like 30 at the most

    Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011

  • ktanner3ktanner3 lakeland, FLPosts: 4,074Member Common
    Originally posted by JYCowboy
    Originally posted by ktanner3
    Originally posted by prizm1234

    SWG is dead. give it a rest and stop trying to turn this game into that pile of garbage. there is a reason it is dead. let it go already. so sick of all the SWG fanboys, all 5 of them trying to force this game to be that game.

    / THUMBS UP

    OK then what game should TOR be turned into?  Apparently the game it is looses customers quicker than SWG Pre-NGE. 

    SWG wishes it had the sub numbers TOR has.

    Oh, and you can count me as 6th "SWG fanboy".  Keep inmind you will be that TOR fanboy soon.

    No I won't. If the game goes belly up, I'll move on. Sorry, but gaming just isn't something I crusade over.

    Currently Playing: Star Wars The Old Republic

  • JYCowboyJYCowboy Northlake, TXPosts: 660Member
    Originally posted by ktanner3
    Originally posted by JYCowboy
    Originally posted by ktanner3
    Originally posted by prizm1234

    SWG is dead. give it a rest and stop trying to turn this game into that pile of garbage. there is a reason it is dead. let it go already. so sick of all the SWG fanboys, all 5 of them trying to force this game to be that game.

    / THUMBS UP

    OK then what game should TOR be turned into?  Apparently the game it is looses customers quicker than SWG Pre-NGE. 

    SWG wishes it had the sub numbers TOR has.

    Oh, and you can count me as 6th "SWG fanboy".  Keep inmind you will be that TOR fanboy soon.

    No I won't. If the game goes belly up, I'll move on. Sorry, but gaming just isn't something I crusade over.

    Ah-huh.  Now Sack-Up and answer the question, Crusader.

  • superniceguysuperniceguy AnchorheadPosts: 2,278Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by ktanner3
    Originally posted by JYCowboy
    Originally posted by ktanner3
    Originally posted by prizm1234

    SWG is dead. give it a rest and stop trying to turn this game into that pile of garbage. there is a reason it is dead. let it go already. so sick of all the SWG fanboys, all 5 of them trying to force this game to be that game.

    / THUMBS UP

    OK then what game should TOR be turned into?  Apparently the game it is looses customers quicker than SWG Pre-NGE. 

    SWG wishes it had the sub numbers TOR has.

    Oh, and you can count me as 6th "SWG fanboy".  Keep inmind you will be that TOR fanboy soon.

    No I won't. If the game goes belly up, I'll move on. Sorry, but gaming just isn't something I crusade over.

    SWG did not need all those subs as there was not so many servers, and because of that, none of the servers seemed dead, not until a lot lot later

    You do seem to crusade over SWG players, and even post in the SWG forums.

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