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Diablo 3 = Fail (Lag in Single Player!)

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  • CorehavenCorehaven Colorado Springs, COPosts: 1,538Member
    Originally posted by zymurgeist
    Originally posted by Corehaven
    Originally posted by colddog04

    Apologists unite!

     

    You guys could be a little more understanding of others that are having issues getting online.

     

    This has proven to me that there will always be apologists for anything and everything.   Even when its for a game you cant even play or barely can.  Totally acceptable.  Stop complaining. 

     Well think about it. What good is complaining going to do? They're not going to change the game. They already  know it's in their interest to fix the servers. Blizzard isn't happy about their server problems. All their IT people are working overtime as it is.  It's like going on a long trip in a bus full of three year olds with toothaches. I mean you feel bad for them but you wish they would shut the hell up for a bit.


    These forums are for talking about games.  So thats what happens.  Sometimes its praise, sometimes its complaint, and a range of a dozen other things.  So this is to be more than expected.  

     

    What good does defending a game to legitimately ticked off people who are rightfully venting?   I mean its a valid complaint and then its made and people discuss the issue.   Along with the folks who feel the need to defend the game lagging out or not even being able to play it all. 

     

    A lot of mmos have better launches than this, and heck we're kind of past launch now anyways and this isnt even an mmo we're talking about here. 

  • SouldrainerSouldrainer Elmer, NJPosts: 1,857Member

    Errror 3007.  Every 15 minutes.  Depending on your router, you will constantly have this error, and the only way to remove it is to either change routers or port forward your router so that all internet security is essentially wide open, with zero protection.

    What was wrong with Diablo2's formula?  It was infinitely better than this!

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  • LeodiousLeodious Abingdon, VAPosts: 773Member

    Yea. There's not really any such thing as single player in this game. But it has a lot else going for it. It is just a ridiculous decision.

    "There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."

    — John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman

  • JakardJakard 98390, WAPosts: 415Member

    Welcome to the future of gaming. This sort of thing has to be done to stop cheating and pirating. Better get used to it.

  • LeodiousLeodious Abingdon, VAPosts: 773Member


    Originally posted by Jakard Welcome to the future of gaming. This sort of thing has to be done to stop cheating and pirating. Better get used to it.

    Except it doesn't do either of those things reliably against the sort of people who would do it anyway.

    "There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."

    — John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman

  • Panther2103Panther2103 Edmonds, WAPosts: 2,359Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Leodious

     


    Originally posted by Jakard Welcome to the future of gaming. This sort of thing has to be done to stop cheating and pirating. Better get used to it.

     

    Except it doesn't do either of those things reliably against the sort of people who would do it anyway.

    But sometimes it does prevent some people from pirating, people who don't want to go through a ton of steps to get it.

  • bezadobezado Palm Harbor, FLPosts: 1,148Member

    And I can't wait to read the headline someday about servers got hacked. D3 is a waste of space.

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  • SilokSilok Mascouche, QCPosts: 732Member
    Originally posted by monstermmo

    I remember lagging in single player in both D1 and D2.

    If you had lag in offline single player mode in D1 and D2, you must had a shitty pc.

  • SilokSilok Mascouche, QCPosts: 732Member
    Originally posted by Jakard

    Welcome to the future of gaming. This sort of thing has to be done to stop cheating and pirating. Better get used to it.

    Well that funny cause that doesnt prevent hacking and piracy...

  • VicodinTacoVicodinTaco Erie, PAPosts: 735Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Silok
    Originally posted by Jakard

    Welcome to the future of gaming. This sort of thing has to be done to stop cheating and pirating. Better get used to it.

    Well that funny cause that doesnt prevent hacking and piracy...

    o rly?

  • LeodiousLeodious Abingdon, VAPosts: 773Member


    Originally posted by loeslein
    Originally posted by Silok Originally posted by Jakard Welcome to the future of gaming. This sort of thing has to be done to stop cheating and pirating. Better get used to it.
    Well that funny cause that doesnt prevent hacking and piracy...
    o rly?

    Yes. Really. It could be argued that piracy is more prevalent in many games because once a game is cracked, in some cases it actually performs better than the official game. It is a shame that in order to get a decent product, some people feel the need to pirate games. And it isn't like it is hard to do; let's be serious.

    "There are two great powers, and they've been fighting since time began. Every advance in human life, every scrap of knowledge and wisdom and decency we have has been torn by one side from the teeth of the other. Every little increase in human freedom has been fought over ferociously between those who want us to know more and be wiser and stronger, and those who want us to obey and be humble and submit."

    — John Parry, to his son Will; "The Subtle Knife," by Phillip Pullman

  • KhinRuniteKhinRunite ManilaPosts: 879Member

    *sigh* with this much outrage against online single player, I had hoped Diablo 3 would sell poorly so Blizzard will get the message. Otherwise they'll just do it again, and worse, other companies will follow suit.

  • aesperusaesperus Hamshire, NVPosts: 5,128Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by loeslein
    Originally posted by Silok
    Originally posted by Jakard

    Welcome to the future of gaming. This sort of thing has to be done to stop cheating and pirating. Better get used to it.

    Well that funny cause that doesnt prevent hacking and piracy...

    o rly?

    Yes, really.

    There's only 2 things that can prevent hacking. 1) Keeping your product in a locked room, not connected to the internet.

    and 2) creating a product no one gives a shit about.

    Neither are particularly good for business. If something is digitally available to the public, it can be hacked. As to whether or not it will get hacked, is a matter of time, interest, and notoriety. Making claims like 'our system guaruntees this product can never get hacked!' is an almost surefire way of getting your product hacked.

    It's not getting pirated as quickly as other games, but they are implementing a lot of features consumers don't like in order to achieve this shortterm solution. I think other developers are dealing w/ the piracy issue better tbh.

  • VicodinTacoVicodinTaco Erie, PAPosts: 735Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Leodious

     


    Originally posted by loeslein

    Originally posted by Silok

    Originally posted by Jakard Welcome to the future of gaming. This sort of thing has to be done to stop cheating and pirating. Better get used to it.
    Well that funny cause that doesnt prevent hacking and piracy...
    o rly?

     

    Yes. Really. It could be argued that piracy is more prevalent in many games because once a game is cracked, in some cases it actually performs better than the official game. It is a shame that in order to get a decent product, some people feel the need to pirate games. And it isn't like it is hard to do; let's be serious.

    Oh, so there's going to be a lot of people pirating and hacking D3?  Like for example, if D3 was played by 4 million poeple how many of those copies would be hacked and playing on battle.net? 

     

     

  • SouldrainerSouldrainer Elmer, NJPosts: 1,857Member
    Originally posted by loeslein
    Originally posted by Leodious

     


    Originally posted by loeslein

    Originally posted by Silok

    Originally posted by Jakard Welcome to the future of gaming. This sort of thing has to be done to stop cheating and pirating. Better get used to it.
    Well that funny cause that doesnt prevent hacking and piracy...
    o rly?

     

    Yes. Really. It could be argued that piracy is more prevalent in many games because once a game is cracked, in some cases it actually performs better than the official game. It is a shame that in order to get a decent product, some people feel the need to pirate games. And it isn't like it is hard to do; let's be serious.

    Oh, so there's going to be a lot of people pirating and hacking D3?  Like for example, if D3 was played by 4 million poeple how many of those copies would be hacked and playing on battle.net? 

     

     

    Let's put it this way:  Nothing fires up a hacker more than the word "unhackable."  Blizzard has high defenses, but with the amount of venom, fame, and notoriety that will come from hacking, it will definitely be hacked.  I imagine hackers are just waiting for the RMT auctions and the seurity joke of Paypal too.  Just think... you can have your real life bank account robbed by a D3 hacker :)

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  • VicodinTacoVicodinTaco Erie, PAPosts: 735Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Souldrainer
    Originally posted by loeslein
    Originally posted by Leodious

     


    Originally posted by loeslein

    Originally posted by Silok

    Originally posted by Jakard Welcome to the future of gaming. This sort of thing has to be done to stop cheating and pirating. Better get used to it.
    Well that funny cause that doesnt prevent hacking and piracy...
    o rly?

     

    Yes. Really. It could be argued that piracy is more prevalent in many games because once a game is cracked, in some cases it actually performs better than the official game. It is a shame that in order to get a decent product, some people feel the need to pirate games. And it isn't like it is hard to do; let's be serious.

    Oh, so there's going to be a lot of people pirating and hacking D3?  Like for example, if D3 was played by 4 million poeple how many of those copies would be hacked and playing on battle.net? 

     

     

    Let's put it this way:  Nothing fires up a hacker more than the word "unhackable."  Blizzard has high defenses, but with the amount of venom, fame, and notoriety that will come from hacking, it will definitely be hacked.  I imagine hackers are just waiting for the RMT auctions and the seurity joke of Paypal too.  Just think... you can have your real life bank account robbed by a D3 hacker :)

    Oh man, so of the say... 4 million people that will play D3, how many people do you think will have their bank account hacked?   So it would be easier for a hacker to steal a bank account through D3 than other methods?  Such as people who use brokerage accounts on public wi-fi's?  Or people who buy porn from fly by night web sites?

  • DarkWaysDarkWays Burton, MIPosts: 31Member

    Well I think it is a bit over stated but

    Well known technical problems + Highly touted security = The Target

    I dont konw much about hacker circles but common sense tells me D3 is likely the biggest target since PS3.  

    But only time will tell.

  • Originally posted by DarkWays

    Well I think it is a bit over stated but

    Well known technical problems + Highly touted security = The Target

    I dont konw much about hacker circles but common sense tells me D3 is likely the biggest target since PS3.  

    But only time will tell.

     

    Agree.

     

    Doing a Masters of Information Security course, one of the first things you learn is no security system is unbreakable. End of story. The Insider threat is the hardest to deal with.

     

    D3 will get hacked.

     

     

  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,212Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Strap
    Originally posted by DarkWays

    Well I think it is a bit over stated but

    Well known technical problems + Highly touted security = The Target

    I dont konw much about hacker circles but common sense tells me D3 is likely the biggest target since PS3.  

    But only time will tell.

     

    Agree.

     

    Doing a Masters of Information Security course, one of the first things you learn is no security system is unbreakable. End of story. The Insider threat is the hardest to deal with.

     

    D3 will get hacked.

     

     

     Maybe but the quality of the hack matters also. Most games people refer to as hacked don't function  half right and the few that do leave out huge chunks of content. The days of just bypassing the basic CD protection are long gone.

    "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  • PhryPhry HampshirePosts: 6,295Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by zymurgeist
    Originally posted by Strap
    Originally posted by DarkWays

    Well I think it is a bit over stated but

    Well known technical problems + Highly touted security = The Target

    I dont konw much about hacker circles but common sense tells me D3 is likely the biggest target since PS3.  

    But only time will tell.

     

    Agree.

     

    Doing a Masters of Information Security course, one of the first things you learn is no security system is unbreakable. End of story. The Insider threat is the hardest to deal with.

     

    D3 will get hacked.

     

     

     Maybe but the quality of the hack matters also. Most games people refer to as hacked don't function  half right and the few that do leave out huge chunks of content. The days of just bypassing the basic CD protection are long gone.


    the only thing the hack will change is the online requirement, though a decent hacker would probably make it lan friendly too.  either way,  it might be considered a 'fix' in more than a 'few' circles.

  • Damage99Damage99 Upstate, NYPosts: 173Member Uncommon

    Forward your router ports.  Diablo 3 is awesome.

  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,212Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Phry
    Originally posted by zymurgeist
    Originally posted by Strap
    Originally posted by DarkWays

    Well I think it is a bit over stated but

    Well known technical problems + Highly touted security = The Target

    I dont konw much about hacker circles but common sense tells me D3 is likely the biggest target since PS3.  

    But only time will tell.

     

    Agree.

     

    Doing a Masters of Information Security course, one of the first things you learn is no security system is unbreakable. End of story. The Insider threat is the hardest to deal with.

     

    D3 will get hacked.

     

     

     Maybe but the quality of the hack matters also. Most games people refer to as hacked don't function  half right and the few that do leave out huge chunks of content. The days of just bypassing the basic CD protection are long gone.


    the only thing the hack will change is the online requirement, though a decent hacker would probably make it lan friendly too.  either way,  it might be considered a 'fix' in more than a 'few' circles.

     You can't just remove the online requirement though. Half of the game is on the server. The item character and save databases aren't part of the client. The dungeon generators aren't part of the client. You have to provide the missing half or the game won't play offline at all.

    "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  • CyberWizCyberWiz AntwerpPosts: 950Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by colddog04

    Apologists unite!

     

    You guys could be a little more understanding of others that are having issues getting online.

    Sure, I am the first to complain because Blizzard messed up,Blizzard must work night and day to fix all issues and have the servers run in mint condition.

    But complaining about how fail it is that the game is online only while you knew this beforehand makes little sense to me, but whatever :p

     

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  • dzoni87dzoni87 BelgradePosts: 541Member
    Originally posted by Jakard

    Welcome to the future of gaming. This sort of thing has to be done to stop cheating and pirating. Better get used to it.

    Yea. And SOPA was to stop pirating and stealing intelectual prorerty wordlwide, but forces of evil made it not to succeed.

    /sarcasm off

    Future of online gaming? If so, then we will see gaming die very soon. Sad :(

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  • MikkelBMikkelB SteenwijkPosts: 240Member
    Originally posted by zymurgeist
    Originally posted by Strap
    Originally posted by DarkWays

    Well I think it is a bit over stated but

    Well known technical problems + Highly touted security = The Target

    I dont konw much about hacker circles but common sense tells me D3 is likely the biggest target since PS3.  

    But only time will tell.

     Agree.

    Doing a Masters of Information Security course, one of the first things you learn is no security system is unbreakable. End of story. The Insider threat is the hardest to deal with.

    D3 will get hacked.

     Maybe but the quality of the hack matters also. Most games people refer to as hacked don't function  half right and the few that do leave out huge chunks of content. The days of just bypassing the basic CD protection are long gone.

    Agreed. I don't doubt there will be some private server that emulate Diablo 3. Like most emulations, it will not be on par with the real deal. If someone finds that tolerable, more power to them. Unless they pirate it of course, I can't condone that.

    Now in a reaction to Strap, I'm nearly done with my studies, focussing on Information Security too. That said, no one here is doubting that the security of Diablo 3 is perfect. However, concerning the RMAH, Blizzard has the obligation (if they want to succeed with the RMAH though) to make their environment as secure as possible. They're of the opinion (same with me on this) that using the MMO model is the best way to achieve this.

    This is done by placing the crucial data on their servers, while the rest is on our client. It's highly unlikely that some hacker is getting unlimited access to their servers by the use of a SQL-injection or something similar to that. I haven't heard nor read anything concerning databases of WoW being comprimised. So why would this suddenly happen to Diablo 3? The way Diablo 3 is setup, is more secure for us players, with the nasty side effect that you can't play offline or over the LAN. For some this is a no-deal situation, I can't care less, if it prevents the duping, maphacking and other crap that went on in Diablo 2.

    I agree though that the biggest security threat comes from the inside. Not much you can do about that though. I'm sure that as someone who is doing a Master course in Information Security you don't need me to tell you about the fact that you can limit the possibility of the inside threat and some ways of dealing with this, but that you can never factor it out.

    In conclusion, yes, no security is unbreakable. Yes, Diablo 3 will be cracked and there will be emulations, on private servers (I'm looking forward to see people bitching on the uptime of those). We will probably see some exploits too. I can say this though, the possibility of Blizzard's servers being compromised are pretty small. People's accounts will be hacked though, most people are bloody ignorant about information security. Nothing to do about that, but you already know this, it's probably the second thing you learned in your Master course of Information Security. It was in mine image

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