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  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,215Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by zymurgeist
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    Once again, metacritic has no impact on the sales of a game.

    Who cares? The people  has spoken, Diablo 3 is no good.

     I'm pretty sure the people who work at and invest in Vivendi SA and subsidiaries care.

    Well I am not one of them. Diablo 3 shows that Blizzard has lost its touch.

     The sales figures, already over 3 million copies without a console crutch, say otherwise. Analysts expect over 5 million copies to be sold in the second quarter 2012.

    Hey while we're all getting buried in the D3 anti-hype has anyone tried Max Payne 3?

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  • VirgoThreeVirgoThree Tarzana, CAPosts: 1,220Member
    Originally posted by dontadow

    My question is what is going on with "paid" publication reviews. I remember when an average score in a game magazine was 5, about right. But I now rarely see scores below 7 and i see far too many 8 and more.  Sure u got to cypher throuhg user reviews but u get a less advertising dollar influenced opinion.

    Score inflation has been going on for a while, and I believe it is a mixture of paid reviews (not accusing all of this) and the gaming community adjusting to the inflated scores.

    The community has accepted these inflated scores and now see anything below a 7 as a "bad" game and simply trash it or pass it up. What I'd like to see is more sites just using a 5 star system. 5 stars usually avoids this whole inflation issue and achieves the same goal as a 10 pt system. It's much more digestable for the community to see 3 out of 5 as average, 4 out of 5 as good, and 5 out of 5 as outstanding.

  • JazqaJazqa MPosts: 465Member

    Diablo III worse than Dragon Age II.. 

    Metacritic user scores accurate.

    Yepyep.

     

    Let's take a look at FPS games now... MW 8,6 and MW3  2.2. Pretty much the same game. Not much difference, but still the other one has four times better score.

    Big Rigs 4.1 score which is higher than Diablo 3.

     

    No one rates the games as a game nowadays. Nobody rates the damn content and the gameplay experience. The reasons to rate games low are:

    DRM, Cash Shop, high price, too different from the earlier games of the series (omg it's not the same series anymore), exactly the same as earlier games of the series (omg its just the same game but with new looks), game tried to appeal to masses went casual and ruined the series. Nobody gives a shit how good is the actual game. Most people just rate it before they have even played it.

    Popular mainstream games with some kind of DRM or high sales price always gets rated down because of haters.

    Indie games with cheap price tags and no DRM gets high user scores because they have close to 0 haters.

  • GarkanGarkan BirminghamPosts: 552Member

    The other interesting phenomenon with Metacritic is how it is a "useful and valuable resource" for the people that are polarised  against a game or dev yet a few weeks later it becomes "useless and full of nerd rage" when the same person is polarised the other way.

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  • AvsRock21AvsRock21 Denver, COPosts: 256Member

      It's threads like this that make me glad I didn't play Diablo 1 or 2.  I'm finding Diablo 3 to be a fine game.  And from what friends have told me, PvP in Diablo 2 sucked, and was full of cheaters anyway.  I'm certain the PvP in D3 will blow D2's PvP out of the water.  That being said, the playstyle of the Diablo games in general is very simple minded.  I can't see how these types of games could captivate anyone's attention for very long.

  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Webster, MAPosts: 4,813Member
    Originally posted by zymurgeist
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by zymurgeist
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    Once again, metacritic has no impact on the sales of a game.

    Who cares? The people  has spoken, Diablo 3 is no good.

     I'm pretty sure the people who work at and invest in Vivendi SA and subsidiaries care.

    Well I am not one of them. Diablo 3 shows that Blizzard has lost its touch.

     The sales figures, already over 3 million copies without a console crutch, say otherwise. Analysts expect over 5 million copies to be sold in the second quarter 2012.

    Hey while we're all getting buried in the D3 anti-hype has anyone tried Max Payne 3?


    Please don't throw that "3 million without console crutch" out there when they have a 1.4 million crutch instead lol. They gave away 1.4 million copies of the game.

    Yes, people that were going to play WoW anyways got a free copy of D3 with the annual pass. If people weren't interested in playing WoW prior to the offer then they have some serious issues if they did the annual pass to get Diablo 3 lol.

     

    So ... congrats... the sales figures say they sold slightly more copies than they gave away.

     

    And Max Payne 3 is pretty sweet. Not the greatest game ever but it's paced about right for the feel of the game and the story is pretty good. Looks good as well. 8/10 imho (So far).

  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöPosts: 18,041Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79


    Please don't throw that "3 million without console crutch" out there when they have a 1.4 million crutch instead lol. They gave away 1.4 million copies of the game.

    Yes, people that were going to play WoW anyways got a free copy of D3 with the annual pass. If people weren't interested in playing WoW prior to the offer then they have some serious issues if they did the annual pass to get Diablo 3 lol.

    So ... congrats... the sales figures say they sold slightly more copies than they gave away.

    And Max Payne 3 is pretty sweet. Not the greatest game ever but it's paced about right for the feel of the game and the story is pretty good. Looks good as well. 8/10 imho.

    You do raise an interesting point. But at least some of those players would have bought D3 anyways so not counting all of them aren't fair either...

    Not sure how we should count this really, because surely some people just wanted a year more in Wow as well. I don't think you could count it fairly either way.

  • teakboisteakbois Parlin, NJPosts: 2,154Member
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    Once again, metacritic has no impact on the sales of a game.

    Who cares? The people  has spoken, Diablo 3 is no good.

    There was a thread here this afternoon with a poll by a poster on the fence about buying it.  The poll showed that 80% of people that have actually bought Diablo III like it.  The people have spoken.  Diablo 3 is good.

  • terrantterrant Virginia Beach, VAPosts: 1,683Member
    Originally posted by teakbois
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    Once again, metacritic has no impact on the sales of a game.

    Who cares? The people  has spoken, Diablo 3 is no good.

    There was a thread here this afternoon with a poll by a poster on the fence about buying it.  The poll showed that 80% of people that have actually bought Diablo III like it.  The people have spoken.  Diablo 3 is good.

    It shows that 80% of the people that happened to stumble across that one poll and felt like answering it liked the game. Nothing more. Don't take even a few thousand votes here as indicative of the whole.

     

    On the other end of the spectrum, I tend to be leary of major negative votes on metacritic. Look, Mass Effect 3 was a GREAT game ruined by the last 15 minutes or so. the backlash from that caused people to downvote it. EDIT: And no, not entirely undeservedly. Just saying that the game will be forever remembered for a small (if integral) part of it.

     

  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Webster, MAPosts: 4,813Member
    Originally posted by teakbois
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    Once again, metacritic has no impact on the sales of a game.

    Who cares? The people  has spoken, Diablo 3 is no good.

    There was a thread here this afternoon with a poll by a poster on the fence about buying it.  The poll showed that 80% of people that have actually bought Diablo III like it.  The people have spoken.  Diablo 3 is good.

    The poll you are reffering to was spilt about dead even. But that doesn't matter. If you like the game then ignore what the majority is saying about the game.

    It's a Blizzard game from an IP with a large fanbase they game away about a million and a half copies and still barely broke the 3mil mark. They gave away about the same number of copies as they sold. We are talking about not only a Blizzard game but a Diablo game so the 1 1/2 million copies sold isn't very impressive.

    The reaction around the net has been pretty abysmal. Most simply didn't like the game and the reasons were wide and varried.

    What does this mean for those that like and enjoy Diablo 3?

    Nothing.

    It's a single player game with multi play. If you like the game then you really shouldn't care if the rest of us like it or not. If Blizzard made D3 unplayable because they didn't make as much as they thought they would it would be corporate suicide so I wouldn't worry about that, it was there choice to make the game online only so they are kind of stuck maintaning the servers even if it isn't overly profitable.

     

  • teakboisteakbois Parlin, NJPosts: 2,154Member
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79
    Originally posted by teakbois
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    Once again, metacritic has no impact on the sales of a game.

    Who cares? The people  has spoken, Diablo 3 is no good.

    There was a thread here this afternoon with a poll by a poster on the fence about buying it.  The poll showed that 80% of people that have actually bought Diablo III like it.  The people have spoken.  Diablo 3 is good.

    The poll you are reffering to was spilt about dead even. But that doesn't matter. If you like the game then ignore what the majority is saying about the game.

     

     

    No, the dead even split was on if someone bought it or not.  The people that did buy it, 80% of them liked it.

     

    The point is, the low metacritic score is almost definitely padded by people that didnt buy the game.  If you didnt buy the game you can't make a fair rating (and this includes playing the beta)

  • fundayzfundayz Chatown, ONPosts: 463Member
    Originally posted by AvsRock21

    That being said, the playstyle of the Diablo games in general is very simple minded.  I can't see how these types of games could captivate anyone's attention for very long.

    Diablo 2 was only simple minded on the surface. Half the game was being able to plan and build a class such that it could withstand Nightmare itself. In Diablo 3 this planning ahead does not seem necessary.

  • teakboisteakbois Parlin, NJPosts: 2,154Member
    Originally posted by terrant
    Originally posted by teakbois
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    Once again, metacritic has no impact on the sales of a game.

    Who cares? The people  has spoken, Diablo 3 is no good.

    There was a thread here this afternoon with a poll by a poster on the fence about buying it.  The poll showed that 80% of people that have actually bought Diablo III like it.  The people have spoken.  Diablo 3 is good.

    It shows that 80% of the people that happened to stumble across that one poll and felt like answering it liked the game. Nothing more. Don't take even a few thousand votes here as indicative of the whole.

     

    a few thousand votes is a very big sample size

  • terrantterrant Virginia Beach, VAPosts: 1,683Member
    Originally posted by teakbois
    Originally posted by terrant
    Originally posted by teakbois
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    Once again, metacritic has no impact on the sales of a game.

    Who cares? The people  has spoken, Diablo 3 is no good.

    There was a thread here this afternoon with a poll by a poster on the fence about buying it.  The poll showed that 80% of people that have actually bought Diablo III like it.  The people have spoken.  Diablo 3 is good.

    It shows that 80% of the people that happened to stumble across that one poll and felt like answering it liked the game. Nothing more. Don't take even a few thousand votes here as indicative of the whole.

     

    a few thousand votes is a very big sample size

    Of millions of purchases? On a forum where people have a tendency to mass blam or promote specific products?

     

    Not really.

     

    I'm not saying it's right or wrong. Personally I dislike the game because of certain design decisions, but feel overall it is fairly well made. I'm jsut saying for every forum poll that shows 80% of players loving it, I bet you can find one just as big saying the opposite.

     

     

  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Webster, MAPosts: 4,813Member
    Originally posted by teakbois
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79
    Originally posted by teakbois
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by FrodoFragins

    Once again, metacritic has no impact on the sales of a game.

    Who cares? The people  has spoken, Diablo 3 is no good.

    There was a thread here this afternoon with a poll by a poster on the fence about buying it.  The poll showed that 80% of people that have actually bought Diablo III like it.  The people have spoken.  Diablo 3 is good.

    The poll you are reffering to was spilt about dead even. But that doesn't matter. If you like the game then ignore what the majority is saying about the game.

     

     

    No, the dead even split was on if someone bought it or not.  The people that did buy it, 80% of them liked it.

     

    The point is, the low metacritic score is almost definitely padded by people that didnt buy the game.  If you didnt buy the game you can't make a fair rating (and this includes playing the beta)

    So if someone bought the game and liked it their vote counts, but if they didn't like the game and decided not to buy it their vote doesn't count. Now if you didn't buy the game but liked it would your vote still count?

    We need to clear this up, it use to be as long as you played the game at least a decent amount you had the right to review it.

    Now it's a requirement that you must buy a game you don't like in order to give a review on it?

    Awsome, talk about padding lol.

    So wait.... does that mean there is a group of 1.4million people that own the game but not allowed to review it because technically they didn't buy it?

     

  • teakboisteakbois Parlin, NJPosts: 2,154Member
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79

    We need to clear this up, it use to be as long as you played the game at least a decent amount you had the right to review it.

     

    Unless you got a free copy somehow, the only way you would have played the game long enough to be able to form a fair review is by bying the game.  AFAIK the beta was capped at a very low level (13?) so no, just playing the beta doesnt count.

     

    And the wow annual pass people bought the game, its part of the package.

  • cutthecrapcutthecrap nobusinessofyoursPosts: 600Member
    Originally posted by GrayGhost79

    So if someone bought the game and liked it their vote counts, but if they didn't like the game and decided not to

    buy it their vote doesn't count. Now if you didn't buy the game but liked it would your vote still count?

    We need to clear this up, it use to be as long as you played the game at least a decent amount you had the right to review it.

    Now it's a requirement that you must buy a game you don't like in order to give a review on it?

    Awsome, talk about padding lol.

    So wait.... does that mean there is a group of 1.4million people that own the game but not allowed to review it because technically they didn't buy it?

     

    What it looks like he's saying is that metacritic ratings shouldn't just be taken as gospel and for what's representative for the whole of the playerbase. As should be obvious when people put some thought and comparative scrutiny to metacritic user ratings.

  • LuciferIAmLuciferIAm Waupun, WIPosts: 93Member Uncommon

    IMo all reviewes ar ecompletely null until you have  alevel 60 character with hell completed, beating normal or nightmare just doesn't' count.

  • dubyahitedubyahite Lincoln, NEPosts: 2,483Member

    Oh and not to beat a dead horse here, but I think you should change your title to:: "I agree with the 4chan users who review bomb metacritic and amazon"

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  • LawlmonsterLawlmonster Dallas, TXPosts: 954Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by LuciferIAm

    IMo all reviewes ar ecompletely null until you have  alevel 60 character with hell completed, beating normal or nightmare just doesn't' count.

    lolwat

     

    You realize that most professional reviewers within the industry aren't capable of finishing everything they play and write about, much less on multiple difficulties?

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  • stragen001stragen001 ReadingPosts: 1,720Member

    Metacritic usually manages to level itself out to an accurate score. 

    All the 0/10 Nerdrage reviews because the couldnt log in at midnight, ARE valid reviews. If Bliz wanted to avoid this, they shouldnt have made it online only, or should have made more stable servers. 

    These are also balanced out nicely by all the 10/10 fanboy reviews having a nerdgasm because the got to play

    Then the rest of them are actually "real" reviews

    It all balances out in the end......

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  • stragen001stragen001 ReadingPosts: 1,720Member
    Originally posted by Yamota
    Originally posted by Anubisan

    Metacritic is the biggest joke on the internet. Half of all user reviews should be dismissed out of hand because they are massively biased one way or the other and either give games a 0 or a 10. As a result, no one should take those reviews seriously.

    And my God... are there any released games that people on this site actually DO like!? Seriously you guys... it seems like the only activity many of you genuinely enjoy is trashing games on internet forums. It's sad...

    I like TERA and Leauge of Legends.

    I DONT like TERA, or League of Legends.

    See it, all balances out in the end.....

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  • niceguy3978niceguy3978 Gainesville, FLPosts: 2,000Member
    Originally posted by Fadedbomb

    Just wanted to point this out after someone in another thread stated Metacritic wasn't a reliable source:

     

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo  [8.3]

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    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-ii  [8.5]

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    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii  [3.6]

     

    Pretty much my thoughts entirely.

     

    Oh, and just for a bit of reference for those of you looking for stronger data =):

     

    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/dragon-age-ii  [4.2]

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    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/dead-island  [6.8]

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    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3  [3.9]

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    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-2  [8.5]

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    http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect  [8.4]

     

     

    I'm having a hard time finding one "User Rating" I don't disagree with other than Dead Island that I believe should have been a 5.8 instead of a 6.8, but that's because I'm a BIT more critical about zombie based games than others in its genre ;)!

     

     

    Don't worry about any of this If YOU enjoy the game at the end of the day. However, just realize that after everything is said and done Diablo 3 was not the game it should have been. For the fans :|....

    I tend to agree, Diablo III's 87 is pretty accurate.

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