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  • JabasJabas Caldas da RainhaPosts: 1,207Member Common
    Originally posted by p_c_sousa

    who cares if a game have cash shop. is a shop that turn game a P2W game? no....so i dont see any problem. in fact i like this kind of shop, give more money to company invest in game to make it better in future.

     

    oO

     

    Its more like: Give more money to company using cash shop so they "improve" the cash shop after they realize cash shop is a sucess.

     

    No way im going to give money to a company so they make a better game. Make a good game and THEN i give them some money.

    In TERA case, they diserve the month fee, but i dont agree with cash shop in p2p game, no matter what game is. (unless little services like name change and server transfer).

  • VesaviusVesavius BristolPosts: 7,641Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by rexzshadow
    Originally posted by Vesavius

    Expansion packs are usually a collection of interlinked playable content, delivering challanges, new systems, social adventures, and actual play.

    Cash shops are usually just selling the reward, without the need to play.

    Being a gamer and not a shopper in MMORPGs I tend to go for the former.

    Expect other game have expansion and cash shop, case and point WoW.

     

    There really is no 'except' to it... the fact that some games have Xpacks and Malls has nothing to do with why I prefer Xpacks to cash shops.

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,453Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Vesavius
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by Vesavius
    Exactly.etc....

    But "again" there's very little evidence that these extra items would be in the game if it wasn't for these cash shops.

    Wasn't in EQ, EQ II, Lord of the Rings, Lineage 2, Age of Conan, Vangaurd, Ryzom, and any number of games that were released.

     

    This is kind of a vague argument to make Sov... :/

    Why does that line of thinking even matter?

    The fact is that it is in game rewards gated off from the player unless they pay extra money. In a sub game that just isn't acceptable to me.

    As ever, Play to Achieve > Pay to Achieve.

    GW2 is playing it the smartest... they let me fully play to achieve while letting the other guy pay pay pay.

     

    I think it's important to note that I'm not dismissive of these concerns.

    You want to see nerd rage (quietly and internally that is)?

    You and me go to the movies and see me squirm with abject hate when the car commercials start rolling across the big screen.

    One could easily say "ignore it - you don't have to buy the Lexus as it  tunes the 552 horsepower V10 engine of the LFA with the precision of a musical instrument. Discover what else is possible at WWW. etc etc.

    But the reality is that many people dont' mind, car companies want to advertise and they have a captured audience and movie theaters want to make more money.

    Game companies need to make more money. They just do. Heck, look at Curt Schilling's company, he wanted to make a more EQ like mmo, realized that mmo's need a lot of money to make, even released a single player game just to get an influx of cash and his company defaulted on a million dollar loan and things look a bit grim.

    Let's not even talk about the "we need more sandbox games because those will make bank" arguments. Or the "we need soemthing totally different" arguments.

    For better or worse game companies need more money and $15 per month isn't cutting it. It's been proven that cash shops work. And of course there's the horror of the whole f2p + cash shop model that lets people play for free while a smaller group foot the bill.

    There is a whole generation of players who don't view these games with the sacrosanct attitudes that many on the forums show.

    So people can (and should) stand by their principles and not play these games if they cross that line or come to terms that a happy medium is going to have to be reached.

    So the time is now. Because I don't see the argument that "these things should be in game" really carrying any weight other than that's what people are clinging to. I get it. But that's not the reality at present.

     

  • TeekayTeekay londonPosts: 94Member

    Warcraft is not a game to base what is acceptable in other games on.

    You should probably try and stay as far away as possible from anything WoW does if you're trying to say your game is any good.

     

    What WoW did right was have a great advertising campaign and enter at a great lull in the market and sustain that advertising through out their existance.

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,644Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Teekay

    Mythic is a company, it's aim is to make money, let's not be naieve about this. The way they made money was via subs and via expansions. Those expansions did indeed provide you with new more powerful items and yes they made you more competative.

    I see you add expansion there. You have rationalized that they are okay.

    • An expansion is content not available for the sub fee.
    • An expansion is made by diverting resources that your fifteen bucks paid for to create content to sell back to you.
    • Expansion content is only available to those who bought the expansion and often not otherwise available to those who did not.

    Where's the difference other than one is a package and the other is individual items. Wait... the difference is that expansions often are the definition of pay-to-win.

    The only argument that you have presented is that you have rationalized that expansions are okay, supporting it with the irrational statement that they aren't bad because they are bigger than individual purchases.

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
    "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,453Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Zadawn
    Originally posted by p_c_sousa

    who cares if a game have cash shop. is a shop that turn game a P2W game? no....so i dont see any problem. in fact i like this kind of shop, give more money to company invest in game to make it better in future.

     

    The major problem is that once they get a taste of it and see it works,it is more likely they will add more,and then more.Sooner or later it will turn into a pay to win shop just like everyone one of them out there.

    I can't say that's not impossible. It really will be a tug of war for a while.

  • VhalnVhaln Chicago, ILPosts: 3,159Member

     

    I really like the weapon model variations, but it makes me wonder why that variety isn't in the game already.  Just seems like they're shooting themselves in the foot, charging $9.99 for things that would make the game better, if they were actually in the game for everyone.  That sort of variety is exactly what Tera desperately needs, and I'd bet they lose a lot more subs for not having it, than the cash shop sales can make up for.

     

    When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,644Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Vhaln

     

    I really like the weapon model variations, but it makes me wonder why that variety isn't in the game already.  Just seems like they're shooting themselves in the foot, charging $9.99 for things that would make the game better, if they were actually in the game for everyone.  That sort of variety is exactly what Tera desperately needs, and I'd bet they lose a lot more subs for not having it, than the cash shop sales can make up for.

    I found the price a bit up there, as well, but it is all going to come down to how well they sell. If they sell well then it's obviously something players want and, more importantly, want at that price.

     

    Your point about adding more variety into the game (as opposed to the cash shop) is a very valid one, though. As this is version of TERA is being sold to the NA/EU audience, this kind of customization could possibly be a great selling point for the game if it was an existing part of the game and not a premium item. It seems like a better approach would have been to add a set of standard skins to the game and then put over-the-top premium stuff in the store.

     

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
    "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre

  • RenoakuRenoaku Posts: 1,005Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by Vhaln

     

    I really like the weapon model variations, but it makes me wonder why that variety isn't in the game already.  Just seems like they're shooting themselves in the foot, charging $9.99 for things that would make the game better, if they were actually in the game for everyone.  That sort of variety is exactly what Tera desperately needs, and I'd bet they lose a lot more subs for not having it, than the cash shop sales can make up for.

    I found the price a bit up there, as well, but it is all going to come down to how well they sell. If they sell well then it's obviously something players want and, more importantly, want at that price.

     

    Your point about adding more variety into the game (as opposed to the cash shop) is a very valid one, though. As this is version of TERA is being sold to the NA/EU audience, this kind of customization could possibly be a great selling point for the game if it was an existing part of the game and not a premium item. It seems like a better approach would have been to add a set of standard skins to the game and then put over-the-top premium stuff in the store.

     

    The reason I believe Vanity wasn't in the game already is in fact it is in the game already, and it always was, the only thing is that they wanted to Nickel and Dime people. I have no problem purchasing Expansions or additional vanity items, however I should be able to change my hairs , skins, and any detail about my character in game for free without having to pay $9.99 for it each and every single time.

    When I logged into Tera I notice there was no update either which kinda makes me wonder why the developers had it there already and then decide to tell everyone today about it.

    I am pissed and Cancel my sub that is all there is to it I will not stick around in a game with a dishonest company, and I hope a lot of others do at least enough to put a dent in their pockets, and by dishonest I was lead to believe by GameStop I would have access to full customizations, and that I believed that I would be able to customize later down the road without having to constantly pay cash to do it. By dishonest I was lead to believe it would be Pay 2 Play, not Pay Extra to enjoy or Pay 2 Win. Unlike Diablo 3, and Guild Wars which have announced about a cash shop Enmasse did not.

  • rexzshadowrexzshadow stockton, CAPosts: 1,428Member
    Originally posted by Renoaku
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by Vhaln

     

    I really like the weapon model variations, but it makes me wonder why that variety isn't in the game already.  Just seems like they're shooting themselves in the foot, charging $9.99 for things that would make the game better, if they were actually in the game for everyone.  That sort of variety is exactly what Tera desperately needs, and I'd bet they lose a lot more subs for not having it, than the cash shop sales can make up for.

    I found the price a bit up there, as well, but it is all going to come down to how well they sell. If they sell well then it's obviously something players want and, more importantly, want at that price.

     

    Your point about adding more variety into the game (as opposed to the cash shop) is a very valid one, though. As this is version of TERA is being sold to the NA/EU audience, this kind of customization could possibly be a great selling point for the game if it was an existing part of the game and not a premium item. It seems like a better approach would have been to add a set of standard skins to the game and then put over-the-top premium stuff in the store.

     

    The reason I believe Vanity wasn't in the game already is in fact it is in the game already, and it always was, the only thing is that they wanted to Nickel and Dime people. I have no problem purchasing Expansions or additional vanity items, however I should be able to change my hairs , skins, and any detail about my character in game for free without having to pay $9.99 for it each and every single time.

    When I logged into Tera I notice there was no update either which kinda makes me wonder why the developers had it there already and then decide to tell everyone today about it.

    I am pissed and Cancel my sub that is all there is to it I will not stick around in a game with a dishonest company, and I hope a lot of others do at least enough to put a dent in their pockets, and by dishonest I was lead to believe by GameStop I would have access to full customizations, and that I believed that I would be able to customize later down the road without having to constantly pay cash to do it. By dishonest I was lead to believe it would be Pay 2 Play, not Pay Extra to enjoy or Pay 2 Win. Unlike Diablo 3, and Guild Wars which have announced about a cash shop Enmasse did not.

    Thats gamestop's fault for lying to you not EME, no where did EME ever stat that you will be able to recustomize your character after you made it. You had access to full customization wh en you made your character. Also it was on the new that premiun store is up if you bother to read and its on the launcher as well.

    mmm where the fuck you been? Pretty much most P2P game all offer almost the exact same service for roughly the same price, also KTera also has a cash shop and EME already said they were going to deal with launch first than cash shop. No where did they EVER state that there will be no cash shop. Company isn't dishonest, you just didn't bother to do any research.

    Also why would you need update for cash shop? Those skin have already been in the game since day 1, the other service such as name change/look change/race change are already part of the game in character creation, why would you ever need a update for that?

  • BeenGamingBeenGaming los angeles, CAPosts: 44Member
    Originally posted by Vesavius
    Originally posted by BeenGaming

    I am confused as to how a cash shop that offers items that are clearly poor investments and provide no advantage to gameplay is an issue. If you feel like frivolously spending some money on whatever fictional goods they're selling, so be it. If you're not interested in that, then don't.

    You would need the willpower of a three year old for this to feel threatening to you in some way. Christ only knows how you manage to contain yourself near a checkout line.

     

    The truth is many don't. Impulse buying works for a reason, which ofc is exactly whay they stack crap near checkouts.

    You seem to assume that everyone out there has the same decision making capabilities or psychological make up as you, and if they don't... screw 'em? Who needs to look out for the vulnerable anyhow, I'm doing just fine, right?

    That attitude could also be examined I guess... it could be said to show signs of low level autism or be indicative of sociopathic tendencies.

    I am not saying you are either of these things, I don't know you, but see how easy it would be to make harsh observations of others?

     

    My personal view is that box+sub+expacks+cash shop is over a line and just smacks of greed and is looking to exploit the vulnerable and addicted.

     

    You seem to have misinterpreted my post's deliberate intent doubly by first overlooking the fact that I candidly accept that some people simply desire the goods and pay for them regardless of how frivolous they are (which is their right as a consumer), and then furthermore by interpreting my comment about weak-willed consumerism as being generally damning of people who like to impulse shop.

     

    You seem to have made the enormous leap to supplanting some of your own reactionary personality into my otherwise fairly benign post. While I couldn't say how much cross-over there is between sociopathy and the autistic spectrum (which as of yet is a generally grey area everywhere except on the internet), I would think that your inability to read a short opinion of another person without leaping to the not so subtle nor original mention of autism is perhaps indicative of your terminally boring personality.

     

    Also you're smugly accusing a business of greed (despite the fact that no arms are being twisted) which becomes considerably less endearing after you grow up.

  • otacuotacu BolzanoPosts: 547Member

    It's not a issue as of now.

     

    In K-Tera they have a kinda p2w cash shop where you can buy cosmetic items and get rewarded with t-cat coins.

    And with t-cat coins you buy nice gameplay advantages.

    As long as they don't bring the t-cat coins here to the West it's fine.

  • NevulusNevulus Miami Beach, FLPosts: 1,288Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Renoaku

    The reason I believe Vanity wasn't in the game already is in fact it is in the game already, and it always was, the only thing is that they wanted to Nickel and Dime people. I have no problem purchasing Expansions or additional vanity items, however I should be able to change my hairs , skins, and any detail about my character in game for free without having to pay $9.99 for it each and every single time.

    When I logged into Tera I notice there was no update either which kinda makes me wonder why the developers had it there already and then decide to tell everyone today about it.

    I am pissed and Cancel my sub that is all there is to it I will not stick around in a game with a dishonest company, and I hope a lot of others do at least enough to put a dent in their pockets, and by dishonest I was lead to believe by GameStop I would have access to full customizations, and that I believed that I would be able to customize later down the road without having to constantly pay cash to do it. By dishonest I was lead to believe it would be Pay 2 Play, not Pay Extra to enjoy or Pay 2 Win. Unlike Diablo 3, and Guild Wars which have announced about a cash shop Enmasse did not.

    1) They did announce plans for a cash shop, early on. Be more thorough with your own research before blaming others.

    2) Gamestop led you to believe that, not En Masse. You believed Gamestop, that was your fatal flaw. Be more thorough with your own research before blaming others.

  • PivotelitePivotelite Hamilton, ONPosts: 2,167Member

    If you look at the weapon skins, they are all goofy, KTERA has even more like stuffed bears and giant wrenches.

     

    I am going to have to say I agree with Savroth as these probably would have never been in the game without a cash shop, they don't follow the regular designs of any other weapons, they are just gimmicky, awful looking weapons.

     

    That being said, why do you blame EME? It has been and always will be the playerbase, I've already seen a bunch of people in game with this disgusting looking skins, look how many millions WoW makes whenever they release a mount?

     

    What company would be stupid enough not to put cosmetics in a shop at this point especially considering reading the general discussion in TERA there's more people defending it than against it. It's the day and age of consumerism and people will pay for anything that's thrown in their face.

     

    It can't be helped and it will only get worse, GW2 will make a killing off their cash shop, just like WoW makes tons off theirs and TERA is making a lot off theirs right now, Aion went f2p with shop and is making more as well. There really is no way to stop this sadly.

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  • rexzshadowrexzshadow stockton, CAPosts: 1,428Member
    Originally posted by otacu

    It's not a issue as of now.

     

    In K-Tera they have a kinda p2w cash shop where you can buy cosmetic items and get rewarded with t-cat coins.

    And with t-cat coins you buy nice gameplay advantages.

    As long as they don't bring the t-cat coins here to the West it's fine.

    Not really P2W in Korea but if they were in the NA verison it would be. Because only thing that could be consider P2W is the auto rez and prevent crystal from breaking. In Korea they still boxes to reroll unless crystal to useful ones so crystal is much easier to get thus its more convience than P2W where in NA its super hard to get good crystal. And Koreans don't OWPVP much so auto rez scroll won't really matter that much anways. Crystal protection in NA? its meh kinda bad but its no like the point ot make people run but Auto res? If they put that in I'm forming a mob outside EME HQ with pitch fork and torches.

  • RenoakuRenoaku Posts: 1,005Member Uncommon

    http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion

    And so the Moderator starts to lock like Dozens of multiple topics related to the same issue except one, I wonder if they finally get the message that quite a few of us are unhappy with the CashShop or at least certain parts of it.

  • Mike_LMike_L AalborgPosts: 71Member

    I paid for the game and I REALLY feel f*cked over by this En Masse shop. There's NO CHANCE in hell I'm going from my trial to recurring.

    I might even charge back my money. Stuff like this really pisses me off.

    If it ain't dead you're not pressing 2 hard enough.

  • PivotelitePivotelite Hamilton, ONPosts: 2,167Member
    Originally posted by Mike_L

    I paid for the game and I REALLY feel f*cked over by this En Masse shop. There's NO CHANCE in hell I'm going from my trial to recurring.

    I might even charge back my money. Stuff like this really pisses me off.

    Actually if you read the TERMS OF SERVICE when you signed up, who does that?

     

    You would have known they stated they would be implementing a novelty shop before you purchased anything.

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  • RenoakuRenoaku Posts: 1,005Member Uncommon

    Well GameStop or not Enmasse is responsible for the advertising of their game, and I was told the game had high customization even when reading their forums, never did Enmasse actually confirm to me that they would be sticking in a cash shop, I asked them they never said anything.

    Even if that could not be complained about I find that there was no official announcement about a Vanity Shop telling me that I would have to pay $9.99 USD per character change, and in their agreement it says something like you agree to the use of the Manual, not that I agree by using the Key which activated my game account so Enmasse really needs to learn how to write an agreement before they send out their retail package.

    Anyways quite a few people are angry at Enmasse for the Cash Shop, I just want to be able to freely customize my character without having to constantly pay for each and every single change, and if they can't do it then I am going to find valid reasons and do some research to complain to the BBB & such, and really at this point I am not playing the game anyways so why would I care if they ban my account for complaining it would just show the player base how bad this company really is with management.

    Instead of Enmasse just sticking in Vanity shop items they should have asked the community what they wanted first for the major changes like require $9.99 USD fee to customize a character that is a major change, or requirement which is a key feature of the game.

    Also the funny thing is I was enver presented a Terms OF Service, I was given a manual that said by using this game I agree to the Manual, not the games Terms OF Service, and I will use that as a LoopHole when I file my complaints they need to get their wording correctly.

     

    It says, and I quote

    "Your Use of this manual is governed by the Tera End User License Agreement (EULA) located at http://tera.enmasse.com Your use of this manual constitues your acceptance to the terms of the EULA."

    ( So from what I understand my use of the manual, not the key I used to activate my game was bound to the agreement, I also did go to that website and I saw no agreement they didn't tell me i had to click some other links to get to it, so therefore they are in the wrong.)

    Therefore I never actually agreed to anything period the most they can do is ban my account, however I will make it clear when I file my complaints that I was never presented an agreement or agreed to anything they have no valid signature ;).

    Maybe I am just dumb and don't understand their agreement but its their job to make sure the user or buyer can fully read and understand the agreement clearly.

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,453Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Renoaku

    http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion

    And so the Moderator starts to lock like Dozens of multiple topics related to the same issue except one, I wonder if they finally get the message that quite a few of us are unhappy with the CashShop or at least certain parts of it.

    It doesn't really matter it's a small minority.

    Please read the article. This is somewhat similair to what Turbine discovered with DDO and later LOTRO:

    I'll post it again thanks to Loktofeit:

    http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/33371/GDC_2011_Perfecting_The_FreeToPlay_Battlefield_Heroes.php

  • rexzshadowrexzshadow stockton, CAPosts: 1,428Member
    Originally posted by Renoaku

    http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion

    And so the Moderator starts to lock like Dozens of multiple topics related to the same issue except one, I wonder if they finally get the message that quite a few of us are unhappy with the CashShop or at least certain parts of it.

    If you bother reading most of the post are people who support the premiun shops, and if yo look at the thread that was a petition to remove it has more -1 thand +1 posts.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,197Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Sovrath
    Originally posted by Renoaku

    http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion

    And so the Moderator starts to lock like Dozens of multiple topics related to the same issue except one, I wonder if they finally get the message that quite a few of us are unhappy with the CashShop or at least certain parts of it.

    It doesn't really matter it's a small minority.

    Please read the article. This is somewhat similair to what Turbine discovered with DDO and later LOTRO:

    I'll post it again thanks to Loktofeit:

    http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/33371/GDC_2011_Perfecting_The_FreeToPlay_Battlefield_Heroes.php

    Turbine totally gutted their game with the cash shop.  It's a horrible example of how to run a cash shop game.  Better examples would be Aion, STO, Lineage 2, and even EQ2 is a better cash shop game now.   Turbine went for the short term cash grab, but it hasn't increased their popularity past that initial curiosity phase.  Now that the "Freemium" honeymoon is over it's just a lingerer.

    I don't know if this cash shop will be good or bad for the Tera, but I can't see the interest in a cash shop game with a required subscription.  Games with cash shop do have their mechanics balanced around that.  It just seems like double dipping to me.  Same with TSW really.  Looks like a cool game, but the double dip is more than it's worth.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,197Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Wakygreek
    Originally posted by Otakun

    P2P + cash shop = rip off. Whether it's P2W or not. 

     Sorry cannot agree with you here, not sure why a cash shop that is not P2W is a rip off, it is your choice to purchase the item and it in no way gives anyone an advantage. More games are going this route for some additional income, I think its a great idea as long as it doesn't go p2w.

    Think through it a bit.  Really really think through it.  Pay 2 Win is just a bullshit propaganda slogan.  It doesn't matter what they sell.  It matters that what they once would have put in the game they are now selling it for extra.

    So you're paying a sub for content in a p2p service oriented game where they're not providing you the full service for the sub.  They've totally devalued your subscription.  Now you have to pay more for the full game.  It's a gouge really.

    I pay $8.34/mo for RIFT and I get the whole damn game for that and account services at no extra charge.  I also play some F2P games and spend money on those too. But a sub + a cash shop?  It makes no sense.

  • dllddlld GöteborgPosts: 541Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Loktofeit
    Originally posted by Teekay

    Mythic is a company, it's aim is to make money, let's not be naieve about this. The way they made money was via subs and via expansions. Those expansions did indeed provide you with new more powerful items and yes they made you more competative.

    I see you add expansion there. You have rationalized that they are okay.

    • An expansion is content not available for the sub fee.
    • An expansion is made by diverting resources that your fifteen bucks paid for to create content to sell back to you.
    • Expansion content is only available to those who bought the expansion and often not otherwise available to those who did not.

    Where's the difference other than one is a package and the other is individual items. Wait... the difference is that expansions often are the definition of pay-to-win.

    The only argument that you have presented is that you have rationalized that expansions are okay, supporting it with the irrational statement that they aren't bad because they are bigger than individual purchases.

    The difference lies in the sheer amount of content per dollar in an xpack (usually) compared to a seperate cash shop item, if we take wow for example a sparkly pony mount costs 25 dollars.. while an expack costs 40 which contains over 10 mounts a slew of pets not to mention the increased lvl cap new dungeons raids yadayada but even on mounts alone it beats it by far in terms of value per currency.

  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 19,987Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Renoaku

    Well GameStop or not Enmasse is responsible for the advertising of their game, and I was told the game had high customization even when reading their forums, never did Enmasse actually confirm to me that they would be sticking in a cash shop, I asked them they never said anything.

    Even if that could not be complained about I find that there was no official announcement about a Vanity Shop telling me that I would have to pay $9.99 USD per character change, and in their agreement it says something like you agree to the use of the Manual, not that I agree by using the Key which activated my game account so Enmasse really needs to learn how to write an agreement before they send out their retail package.

    Anyways quite a few people are angry at Enmasse for the Cash Shop, I just want to be able to freely customize my character without having to constantly pay for each and every single change, and if they can't do it then I am going to find valid reasons and do some research to complain to the BBB & such, and really at this point I am not playing the game anyways so why would I care if they ban my account for complaining it would just show the player base how bad this company really is with management.

    Instead of Enmasse just sticking in Vanity shop items they should have asked the community what they wanted first for the major changes like require $9.99 USD fee to customize a character that is a major change, or requirement which is a key feature of the game.

    Also the funny thing is I was enver presented a Terms OF Service, I was given a manual that said by using this game I agree to the Manual, not the games Terms OF Service, and I will use that as a LoopHole when I file my complaints they need to get their wording correctly.

     

    It says, and I quote

    "Your Use of this manual is governed by the Tera End User License Agreement (EULA) located at http://tera.enmasse.com Your use of this manual constitues your acceptance to the terms of the EULA."

    ( So from what I understand my use of the manual, not the key I used to activate my game was bound to the agreement, I also did go to that website and I saw no agreement they didn't tell me i had to click some other links to get to it, so therefore they are in the wrong.)

    Therefore I never actually agreed to anything period the most they can do is ban my account, however I will make it clear when I file my complaints that I was never presented an agreement or agreed to anything they have no valid signature ;).

    Maybe I am just dumb and don't understand their agreement but its their job to make sure the user or buyer can fully read and understand the agreement clearly.

    Careful, you're awfully close to the truth here, or at least this is how your coming off with all of this mock outrage over something so slight.

    Let it go, this is a video game, and your complaint is insignifcant.  There are more important causes in the world worth fighting for, this isn't one of them.

     

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