I know what many people mean. Just the other day ..living in Florida I went to Disney World. I paid full price to enter the park but I'll be damned if they didnt charge me for all the food and beverages as well as a pair of Mickey Mouse ears and a Pluto keychain. Pay to play at Disney World and Cash shop. Bullshit!!
Never been to Disney World, so I'll just assume regular themepark situation here...
You just paid an entrance fee that is equivalent to purchasing the box copy of a game. You didn't subscribe to a Disney World membership. Also food and beverages aren't really fluff or optional because you will get hungry and thirsty while there and they don't allow you to bring your own food (or do they?). Souvenir items are fluff though.
If I was way off on Disney World rules forget what I said above.
Usually when a person is subscribed to a membership it's all inclusive of amenities and services. That's how it used to work even in MMOs. Times have changed and I also dislike it, but it's here now so all I can do is deal with it. I can choose not to support a P2P game with a cash shop.
Sorry cannot agree with you here, not sure why a cash shop that is not P2W is a rip off, it is your choice to purchase the item and it in no way gives anyone an advantage. More games are going this route for some additional income, I think its a great idea as long as it doesn't go p2w.
Either you're one of the people who buy everything in these cash shops, or you're just a ignorant fool. First off, you buy the game, already giving them money. Then you have to pay them monthly. THEN they add a cash shop for items / fluff stuff that should be in game already. Honestly, think about it. You are paying for a game, and they aren't giving you the chance to get these items in game. Do you see the problem yet? This is like the Capcom on-disc DLC problem. They have all this content ready, but rather than offer it the players who are keeping the game going, they would rather choose to make you pay more money.
Thank WoWs success with this system for it's introduction in MMOs nowadays.
Sorry cannot agree with you here, not sure why a cash shop that is not P2W is a rip off, it is your choice to purchase the item and it in no way gives anyone an advantage. More games are going this route for some additional income, I think its a great idea as long as it doesn't go p2w.
Either you're one of the people who buy everything in these cash shops, or you're just a ignorant fool. First off, you buy the game, already giving them money. Then you have to pay them monthly. THEN they add a cash shop for items / fluff stuff that should be in game already. Honestly, think about it. You are paying for a game, and they aren't giving you the chance to get these items in game. Do you see the problem yet? This is like the Capcom on-disc DLC problem. They have all this content ready, but rather than offer it the players who are keeping the game going, they would rather choose to make you pay more money.
Well put! I believe even anything in GW2 cash shop is also available in game if I'm not mistaken.
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Sorry cannot agree with you here, not sure why a cash shop that is not P2W is a rip off, it is your choice to purchase the item and it in no way gives anyone an advantage. More games are going this route for some additional income, I think its a great idea as long as it doesn't go p2w.
Either you're one of the people who buy everything in these cash shops, or you're just a ignorant fool. First off, you buy the game, already giving them money. Then you have to pay them monthly. THEN they add a cash shop for items / fluff stuff that should be in game already. Honestly, think about it. You are paying for a game, and they aren't giving you the chance to get these items in game. Do you see the problem yet? This is like the Capcom on-disc DLC problem. They have all this content ready, but rather than offer it the players who are keeping the game going, they would rather choose to make you pay more money.
Ok, first of all don't go insulting the guy and also don't go pushing your beliefs down people's throats.
Do you have cable? Well, there was a time when cable promised limited commercials and more content. Well, I can safely say that has changed. "Well I pay for it and I don't want to pay to be advertised to". Well, you and me both. But guess what? Turn on the cable channels and you see commercials. Heck, go to the movies and you will see actual commercials. That have nothing to do with movies.
Going forward you are going to be very hard pressed to find mmo's, and I suspect other games, that don't have some sort of cash shop.
Would I prefer to just pay one monthly fee and have done with it? Sure. But that's not really what's happening now is it? So who exactly is the ignorant fool? The person who has kept up wiht the times or the person who is holding onto what used to be but is now no longer?
As far as the "should be there" that is arguable.
If there was no avenue for dlc or fluff items or whatever then it's very possible they wouldn't bother with anything in the first place. I don't really recall a plethora of additional items in Lineage 2 or Lord of the Rings when the games were just a sub.
if they can make money off of it they will. So if this is your line in the sand then I think it's time to cross it.
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Love how everyone throwing a fit over these thing, same things WoW has for years, race change, server change, faction change. Yet when Tera have it everyone throws a fit like its never happened before.
Oh, there was lots of fit throwing over those things when they were introduced in wow. Not only that, but when they opened the cs with the sparkle pony? Holy Sh*t! Forget Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, it was more like Hell hath no fury like a cs hater. It was nuts.
I can see that but you think people be used to it by now? After many P2P game offer roughly the same thing peopel are stil throwing a fit over it?
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Well put! I believe even anything in GW2 cash shop is also available in game if I'm not mistaken.
Not inv space or character slots, some of the idk boxes? or keys or whatever that give drop is obtainable through game.
Also cash shops are always ripoffs. Making games is just another business, so if they game is making money by p2p then they make the game better so you keep playing and your get your friends to play. If it's cash shopped based they work to annoy you to the point you buy the pretty clothes, instead of wearing the rags the game let you loot, or till you buy the xp or gold bouns instead of spending the days grinding.
I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.
Also cash shops are always ripoffs. Making games is just another business, so if they game is making money by p2p then they make the game better so you keep playing and your get your friends to play. If it's cash shopped based they work to annoy you to the point you buy the pretty clothes, instead of wearing the rags the game let you loot, or till you buy the xp or gold bouns instead of spending the days grinding.
Well first of all, all those premuin service are offered by most other P2P games, second the skin so far is limited sale only so we don't even know what they are selling. Third the in game gear doesn't look like RAGS they all look great, the skin simply make your weapon look like a different weapon. Aka warrior get 2 axe skin and lancer get a long sword instead of lance. And there never be exp or gold bonus unless they go F2P.
Also cash shops are always ripoffs. Making games is just another business, so if they game is making money by p2p then they make the game better so you keep playing and your get your friends to play. If it's cash shopped based they work to annoy you to the point you buy the pretty clothes, instead of wearing the rags the game let you loot, or till you buy the xp or gold bouns instead of spending the days grinding.
This game let's us wear more than rags, the armor is godly. The stuff in the cash shop isn't even that nice(looks half assed to me), it's just different I guess, wouldn't even spend $5 for any of it let alone $10 when you've got amazing stuff in game already, no weapon pictures but here's examples of armor...
Sorry cannot agree with you here, not sure why a cash shop that is not P2W is a rip off, it is your choice to purchase the item and it in no way gives anyone an advantage. More games are going this route for some additional income, I think its a great idea as long as it doesn't go p2w.
Either you're one of the people who buy everything in these cash shops, or you're just a ignorant fool. First off, you buy the game, already giving them money. Then you have to pay them monthly. THEN they add a cash shop for items / fluff stuff that should be in game already. Honestly, think about it. You are paying for a game, and they aren't giving you the chance to get these items in game. Do you see the problem yet? This is like the Capcom on-disc DLC problem. They have all this content ready, but rather than offer it the players who are keeping the game going, they would rather choose to make you pay more money.
Well put! I believe even anything in GW2 cash shop is also available in game if I'm not mistaken.
Wait untill they start selling skills in the GW2 cash shop....
Anyway...its just costumes, which are no diffrent than deco pets. If it supports making the game better people should care so long as they dont cross any lines and start adding enhancment/consumables or other pay per advantage items.
Its a rip off lucky for you its 100% optional. Mabey buy them off a friend with in game gold if you need them in game so badly.
Also cash shops are always ripoffs. Making games is just another business, so if they game is making money by p2p then they make the game better so you keep playing and your get your friends to play. If it's cash shopped based they work to annoy you to the point you buy the pretty clothes, instead of wearing the rags the game let you loot, or till you buy the xp or gold bouns instead of spending the days grinding.
This game let's us wear more than rags, the armor is godly. The stuff in the cash shop isn't even that nice(looks half assed to me), it's just different I guess, wouldn't even spend $5 for any of it let alone $10 when you've got amazing stuff in game already, no weapon pictures but here's examples of armor...
Weapons are just as good.
So your saying, they will see that the junk in the cash shop isn't selling and the next round of armor and weapons will look stupid to get you buy the skins from the cash shop?
I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.
Also cash shops are always ripoffs. Making games is just another business, so if they game is making money by p2p then they make the game better so you keep playing and your get your friends to play. If it's cash shopped based they work to annoy you to the point you buy the pretty clothes, instead of wearing the rags the game let you loot, or till you buy the xp or gold bouns instead of spending the days grinding.
Well first of all, all those premuin service are offered by most other P2P games, second the skin so far is limited sale only so we don't even know what they are selling. Third the in game gear doesn't look like RAGS they all look great, the skin simply make your weapon look like a different weapon. Aka warrior get 2 axe skin and lancer get a long sword instead of lance. And there never be exp or gold bonus unless they go F2P.
I think people are upset more because it is a sub based game and they are providing an item that should be in game.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Also cash shops are always ripoffs. Making games is just another business, so if they game is making money by p2p then they make the game better so you keep playing and your get your friends to play. If it's cash shopped based they work to annoy you to the point you buy the pretty clothes, instead of wearing the rags the game let you loot, or till you buy the xp or gold bouns instead of spending the days grinding.
Well first of all, all those premuin service are offered by most other P2P games, second the skin so far is limited sale only so we don't even know what they are selling. Third the in game gear doesn't look like RAGS they all look great, the skin simply make your weapon look like a different weapon. Aka warrior get 2 axe skin and lancer get a long sword instead of lance. And there never be exp or gold bonus unless they go F2P.
I think people are upset more because it is a sub based game and they are providing an item that should be in game.
^^^ This
If this was F2P or B2P, then I would understand it. But to charge 10-15 bucks a month and then withhold content from players is a money grab and will ALWAYS be a money grab. And, imo, this practice will lead to better looking weapons and armor being available for cash while a lower quality of weapons and armor will be available in game.
If not, then there would be no incentive for using the cash shop and the shop would be pointless.
"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days those are now the only two states youll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2
I never post on forums, just like to read and see how gamers are changing for the worse. All I have to say is, WHO EFFING CARES ABOUT THE CASH SHOP!! You dont have to buy it!! How hard is that to understand?? You gain literaly NOTHING besides a SKIN!!! This is why mmo's suck now. This new "Generation" of cry baby gamers are ruining every mmo that comes out becasue they can never be satisfied! Dont like the cash shop, then dont effin play, that simple. "OMG Tera has a cash shop, I better take it to the forums anc cry and tell everyone that I quit becaues of a effin cash shop". Ya thats what you ass hats sound like!
Those who pre-ordered will get a set of cosmetic skins that noone else will have (for now). Basically that's a set of skins noone will have but those who got the game early.
Then you have those skins mentioned in that page. They don't look that special compared to what is already in the game. However, there is the potential to expand it with much more items, but that would mean exclusive development for the cash shop. Too risky imo right now.
You also have NPCs in all major cities selling skins, assuming you don't like the looks of your weapon.
In any case, I'm still quite happy with the look of the gear. It might change in the future of course, but I doubt it.
This "cash shop" is the mildest thing you could find in a P2P game. It is nowhere near the ballpark of GW2 that some people mentioned, where Anet is expecting it to be a major monetisation avenue. And of course, it is very mild compared to TSW, which seems to be adopting a LOTRO style approach on cosmetic gear, only with a subscription model. In any case, it is hilarious to see people crying wolf over Tera's "shop", in comparison they should be crying gonzilla towards the other games mentioned in this thread.
Personally i find most of those skin pretty horrible lol. Aside from the lancer one (which i brought coz its too awsome, i finally get my damn sword/shield, I love sword/shield so when tank in Tera was lancer iw as pretty disappointed but now i can poke people with my long sword even though swinging is is much more effective but i'm too cool for that. Also now i can pretend to be slayer with shield =D most broken class ever if it exsited.) warrior and sorc one is decent but honsetly all the other one looks so bad lol. The dragons/gold (whatever they are called) ones look much better.
I have nothing against it as long as it is for skins only. Off course when they start selling items that give your character some sort of boost then I will be furious and be gone from TERA sonner than the first posts about it appear on this forum.
I am confused as to how a cash shop that offers items that are clearly poor investments and provide no advantage to gameplay is an issue. If you feel like frivolously spending some money on whatever fictional goods they're selling, so be it. If you're not interested in that, then don't.
You would need the willpower of a three year old for this to feel threatening to you in some way. Christ only knows how you manage to contain yourself near a checkout line.
I am confused as to how a cash shop that offers items that are clearly poor investments and provide no advantage to gameplay is an issue. If you feel like frivolously spending some money on whatever fictional goods they're selling, so be it. If you're not interested in that, then don't.
You would need the willpower of a three year old for this to feel threatening to you in some way. Christ only knows how you manage to contain yourself near a checkout line.
The truth is many don't. Impulse buying works for a reason, which ofc is exactly whay they stack crap near checkouts.
You seem to assume that everyone out there has the same decision making capabilities or psychological make up as you, and if they don't... screw 'em? Who needs to look out for the vulnerable anyhow, I'm doing just fine, right?
That attitude could also be examined I guess... it could be said to show signs of low level autism or be indicative of sociopathic tendencies.
I am not saying you are either of these things, I don't know you, but see how easy it would be to make harsh observations of others?
My personal view is that box+sub+expacks+cash shop is over a line and just smacks of greed and is looking to exploit the vulnerable and addicted.
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Never been to Disney World, so I'll just assume regular themepark situation here...
You just paid an entrance fee that is equivalent to purchasing the box copy of a game. You didn't subscribe to a Disney World membership. Also food and beverages aren't really fluff or optional because you will get hungry and thirsty while there and they don't allow you to bring your own food (or do they?). Souvenir items are fluff though.
If I was way off on Disney World rules forget what I said above.
Usually when a person is subscribed to a membership it's all inclusive of amenities and services. That's how it used to work even in MMOs. Times have changed and I also dislike it, but it's here now so all I can do is deal with it. I can choose not to support a P2P game with a cash shop.
Thank WoWs success with this system for it's introduction in MMOs nowadays.
Well put! I believe even anything in GW2 cash shop is also available in game if I'm not mistaken.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Ok, first of all don't go insulting the guy and also don't go pushing your beliefs down people's throats.
Do you have cable? Well, there was a time when cable promised limited commercials and more content. Well, I can safely say that has changed. "Well I pay for it and I don't want to pay to be advertised to". Well, you and me both. But guess what? Turn on the cable channels and you see commercials. Heck, go to the movies and you will see actual commercials. That have nothing to do with movies.
Going forward you are going to be very hard pressed to find mmo's, and I suspect other games, that don't have some sort of cash shop.
Would I prefer to just pay one monthly fee and have done with it? Sure. But that's not really what's happening now is it? So who exactly is the ignorant fool? The person who has kept up wiht the times or the person who is holding onto what used to be but is now no longer?
As far as the "should be there" that is arguable.
If there was no avenue for dlc or fluff items or whatever then it's very possible they wouldn't bother with anything in the first place. I don't really recall a plethora of additional items in Lineage 2 or Lord of the Rings when the games were just a sub.
if they can make money off of it they will. So if this is your line in the sand then I think it's time to cross it.
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I can see that but you think people be used to it by now? After many P2P game offer roughly the same thing peopel are stil throwing a fit over it?
Not inv space or character slots, some of the idk boxes? or keys or whatever that give drop is obtainable through game.
Well then glad I didn't pick it up.
Also cash shops are always ripoffs. Making games is just another business, so if they game is making money by p2p then they make the game better so you keep playing and your get your friends to play. If it's cash shopped based they work to annoy you to the point you buy the pretty clothes, instead of wearing the rags the game let you loot, or till you buy the xp or gold bouns instead of spending the days grinding.
I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.
Well first of all, all those premuin service are offered by most other P2P games, second the skin so far is limited sale only so we don't even know what they are selling. Third the in game gear doesn't look like RAGS they all look great, the skin simply make your weapon look like a different weapon. Aka warrior get 2 axe skin and lancer get a long sword instead of lance. And there never be exp or gold bonus unless they go F2P.
This game let's us wear more than rags, the armor is godly. The stuff in the cash shop isn't even that nice(looks half assed to me), it's just different I guess, wouldn't even spend $5 for any of it let alone $10 when you've got amazing stuff in game already, no weapon pictures but here's examples of armor...
Weapons are just as good.
Wait untill they start selling skills in the GW2 cash shop....
Anyway...its just costumes, which are no diffrent than deco pets. If it supports making the game better people should care so long as they dont cross any lines and start adding enhancment/consumables or other pay per advantage items.
Its a rip off lucky for you its 100% optional. Mabey buy them off a friend with in game gold if you need them in game so badly.
So your saying, they will see that the junk in the cash shop isn't selling and the next round of armor and weapons will look stupid to get you buy the skins from the cash shop?
I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.
I think people are upset more because it is a sub based game and they are providing an item that should be in game.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
^^^ This
If this was F2P or B2P, then I would understand it. But to charge 10-15 bucks a month and then withhold content from players is a money grab and will ALWAYS be a money grab. And, imo, this practice will lead to better looking weapons and armor being available for cash while a lower quality of weapons and armor will be available in game.
If not, then there would be no incentive for using the cash shop and the shop would be pointless.
"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days those are now the only two states youll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2
I never post on forums, just like to read and see how gamers are changing for the worse. All I have to say is, WHO EFFING CARES ABOUT THE CASH SHOP!! You dont have to buy it!! How hard is that to understand?? You gain literaly NOTHING besides a SKIN!!! This is why mmo's suck now. This new "Generation" of cry baby gamers are ruining every mmo that comes out becasue they can never be satisfied! Dont like the cash shop, then dont effin play, that simple. "OMG Tera has a cash shop, I better take it to the forums anc cry and tell everyone that I quit becaues of a effin cash shop". Ya thats what you ass hats sound like!
I play Tera, and the Cash Shop isnt going to effect me what so ever.
Everything they have in it I dont need, and so what if they add more cosmetic stuff.
I dont need it, no one does. If you buy it then good for you! Just know its not worth it.
(Its really just a waste of money)
Let me see ...
Those who pre-ordered will get a set of cosmetic skins that noone else will have (for now). Basically that's a set of skins noone will have but those who got the game early.
https://forum.tera-europe.com/showthread.php?t=73558
Then you have those skins mentioned in that page. They don't look that special compared to what is already in the game. However, there is the potential to expand it with much more items, but that would mean exclusive development for the cash shop. Too risky imo right now.
You also have NPCs in all major cities selling skins, assuming you don't like the looks of your weapon.
In any case, I'm still quite happy with the look of the gear. It might change in the future of course, but I doubt it.
This "cash shop" is the mildest thing you could find in a P2P game. It is nowhere near the ballpark of GW2 that some people mentioned, where Anet is expecting it to be a major monetisation avenue. And of course, it is very mild compared to TSW, which seems to be adopting a LOTRO style approach on cosmetic gear, only with a subscription model. In any case, it is hilarious to see people crying wolf over Tera's "shop", in comparison they should be crying gonzilla towards the other games mentioned in this thread.
Personally i find most of those skin pretty horrible lol. Aside from the lancer one (which i brought coz its too awsome, i finally get my damn sword/shield, I love sword/shield so when tank in Tera was lancer iw as pretty disappointed but now i can poke people with my long sword even though swinging is is much more effective but i'm too cool for that. Also now i can pretend to be slayer with shield =D most broken class ever if it exsited.) warrior and sorc one is decent but honsetly all the other one looks so bad lol. The dragons/gold (whatever they are called) ones look much better.
This cash shop has 0 effect on the game. Anyone thinking it has an effect is very misinformed.
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I have nothing against it as long as it is for skins only. Off course when they start selling items that give your character some sort of boost then I will be furious and be gone from TERA sonner than the first posts about it appear on this forum.
I am confused as to how a cash shop that offers items that are clearly poor investments and provide no advantage to gameplay is an issue. If you feel like frivolously spending some money on whatever fictional goods they're selling, so be it. If you're not interested in that, then don't.
You would need the willpower of a three year old for this to feel threatening to you in some way. Christ only knows how you manage to contain yourself near a checkout line.
If tera was f2p with thes kind of items from shop (luxury stuffs and no p2w)
it could own
The truth is many don't. Impulse buying works for a reason, which ofc is exactly whay they stack crap near checkouts.
You seem to assume that everyone out there has the same decision making capabilities or psychological make up as you, and if they don't... screw 'em? Who needs to look out for the vulnerable anyhow, I'm doing just fine, right?
That attitude could also be examined I guess... it could be said to show signs of low level autism or be indicative of sociopathic tendencies.
I am not saying you are either of these things, I don't know you, but see how easy it would be to make harsh observations of others?
My personal view is that box+sub+expacks+cash shop is over a line and just smacks of greed and is looking to exploit the vulnerable and addicted.
In any case, if you want to see some hilarious weapon skins from K-Tera shop (remind me of the goofy Aion ones) here's a link:
https://forum.tera-europe.com/showthread.php?t=88423