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  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COPosts: 3,292Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Laughing-man

    Originally posted by Kuppa


    Originally posted by Laughing-man


    Originally posted by Kuppa


    Originally posted by Sybnal

    First off, fuck censorshitp.  The only person on this planet capable of determining what kind of media I can or can't see is me. 

    Second I don't think it's the fact that it's little girls running around smiling, it's scantily clad little girls running around smiling in G-Strings that did it.  If that's normal, in Korea, so be it, I'm not gonna judge. It's not even real, it's just a cartoon.  If I ever had my head so far up my ass to be offended by a video game, I just wouldn't play it. 

     

    You sure about that? Do you have kids? U fine with porn all over the place??

    Parents should be the censor for their children, it should not be the place of society to watch kids for parents.

    How would you sensor your kids from public flyers and advertisement??

    Public Flyers?  Advertisements?

    what are you talking about?

    Do you see overly sexualized children on flyers and adverts all the time?

    Why is it society's job to concern itself with how you raise YOUR child, you made the choice to have one, you have to take the responcibility to raise it right.

    Please do so, thanks.

    Are you not reading the post? He said: "First off, fuck censorshitp."

    I am replying saying that without censorship you could have porn could be anywhere and everywhere. I asked him if he was fine with that.

    Do you follow now? I was using a hypotetical argument as to why we still need censorship...

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  • SybnalSybnal nunavit, NWPosts: 261Member

    Originally posted by Kuppa

     

    How would you sensor your kids from public flyers and advertisement?? Its not a society if you have to do it all...

    Well, the way I did was not living in a shithole with porn sprayed all over the place..lol.  Seriously, if you living in an area that has a large number of sex trade buisness that need flyer advertisment maybe consider a move. 

    Having said that, you can't raise your kids in a bubble, and they are gonna see shit no matter what kind of locks you put on the doors. Curiosity is natural.   You just have to make sure you are open and talk about the things they are curious about.  Keeping them ignorant of the world they live in is the path to raising a dumb kid that can't protect themselves.

  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Dublin, OHPosts: 3,415Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Kuppa

    Originally posted by Laughing-man


    Originally posted by Kuppa


    Originally posted by Laughing-man


    Originally posted by Kuppa


    Originally posted by Sybnal

    First off, fuck censorshitp.  The only person on this planet capable of determining what kind of media I can or can't see is me. 

    Second I don't think it's the fact that it's little girls running around smiling, it's scantily clad little girls running around smiling in G-Strings that did it.  If that's normal, in Korea, so be it, I'm not gonna judge. It's not even real, it's just a cartoon.  If I ever had my head so far up my ass to be offended by a video game, I just wouldn't play it. 

     

    You sure about that? Do you have kids? U fine with porn all over the place??

    Parents should be the censor for their children, it should not be the place of society to watch kids for parents.

    How would you sensor your kids from public flyers and advertisement??

    Public Flyers?  Advertisements?

    what are you talking about?

    Do you see overly sexualized children on flyers and adverts all the time?

    Why is it society's job to concern itself with how you raise YOUR child, you made the choice to have one, you have to take the responcibility to raise it right.

    Please do so, thanks.

    Are you not reading the post? He said: "First off, fuck censorshitp."

    I am replying saying that without censorship you could have porn could be anywhere and everywhere. I asked him if he was fine with that.

    Do you follow now? I was using a hypotetical argument as to why we still need censorship...

    You are using a hypothetical that again is an impossibiltiy,

    What if aliens came and anal probed everyone!?

    GASP!?

    its just as impossible.

    When you use a hypothetical you must use one that is at the very least a possiblitiy.

     

  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COPosts: 3,292Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Laughing-man

    Originally posted by Kuppa


    Originally posted by Sybnal


    Originally posted by Kuppa


    Originally posted by Sybnal

    First off, fuck censorshitp.  The only person on this planet capable of determining what kind of media I can or can't see is me. 

    Second I don't think it's the fact that it's little girls running around smiling, it's scantily clad little girls running around smiling in G-Strings that did it.  If that's normal, in Korea, so be it, I'm not gonna judge. It's not even real, it's just a cartoon.  If I ever had my head so far up my ass to be offended by a video game, I just wouldn't play it. 

     

    You sure about that? Do you have kids? U fine with porn all over the place??

    Yes, I have kids. It's my job to determine what they can't see. It's not up to the rest of the world to raise my kids for me.  One is 16 and he's mature enough to decide for himself now.   They only place I draw the line is shit like kid porn, where the production of the material is literally ruining the entire life of someone that doesn't have a choice in the matter.  In that case the evil of censorship is nothing compared to the hideous crime of an abused kid.

     

     

    Im talking about the hypotetical case of having censored material like porn in ads and posters all over the place, I don't know about you but I would not agree with that.

    Your hypothetical is an impossibility, and its an outlandish far fetched one at that.

    We as a society don't like having those sorts of things plastered everywhere, we don't let Porn be shown on billboards.

    You are offering up a situation which will never occur.

    Edit:  In before you say common decency is somehow censorship. 

    Thank you for making my case for me. That my friend, is censorship image

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  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Dublin, OHPosts: 3,415Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Kuppa

    Thank you for making my case for me. That my friend, is censorship image

    I'm thinking you missed everything I said...

    It's ok I'm guessing your children are distracting you.

  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COPosts: 3,292Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Sybnal

    Originally posted by Kuppa


     

    How would you sensor your kids from public flyers and advertisement?? Its not a society if you have to do it all...

    Well, the way I did was not living in a shithole with porn sprayed all over the place..lol.  Seriously, if you living in an area that has a large number of sex trade buisness that need flyer advertisment maybe consider a move. 

    Having said that, you can't raise your kids in a bubble, and they are gonna see shit no matter what kind of locks you put on the doors. Curiosity is natural.   You just have to make sure you are open and talk about the things they are curious about.  Keeping them ignorant of the world they live in is the path to raising a dumb kid that can't protect themselves.

    Do you not understand this is a hypotecticall scenario? Im replying to his "fuck censorship" because it is needed and used in some cases. That's why its ILLEGAL to do something like I said before, censorship.

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  • ironhelixironhelix fairfield, OHPosts: 448Member

    Originally posted by Laughing-man

    Originally posted by ironhelix


    Originally posted by Laughing-man


    Originally posted by ironhelix

    I am told that Japanese society is so formal and repressed, that over the years behavior like this has developed as a result. Apparently, a lot of weird shit is acceptable behind closed doors, and is seeping into mainstream society, just as long as you don't talk about it. The proliferation of online worlds where you can spend time anonymously makes it tempting for game developers to offer choices like the Elin for certain types to drool over. 

    Anyway, people who like to pretend that it isn't what it is are ignorant, or unable to admit the truth.

    So if we dont' agree with you we are ignorant.

    Hmmm...

    So the only way at looking at this is the way you see it and thats it?

    Gotcha...

    It has nothing to do with agreement. It's a fact just like the sun is going to rise tomorrow. Asian culture sexualizes young girls. I lived there, and saw it with my own eyes. I am also sure that horses exist because I have seen those too. You cannot argue this, it is not a matter of opinion.

    You are generalizing, this is always, always, always, wrong.

    Please consider the fact that though you may have experienced living in a part of asia, to assume that you know the minds and hearts of ohhhh 4 billion + people and their society is downright wrong.

     

    OK. You got me. I guess that ONLY the people in the places that I went in Japan, Korea, Singapre, The Phillipines, and Thailand have these attitudes. I must concede that you may be right. It is also possible that I hallucinated ever even being in those places, and my 14 years of Naval service. Also, I must admit that I may have imagined horses too. They may not exist either.

  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COPosts: 3,292Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Laughing-man

    Originally posted by Kuppa


    Originally posted by Laughing-man


    Originally posted by Kuppa


    Originally posted by Laughing-man


    Originally posted by Kuppa


    Originally posted by Sybnal

    First off, fuck censorshitp.  The only person on this planet capable of determining what kind of media I can or can't see is me. 

    Second I don't think it's the fact that it's little girls running around smiling, it's scantily clad little girls running around smiling in G-Strings that did it.  If that's normal, in Korea, so be it, I'm not gonna judge. It's not even real, it's just a cartoon.  If I ever had my head so far up my ass to be offended by a video game, I just wouldn't play it. 

     

    You sure about that? Do you have kids? U fine with porn all over the place??

    Parents should be the censor for their children, it should not be the place of society to watch kids for parents.

    How would you sensor your kids from public flyers and advertisement??

    Public Flyers?  Advertisements?

    what are you talking about?

    Do you see overly sexualized children on flyers and adverts all the time?

    Why is it society's job to concern itself with how you raise YOUR child, you made the choice to have one, you have to take the responcibility to raise it right.

    Please do so, thanks.

    Are you not reading the post? He said: "First off, fuck censorshitp."

    I am replying saying that without censorship you could have porn could be anywhere and everywhere. I asked him if he was fine with that.

    Do you follow now? I was using a hypotetical argument as to why we still need censorship...

    You are using a hypothetical that again is an impossibiltiy,

    What if aliens came and anal probed everyone!?

    GASP!?

    its just as impossible.

    When you use a hypothetical you must use one that is at the very least a possiblitiy.

     

    Wow, you are really confused. First of, that is not "impossible" its illegal. If it weren't, there would definately be advertisement for it all over the place just like any entertainment company does.

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  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COPosts: 3,292Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Laughing-man

    Originally posted by Kuppa

    Thank you for making my case for me. That my friend, is censorship image

    I'm thinking you missed everything I said...

    It's ok I'm guessing your children are distracting you.

    Tell me, what did I miss? Its impossible?? not it isn't, its illegal. Look at the example the other guy mentioned about buying panties from a vending machine, I assume you also think that's impossible

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  • TerranahTerranah Stockton, CAPosts: 3,605Member

    Can a person be seduced into pedofilia?  Because I think you are either a pedofile or you are not and a playable videogame character is not going to influence you one way or another.

     

    To me the Elin look cute, not sexual.  

  • SybnalSybnal nunavit, NWPosts: 261Member

    Originally posted by BizkitNL

    Originally posted by Sybnal


    Originally posted by Kuppa


    Originally posted by Sybnal

    First off, fuck censorshitp.  The only person on this planet capable of determining what kind of media I can or can't see is me. 

    Second I don't think it's the fact that it's little girls running around smiling, it's scantily clad little girls running around smiling in G-Strings that did it.  If that's normal, in Korea, so be it, I'm not gonna judge. It's not even real, it's just a cartoon.  If I ever had my head so far up my ass to be offended by a video game, I just wouldn't play it. 

     

    You sure about that? Do you have kids? U fine with porn all over the place??

    Yes, I have kids. It's my job to determine what they can't see. It's not up to the rest of the world to raise my kids for me.  One is 16 and he's mature enough to decide for himself now.   They only place I draw the line is shit like kid porn, where the production of the material is literally ruining the entire life of someone that doesn't have a choice in the matter.  In that case the evil of censorship is nothing compared to the hideous crime of an abused kid.

     

     

    Isn't the whole censorship about people determining what their kids can and cant see? I mean, you pretty much agreed to it right there.

    Personally, Im more for the "if you dont want them to see it, keep them from playing", rather than go all-out and make the developers change the game. Im guessing this is what you meant as well?

    Ya, it's a contradiction I know.  But there are exceptions to every rule.  If you can't see the value of helping little kids not get fucked by pedophiles I don't know what to tell you. 

    I wouldn' t have a problem with something like Lolita, or The Professional that's a depiction of it. Then it's up to you.  But the production of the real thing is a fucking crime, and should be.  My ideals on censorship can take a back seat if it even helps one kid.  

  • adam_noxadam_nox hays, KSPosts: 2,035Member Uncommon
  • NaughtyPNaughtyP Edmonton, ABPosts: 793Member

    Censoring a video game? Okay, how about not making war games where I can maim or kill everything in sight. Or the ones where I can play as a drug dealer and beat people to death with a dildo. Oh wait, that's somehow acceptable... for what reason?

    "Selective censorship" makes things like this a complete fucking joke. Either do it for everything or don't do it at all.

    Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.

  • OtakunOtakun New Providence, PAPosts: 864Member

    Originally posted by Terranah

    Can a person be seduced into pedofilia?  Because I think you are either a pedofile or you are not and a playable videogame character is not going to influence you one way or another.

     

    To me the Elin look cute, not sexual.  

    There are people out there that believe that you can catch 'the gay' from homosexuals. So, I wouldn't be surprised if people believe that looking at cartoon images on the internet can turn people into pedophiles. 

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,455Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Terranah

    Can a person be seduced into pedofilia?  Because I think you are either a pedofile or you are not and a playable videogame character is not going to influence you one way or another.

     

    To me the Elin look cute, not sexual.  

    Thank you and I agree.

    The few times I've been at the beach and saw little kids playing and tops coming off, shorts being pulled down etc, I didn't think one sexual thought. Awww, cute, kids playing.

    The Elin don't even look like kids to me. They look like Anime Faerie people.

  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COPosts: 3,292Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by NaughtyP

    Censoring a video game? Okay, how about not making war games where I can maim or kill everything in sight. Or the ones where I can play as a drug dealer and beat people to death with a dildo. Oh wait, that's somehow acceptable... for what reason?

    "Selective censorship" makes things like this a complete fucking joke. Either do it for everything or don't do it at all.

    They actually decided to back down on it to get a better PEGI rating. Otherwise, they could have left it in and gotten a more mature rating. So actually more than censorship it was a business move.

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  • BizkitNLBizkitNL NetherlandsPosts: 2,280Member Common

    Originally posted by Terranah

    Can a person be seduced into pedofilia?  Because I think you are either a pedofile or you are not and a playable videogame character is not going to influence you one way or another.

     

    To me the Elin look cute, not sexual.  

    Well, if everyone we're like you, we'd be fine then :).

    But we're not. And that's where it gets messy. I've seen kids go sex-crazy over less than this. Or more.....uhm... you know.

    But I think we're missing an important aspect of censorship here: "The other guy". The guy you have no control over without censoring the source.

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  • adam_noxadam_nox hays, KSPosts: 2,035Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by NaughtyP

    Censoring a video game? Okay, how about not making war games where I can maim or kill everything in sight. Or the ones where I can play as a drug dealer and beat people to death with a dildo. Oh wait, that's somehow acceptable... for what reason?

    "Selective censorship" makes things like this a complete fucking joke. Either do it for everything or don't do it at all.

    It's not selective, and the comparison between watching murder in games and the creation of child sexualization is not and never has been valid.  It's always brought up in these topics, and it's very tiresome.  The crime of murder is the real act, the crime of child porn is the creation of the imagery itself. 

    But this isn't even about legality, at least not yet.  It's about what they think an american audience, and lobbyist groups, and politicians will stomach if they happent to see the Elin.  The publishers don't want a crusade against their game.

    It's not censorship, it's business.  ffs...

  • adam_noxadam_nox hays, KSPosts: 2,035Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by adam_nox

    http://www.snopes.com/risque/kinky/panties.asp

     

    discussion over.

    just going to keep quoting myself I guess, because I'm really tired of the apologists for japanese culture.

  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COPosts: 3,292Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by adam_nox

    Originally posted by NaughtyP

    Censoring a video game? Okay, how about not making war games where I can maim or kill everything in sight. Or the ones where I can play as a drug dealer and beat people to death with a dildo. Oh wait, that's somehow acceptable... for what reason?

    "Selective censorship" makes things like this a complete fucking joke. Either do it for everything or don't do it at all.

    It's not selective, and the comparison between watching murder in games and the creation of child sexualization is not and never has been valid.  It's always brought up in these topics, and it's very tiresome.  The crime of murder is the real act, the crime of child porn is the creation of the imagery itself. 

    But this isn't even about legality, at least not yet.  It's about what they think an american audience, and lobbyist groups, and politicians will stomach if they happent to see the Elin.  The publishers don't want a crusade against their game.

    It's not censorship, it's business.  ffs...

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  • OtakunOtakun New Providence, PAPosts: 864Member

    Originally posted by adam_nox

    Originally posted by adam_nox

    http://www.snopes.com/risque/kinky/panties.asp

     

    discussion over.

    just going to keep quoting myself I guess, because I'm really tired of the apologists for japanese culture.

    Except for the fact that this is a Korean game ... 

  • ironhelixironhelix fairfield, OHPosts: 448Member

    Originally posted by adam_nox

    http://www.snopes.com/risque/kinky/panties.asp

     

    discussion over.

    This article is EXACTLY right.

  • TyrranosaurTyrranosaur Albuquerque, NMPosts: 284Member

    Originally posted by Kuppa

    Originally posted by Sybnal

    First off, fuck censorshitp.  The only person on this planet capable of determining what kind of media I can or can't see is me. 

    Second I don't think it's the fact that it's little girls running around smiling, it's scantily clad little girls running around smiling in G-Strings that did it.  If that's normal, in Korea, so be it, I'm not gonna judge. It's not even real, it's just a cartoon.  If I ever had my head so far up my ass to be offended by a video game, I just wouldn't play it. 

     

    You sure about that? Do you have kids? U fine with porn all over the place??

    Yep, this is the kind of argument that really sets a hard line between those without kids (single adults and teens) and actual parents (and for that matter, parents with daughters). I have a son, but before he was born and we didn't know the gender, I gave a lot of thought to what raising a girl would mean, and our society looks downright predatory toward women from that perspective.

    Having to be responsible for someone, and realizing that something which might be okay for an adult to internalize is suddenly and readily accesible to a child, is a shocking slap in the face. When I became a parent I had to start thinking about this, about implementing parental controls, and about considering what entertainment would be "for mom and dad" vs. available to my child. Sexuality is inevitable in a child's life, but as I see it, let's try to stave off the introduction and immersion our society is so fond of pumping out in multimedia until the kid is actually ready....and even then, try to contextualize it so that we don't have a runaway society that is built on principles that allow old men to sexualize pre-teens.

     

    Current MMOs: Rift, GW2, Defiance
    Blog: http://realmsofchirak.blogspot.com (old school tabletop gaming and more)

  • XzenXzen Los Alamos, NMPosts: 2,607Member Common

    Originally posted by Kuppa

    Originally posted by Laughing-man


    Originally posted by Kuppa


    Originally posted by Laughing-man


    Originally posted by Kuppa


    Originally posted by Laughing-man


    Originally posted by Kuppa


    Originally posted by Sybnal

    First off, fuck censorshitp.  The only person on this planet capable of determining what kind of media I can or can't see is me. 

    Second I don't think it's the fact that it's little girls running around smiling, it's scantily clad little girls running around smiling in G-Strings that did it.  If that's normal, in Korea, so be it, I'm not gonna judge. It's not even real, it's just a cartoon.  If I ever had my head so far up my ass to be offended by a video game, I just wouldn't play it. 

     

    You sure about that? Do you have kids? U fine with porn all over the place??

    Parents should be the censor for their children, it should not be the place of society to watch kids for parents.

    How would you sensor your kids from public flyers and advertisement??

    Public Flyers?  Advertisements?

    what are you talking about?

    Do you see overly sexualized children on flyers and adverts all the time?

    Why is it society's job to concern itself with how you raise YOUR child, you made the choice to have one, you have to take the responcibility to raise it right.

    Please do so, thanks.

    Are you not reading the post? He said: "First off, fuck censorshitp."

    I am replying saying that without censorship you could have porn could be anywhere and everywhere. I asked him if he was fine with that.

    Do you follow now? I was using a hypotetical argument as to why we still need censorship...

    You are using a hypothetical that again is an impossibiltiy,

    What if aliens came and anal probed everyone!?

    GASP!?

    its just as impossible.

    When you use a hypothetical you must use one that is at the very least a possiblitiy.

     

    Wow, you are really confused. First of, that is not "impossible" its illegal. If it weren't, there would definately be advertisement for it all over the place just like any entertainment company does.

    I guess none of you guys ever been to Las Vegas. They advertise for "Call girls" everywhere. In California I've heard radio advertisements for breast implants. I've seen a school bus stop and right across the street a woman wearing less clothing than on the original Eline models in my own town.

  • gimmesomegimmesome Rancho Cucamonga, CAPosts: 362Member

    ...And this is another reason cencorship is stupid and very unproductive.

     

    In the gaming world (news, forums, interviews, debates, etc)  There's now more generated discussion, links, pics, jokes, insults, and all out attention to child pornography and little girl's panties than there was before the censorship bat hit the Elin in Tera.

     

     

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