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The REAL reason Wow has been successful

echolynfanecholynfan Lancaster, PAPosts: 681Member

I've played just about every MMO there is and there's one thing that Wow does pretty much better than all of them: It works WELL.

Yep - that's it. I can be in a pvp battle with 80 players and maintain a playable FPS throughout. Blizzard created a fantastic game engine that not only performs well - it does so on just about everyone's computer.

After the HUGE disappointment that is SWTOR - with their 15 FPS Warzones - the 7 year old Wow just plainly kicks it's ass. I'm not talking just about content (which you would expect a 7 year old game to have) but the game engine. What was Biofail thinking when they launched with that horrendous steaming pile?

So - Wow will continue to dominate for just that reason.

 

Currently playing SWTOR and it's MUCH better than it was at launch.

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  • dmartinationdmartination ogden, UTPosts: 25Member

    Real reason why wow is successful. it came out at the right year. If rift came out in 04 and wow came out in 2011 as its current xpac (but it would be the first game) it would not do as well. 

  • UngoHumungoUngoHumungo Middletown, OHPosts: 518Member

    Originally posted by echolynfan

    I've played just about every MMO there is and there's one thing that Wow does pretty much better than all of them: It works WELL.

    Yep - that's it. I can be in a pvp battle with 80 players and maintain a playable FPS throughout. Blizzard created a fantastic game engine that not only performs well - it does so on just about everyone's computer.

    After the HUGE disappointment that is SWTOR - with their 15 FPS Warzones - the 7 year old Wow just plainly kicks it's ass. I'm not talking just about content (which you would expect a 7 year old game to have) but the game engine. What was Biofail thinking when they launched with that horrendous steaming pile?

    So - Wow will continue to dominate for just that reason.

     

    well since WoW is shifting to a younger crowd as it demographic they will lose subs, however I think they will continue to be successful just not like the first couple of years....all good things must come to an end.

    There are times when one must ask themselves is it my passion that truly frightens you? Or your own?

  • Johnie-MarzJohnie-Marz La Puente, CAPosts: 865Member

    Originally posted by creedgaming

    Of course they were the first ones to launch with a 80 million dollar gaming budget now people are trying to follow suit...

    But there numbers are dropping and with this lame panda expansion there going to lose alot of hardcore fans don't be surprised if that number drops to 8-9million subscribers... The end of adding 10 levels is certainly near and if they don't change course WoW will be dead before Ultima Online which has been stable for the last 5-6 years...

    Maybe; but I would't coun't them out just yet. WoW had years of sustained growth and now that their numbers are finally dropping, it will still be years before they get to the point of Free to Play. However once WoW goes, free to play they will probably become successful again.

  • UngoHumungoUngoHumungo Middletown, OHPosts: 518Member

    WoW was mainly a test for project titan

    There are times when one must ask themselves is it my passion that truly frightens you? Or your own?

  • Johnie-MarzJohnie-Marz La Puente, CAPosts: 865Member

    Originally posted by graggok

    WoW was mainly a test for project titan

    I am still mad that my Android phone turned out to be a beta test.

  • AoriAori Carbondale, ILPosts: 1,886Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by echolynfan

    Yep - that's it. I can be in a pvp battle with 80 players and maintain a playable FPS throughout. Blizzard created a fantastic game engine that not only performs well - it does so on just about everyone's computer. 

     This is a very true statement, the game can run on any machine while still not looking like complete crap.

  • synnsynn killeen, TXPosts: 546Member

    a few reasons i believe it was so successful:

    -blizzard already had a huge fanbase

    - the game was geared toward both the casual and hardcore players

    -hero classes (this was scrapped in beta and never really seen the light of day)

    -good PR

    -big budget

    -the game itself was good and back then players didn't have high expectations like they do now.

    -little competition

    - very small learning curve allowing novice gamers to enjoy the game and not get overwhelmed.

  • ace80kace80k Lorton, VAPosts: 151Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Aori                                                                                                                                                                            the game can run on any machine while still not looking like complete crap.

    Definitely subject to opinion and one of the main reasons I never, personally, played the game. That may seem a bit shallow, but, when WoW was released, the game did look like crap compared to EQ2 and other PC games in general. Even with the graphical revamp, the game still looks like crap to this day imo. In a game world, immersion is key. Sometimes I like I just run around freely and enjoy the scenery, but if the game looks like crap, then what's the point? That has always been my issue with WoW.

  • frestonfreston orensePosts: 521Member

    i dont think there is  a single mmo out there that manages to capture the fluidity and responsiveness of wows combat animations , up to this day. Im not talking about combat itself, but about the animations.

  • AnzieAnzie Miami, FLPosts: 468Member

    Originally posted by ace80k

    Originally posted by Aori                                                                                                                                                                            the game can run on any machine while still not looking like complete crap.

    Definitely subject to opinion and one of the main reasons I never, personally, played the game. That may seem a bit shallow, but, when WoW was released, the game did look like crap compared to EQ2 and other PC games in general. Even with the graphical revamp, the game still looks like crap to this day imo. In a game world, immersion is key. Sometimes I like I just run around freely and enjoy the scenery, but if the game looks like crap, then what's the point? That has always been my issue with WoW.

    and i think you got a shit pc and you can barely run wow that is why it look like crap to you.

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    Originally posted by Spathotan

    The simplest way to put this, is like this. Buying a used/refurbished 360 is on the same plane as sharing a condom in a gangbang with strangers.
  • echolynfanecholynfan Lancaster, PAPosts: 681Member

    Originally posted by freston

    i dont think there is  a single mmo out there that manages to capture the fluidity and responsiveness of wows combat animations , up to this day. Im not talking about combat itself, but about the animations.

    Agreed!

    Currently playing SWTOR and it's MUCH better than it was at launch.

  • echolynfanecholynfan Lancaster, PAPosts: 681Member

    Originally posted by Anzie

    Originally posted by ace80k


    Originally posted by Aori                                                                                                                                                                            the game can run on any machine while still not looking like complete crap.

    Definitely subject to opinion and one of the main reasons I never, personally, played the game. That may seem a bit shallow, but, when WoW was released, the game did look like crap compared to EQ2 and other PC games in general. Even with the graphical revamp, the game still looks like crap to this day imo. In a game world, immersion is key. Sometimes I like I just run around freely and enjoy the scenery, but if the game looks like crap, then what's the point? That has always been my issue with WoW.

    and i think you got a shit pc and you can barely run wow that is why it look like crap to you.

    Some people don't like the cartoony look of Wow and I can understand that. I prefer realistic graphics also but all too often they're accompanied by a performance problem which I can't stand.

    In the past few years I've purchased many new games only to find that it was a huge waste of money. The games were usually not only lacking in content but had so-so to crappy engines.

    And back to my original point: Wow is so popular because it WORKS. I don't care how cool a game might look - if you're in a PVP situation and you're getting 5 FPS - it just doesn't matter.

    Currently playing SWTOR and it's MUCH better than it was at launch.

  • AoriAori Carbondale, ILPosts: 1,886Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by ace80k

    Originally posted by Aori                                                                                                                                                                            the game can run on any machine while still not looking like complete crap.

    Definitely subject to opinion and one of the main reasons I never, personally, played the game. That may seem a bit shallow, but, when WoW was released, the game did look like crap compared to EQ2 and other PC games in general. Even with the graphical revamp, the game still looks like crap to this day imo. In a game world, immersion is key. Sometimes I like I just run around freely and enjoy the scenery, but if the game looks like crap, then what's the point? That has always been my issue with WoW.

    WoW has some of the best immersion in any MMO, the world is far more alive, open and active than any other i've played. As for the graphic thing.. I thought they were good. It was a very different style from what everyone was used to.  Also when EQ2 was released, sure it may have looked good but it didn't run on ANYONES PC.

    So while you may have not liked the art style, WoW's enviroments provide one of the best immersive experiences you can get.

  • IstavaanIstavaan CorkPosts: 1,350Member

    In my opinion wow was successful because everquest 2 dropped the ball big time.

  • KalmarthKalmarth Lake Havasu City, AZPosts: 443Member

    Real reason it did so well, Low system spec, anyone can play it, you dont need a killer rig to play and that in its self helps out more than any other factor, who wants to upgrade just to play a game.

  • IstavaanIstavaan CorkPosts: 1,350Member

    Originally posted by Kalmarth

    Real reason it did so well, Low system spec, anyone can play it, you dont need a killer rig to play and that in its self helps out more than any other factor, who wants to upgrade just to play a game.

    most pc gamers like to upgrade thats the whole point of pc gaming..it's a hobby to build your pc. most console players don't understand this though.

  • KalmarthKalmarth Lake Havasu City, AZPosts: 443Member

    Originally posted by Istavaan

    Originally posted by Kalmarth

    Real reason it did so well, Low system spec, anyone can play it, you dont need a killer rig to play and that in its self helps out more than any other factor, who wants to upgrade just to play a game.

    most pc gamers like to upgrade thats the whole point of pc gaming..it's a hobby to build your pc. most console players don't understand this though.

    I agree but who has the spare cash these days, we all know it tight everywhere so low spec is a HUGE plus

     

  • solarinesolarine IstanbulPosts: 1,203Member

    Originally posted by Aori

    Originally posted by ace80k


    Originally posted by Aori                                                                                                                                                                            the game can run on any machine while still not looking like complete crap.

    Definitely subject to opinion and one of the main reasons I never, personally, played the game. That may seem a bit shallow, but, when WoW was released, the game did look like crap compared to EQ2 and other PC games in general. Even with the graphical revamp, the game still looks like crap to this day imo. In a game world, immersion is key. Sometimes I like I just run around freely and enjoy the scenery, but if the game looks like crap, then what's the point? That has always been my issue with WoW.

    WoW has some of the best immersion in any MMO, the world is far more alive, open and active than any other i've played. As for the graphic thing.. I thought they were good. It was a very different style from what everyone was used to.  Also when EQ2 was released, sure it may have looked good but it didn't run on ANYONES PC.

    So while you may have not liked the art style, WoW's enviroments provide one of the best immersive experiences you can get.

     

    For its time, I have to agree. The use of color, ambient sound and ambient music, along with the progression of different geographical zones without the use of load screens meant the game, to me, was one of the most immersive online experiences for that time.

    Other games that I thought did a good job in this department (back then) were SWG and EVE. And way before those, EQ.

    For me, EQ2 unfortunately didn't cut it as for as immersion goes. Actually that was the main reason I mainly stuck with WOW and played EQ2 very sparingly.

     

  • AoriAori Carbondale, ILPosts: 1,886Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Kalmarth

    Originally posted by Istavaan


    Originally posted by Kalmarth

    Real reason it did so well, Low system spec, anyone can play it, you dont need a killer rig to play and that in its self helps out more than any other factor, who wants to upgrade just to play a game.

    most pc gamers like to upgrade thats the whole point of pc gaming..it's a hobby to build your pc. most console players don't understand this though.

    I agree but who has the spare cash these days, we all know it tight everywhere so low spec is a HUGE plus

     

    The whole point to PC gaming was lan play and modding. Now it is more mouse/keyboard vs gamepad.

    Don't mix PC Enthusiasts up with Gamers.. they are a different type of people. Rarely are the same but still a very small minority of gamers are enthusiasts.

  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member

     

    I came in here expecting another shallow and simplistic answer to a complex question. 

    Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  • SoulOfRazielSoulOfRaziel Porto FerreiraPosts: 405Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by graggok

    WoW was mainly a test for project titan

    I will be expecting a grt game from blizz if when they finish titan xD

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  • ArglebargleArglebargle Austin, TXPosts: 1,419Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by synn

    a few reasons i believe it was so successful:

    -blizzard already had a huge fanbase

    - the game was geared toward both the casual and hardcore players

    -hero classes (this was scrapped in beta and never really seen the light of day)

    -good PR

    -big budget

    -the game itself was good and back then players didn't have high expectations like they do now.

    -little competition

    - very small learning curve allowing novice gamers to enjoy the game and not get overwhelmed.

    Right time, right place, right company.

     

    Me, I never liked Warcraft, so it had no traction there.   Didn't care for the story or writing, so I quit after my free week.   This was not the opinion of millions of others, obviously.

    If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  • noncleynoncley LondonPosts: 648Member Uncommon

    Personally, I'd say one of the reasons WoW has succeeded so well is that Blizzard made a conscious decision that its revnues would come from subscription not box sales - which is they invested in playability and customer retention rather than phoney baloney marketing and sales like EA/Bioware did with SWTOR.

  • GreenHellGreenHell ludlow, MAPosts: 1,322Member Uncommon

    There are so many reasons why WoW has done as well as it has. I don't think you can credit one of their decisions with all of that success.  A lot of  the things that I really dont like about the game have proven insanely popular.

    Who would have thought that running the same instances or raids over and over again for gear would have proven to be so popular? Chasing that carrot on a stick for gear just to have the whole thing reset with every expansion making all of that progression pointless. People obviously love it.

    Who would have thought that having PvP so unbalanced with boring simplistic BG's and really no open world PvP would have been popular? In the end BG's are really nothing but yet another gear grind.

    WoW's success seems to stem more from the false sense of achievment that comes with a gear grind than anything else. Yes a game that performs well is great but if the content that people enjoy is not there then it really doesn't matter how well the engine performs bcause no one is going to play it.

  • KalmarthKalmarth Lake Havasu City, AZPosts: 443Member

    Originally posted by GreenHell

    There are so many reasons why WoW has done as well as it has. I don't think you can credit one of their decisions with all of that success.  A lot of  the things that I really dont like about the game have proven insanely popular.

    Who would have thought that running the same instances or raids over and over again for gear would have proven to be so popular? Chasing that carrot on a stick for gear just to have the whole thing reset with every expansion making all of that progression pointless. People obviously love it.

    Who would have thought that having PvP so unbalanced with boring simplistic BG's and really no open world PvP would have been popular? In the end BG's are really nothing but yet another gear grind.

    WoW's success seems to stem more from the false sense of achievment that comes with a gear grind than anything else. Yes a game that performs well is great but if the content that people enjoy is not there then it really doesn't matter how well the engine performs bcause no one is going to play it.

    So empty sense achievment is your point, that could be any game, hell life for that matter, why live when your just going to die in the end, I think its because people enjoy it, right or wrong its what makes people happy and that might be the whole point

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