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Ok TESO is a WoW Clone

MMOExposedMMOExposed lalal land, DCPosts: 6,255Member Uncommon
But can anybody explain to me how it's a WoW Clone?



Been seeing this term thrown around a lot on the topic of TESO.



Please explain how it's a WoW clone to me...

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  • XzenXzen Los Alamos, NMPosts: 2,607Member Common

    Originally posted by MMOExposed

    But can anybody explain to me how it's a WoW Clone?



    Been seeing this term thrown around a lot on the topic of TESO.



    Please explain how it's a WoW clone to me...

    I'm interested as well. Even though TESO is not what I want in an ES mmorgp I don't see how it's a "WoW clone".

  • JimyHumuHumuJimyHumuHumu BilbaoPosts: 250Member

     Its not a wow clone per se. Its just a term that people use for 'omgyetanotherthemeparkgame' games with publishers afraid of losing money on possible innovative/non-standard things. 

     

    so its not a wow clone, its just another themepark game and to make things worse, its using the name of worlds biggest and proably most famous sandbox single player series. To me it comapares to something like... they make a Fifa Online game thats not about football but basketball, with fifa's name on it. its that weird :P

     

    edit: the game is everything that its single player series arent. Thats its biggest problem, and thats what all this fuss is about. It wouldnt be that bad if they used some other IP, but people who play and like TES like it for what is it.  Last thing i want to play now is another wow/swtor with different skins.

  • SoulOfRazielSoulOfRaziel Porto FerreiraPosts: 405Member Uncommon

    TESO is far from launch and its already a big fail GJ !

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  • XzenXzen Los Alamos, NMPosts: 2,607Member Common

    Originally posted by JimyHumuHumu

     Its not a wow clone per se. Its just a term that people use for 'omgyetanotherthemeparkgame' games with publishers afraid of losing money on possible innovative/non-standard things. 

     

    so its not a wow clone, its just another themepark game and to make things worse, its using the name of worlds biggest and sandbox single player series. To me it comapares to something like... they make a Fifa Online game thats not about football but basketball, with fifa's name on it. its that weird :P

     

    edit: the game is everything that its single player series arent. Thats its biggest problem, and thats what all this fuss is about. It wouldnt be that bad if they used some other IP, but people who play and like TES like it for what is it.  Last thing i want to play now is another wow/swtor with different skins.

    TES is not sandbox. Fact.

  • JimyHumuHumuJimyHumuHumu BilbaoPosts: 250Member

    its not a themepark. fact.

     

    edit: thanks for your well thought and constructive response, im now convinced tes is not a sandbox and im gonna like TESO. 

  • XzenXzen Los Alamos, NMPosts: 2,607Member Common

    Originally posted by JimyHumuHumu

    its not a themepark. fact.

    It is an open world rpg. In mmo terms it is a themepark.

  • viddiot007viddiot007 Hartford, CTPosts: 96Member Uncommon

    I hope you are all wrong... I realize it uses the same Engine as SWTOR, but who in their right mind would turn a sandbox series into a themepark MMO? I just dont think they are that stupid.... Please God dont let them be that dense...

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  • DSWBeefDSWBeef phoenix, AZPosts: 791Member

    Originally posted by Xzen

    Originally posted by JimyHumuHumu

    its not a themepark. fact.

    It is an open world rpg. In mmo terms it is a themepark.

    To consider the TES series a themepark is laughable. Is it a pull sandbox? No it is not but its definately not a themepark.

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  • JimyHumuHumuJimyHumuHumu BilbaoPosts: 250Member

    Originally posted by Xzen

    Originally posted by JimyHumuHumu

    its not a themepark. fact.

    It is an open world rpg. In mmo terms it is a themepark.

    its a single player game. there are no mmo terms for single player games.  

  • DSWBeefDSWBeef phoenix, AZPosts: 791Member

    Originally posted by viddiot007

    I hope you are all wrong... I realize it uses the same Engine as SWTOR, but who in their right mind would turn a sandbox series into a themepark MMO? I just dont think they are that stupid.... Please God dont let them be that dense...

    Sorry to burst your bubble. From Neogaf.

    -Releasing 2013 for PC/Mac

    -Developed by ZeniMax Online Studios

    -MMORPG

    -250 Person Team

    -Started development in 2007

    -"This time, saving the world from the awakening of ancient evil is only the beginning. What happens when hundreds or thousands of prophesied heroes all think that they should be Emperor?"

    -The game is fully voice acted

    -Third person perspective

    -The game uses a hotbar to activate skills like other traditional MMOs

    -Visually it looks like other Hero Engine MMOs like SWTOR

    -The general art style is kind of like RIFT or Everquest 2

    -You can't be a werewolf or vampire

    -Crafting, alchemy, and soul stones will exist in an unrevealed form

    -There will be Daedric Princes like Molag Bal, the primary antagonist, and Vaermina, "whose sphere of influence extends to the dream world and the nightmares of mortals", along with some unnamed others

    -Constellations will be in the game a la Mundus stones (which work like guardian stones) and also give the answer to things like block puzzles where you step on the blocks in a certain order

    -Tons of towns ranging from Imperial City, Windhelm, Daggerfall, Sentinel, Mournhold, Ebonheart, Elden Root, Shornhelm, Evermore, Riften, and a lot more

    -Radiant AI will not be present

    -There will be mounts, but no flying mounts

    -Fast travel exists in the game in the form of wayshrines, which are also your ressurection point, and you can teleport from one wayshrine to any other wayshrine you have already visited

    -There most likely won't be dragons

    -Sneaking will be in the game, but how it is implemented is undecided

    -They're not talking about pets right now

    -There will be no player housing

    -There will be no NPC romances or marriage

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    -Features most of Tamriel including Skyrim, Morrowind, Summerset Isle, and Elseweyr.

    -"Not all provinces are included in their entirety; Zenimax Online is keeping large areas inaccessible to save them for use as expansion content. Nonetheless, every major area is represented to some extent."

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    --Aldmeri Dominion: Altmer, Bosmer, and Khajit

    --Daggerfall Covenant: Bretons, Redguard, and Orcs

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    -Also, your soul has already been stolen by Molag Bal, which is the reason you can come back from death over and over again, and the starting plot is that you're fighting Molag Bal to get your soul back from him

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    -The most accomplished PvP player on your faction becomes emperor whenever you take over the capital

    -When you take over Cyrodiil, you will be able to adventure in it as a hostile city a la Kvatch

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    -There is also balanced PvP for people who prefer eSports

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    -The ultimate is used once you gain enough finesse, which is earned by doing well in combat

    -You also get a bonus loot chest if you're soloing and max your finesse, and you can also build finesse by comboing with other players

    -For example, a rogue can put oil on the ground that a mage can set on fire

    -A fighter can also spin in the firestorm a mage puts down, which sends out fireballs

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    -You can't combo with the abilities of enemy players though, so if an enemy faction player drops an oil slick, you can't set it on fire

    -The Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood will be presented, but in what form isn't detailed as their contnet is hard to recreate in an MMO setting

    -NPCs will try to work together and use player like behavior when fighting you, and (at least to my understanding) have stamina as well

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    -The claim was not demo'ed to Game Informer

    -You destroy dark anchors to gain reputation with the Fighter's Guild. They are large hooks that fall from the sky pseudorandomly and have Daedric guardians next to them. They are easier to kill with a group, and once destroyed, everyone who participated gets a reputation boost with the Fighter's Guild, and eventually nets you rewards like new skills and abilities.

    -The combat model will not be real time due to latency

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    -Blocking is the primary focus of these abilities, and can do things like stopping the secondary effects of attacks such as an ice spell slowing you

    -Stamina also applies to PvP, so stamina management (and wearing down your enemy's stamina) is important, as your crowd control abilities might be on a long cooldown, and if you use them before the enemy player runs out of stamina, they will probably just block the effect

    -ZeniMax feels that having the stamina bar will help break down the Holy Trinity as stamina allows you to do things like tank

    -However, healing is still a big part of the game

    -There is also no aggro mechanic in the game, which is part of the reason stamina blocking and healing exist

     

    Alot of it sounds great. But there is no reason not to include player housing and real action combat. TERA pulls it off great. Cant the Hero Engine not handle it?

    Playing: War Thunder, World of Warcraft, and Grim Dawn
    Waiting on:Everquest Next and The Black Desert

  • XzenXzen Los Alamos, NMPosts: 2,607Member Common

    Originally posted by JimyHumuHumu

    Originally posted by Xzen


    Originally posted by JimyHumuHumu

    its not a themepark. fact.

    It is an open world rpg. In mmo terms it is a themepark.

    its a single player game. there are no mmo terms for single player games.  

    Obviously there are since the marketing guys for TES started trying to sell it as a sandbox.

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,903Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by DSWBeef

    Originally posted by Xzen


    Originally posted by JimyHumuHumu

    its not a themepark. fact.

    It is an open world rpg. In mmo terms it is a themepark.

    To consider the TES series a themepark is laughable. Is it a pull sandbox? No it is not but its definately not a themepark.

    This is the problem with labels, everyone has their own idea of what exactly a label means. I can see the themepark comparison more than I can see a sandbox one, going on my own idea of what a themepark usually entails. But is it really that important or mean all that much in the end? WOW is a themepark but so was DAOC, these games are nothing alike yet they fall in the same labelled category, TES may not be like WOW, but it shares many of the same characteristics of games that have been labelled in such a way. Mainly open world adventuring, vanguard comes to mind really fast on that topic. Not minecraft or wurm.

    And at the OP I don't think it looks like what WOW is at all thus far.

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  • XzenXzen Los Alamos, NMPosts: 2,607Member Common

    Originally posted by Distopia

    Originally posted by DSWBeef


    Originally posted by Xzen


    Originally posted by JimyHumuHumu

    its not a themepark. fact.

    It is an open world rpg. In mmo terms it is a themepark.

    To consider the TES series a themepark is laughable. Is it a pull sandbox? No it is not but its definately not a themepark.

    This is the problem with labels, everyone has their own idea of what exactly a label means. I can see the themepark comparison more than I can see a sandbox one, going on my own idea of what a themepark usually entails. But is it really that important or mean all that much in the end? WOW is a themepark but so was DAOC, these games are nothing alike yet they fall in the same labelled category, TES may not be like WOW, but it shares many of the same characteristics of games that have been labelled in such a way. Mainly open world adventuring, vanguard comes to mind really fast on that topic. Not minecraft or wurm.

    To be fair TES does lean very far twords being a sandbox. The only thing it needs to fit into the category is the ability to generate content in some way as a part of gameplay and not through mods.

  • DSWBeefDSWBeef phoenix, AZPosts: 791Member

    Originally posted by Distopia

    Originally posted by DSWBeef


    Originally posted by Xzen


    Originally posted by JimyHumuHumu

    its not a themepark. fact.

    It is an open world rpg. In mmo terms it is a themepark.

    To consider the TES series a themepark is laughable. Is it a pull sandbox? No it is not but its definately not a themepark.

    This is the problem with labels, everyone has their own idea of what exactly a label means. I can see the themepark comparison more than I can see a sandbox one, going on my own idea of what a themepark usually entails. But is it really that important or mean all that much in the end? WOW is a themepark but so was DAOC, these games are nothing alike yet they fall in the same labelled category, TES may not be like WOW, but it shares many of the same characteristics of games that have been labelled in such a way. Mainly open world adventuring, vanguard comes to mind really fast on that topic. Not minecraft or wurm.

    And at the OP I don't think it looks like what WOW is at all thus far.

    Exactly. Im all for a good themepark i jsut prefer a sandbox. But lately all the themeparks we get are WoW Clones. Rift is slightly different in that they have world events coop dungeons, and more. Ahh yes i forgot about vanguard, I think Skyrim to vanguard is a good comparison. Hmm may resub.

    Playing: War Thunder, World of Warcraft, and Grim Dawn
    Waiting on:Everquest Next and The Black Desert

  • DSWBeefDSWBeef phoenix, AZPosts: 791Member

    The only real saving grace I have for this game is RvR. That is the only pvpm system i have ever enjoyed to this day. If this game can make it perfect ill throw my money at them.

    Playing: War Thunder, World of Warcraft, and Grim Dawn
    Waiting on:Everquest Next and The Black Desert

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,903Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Xzen

     

    To be fair TES does lean very far twords being a sandbox. The only thing it needs to fit into the category is the ability to generate content in some way as a part of gameplay and not through mods.

    Yes FONV/FO3 very much become sandboxes when you install the RTS ( real time settler) mod. SO I can agree with that. I'm just speaking in terms of what I do in an average play session in those games without those mods, explore and find quests to complete, same thing I do in a typical themepark, it really boils down to the point that themeparks are more or less trying to be the typical RPG.

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  • UhwopUhwop Wilm, DEPosts: 1,663Member Uncommon

    If the scans are real, then I would say yes it is.

    And for no other reason then because the devs in the article chose to make it a point to compare just about every feature of the game with with WoW, and state that they will function the same.

    If you tell me you're making a product, and you choose to compare your product to another existing product, and tell me that it will function like that other product, I have no choice but to come away with the impression that you're atttempting to emulate that other product.  In that regard, yes, you made a clone.

  • DevokanDevokan Noord-HollandPosts: 29Member

    How can you even make a elder scroll game and make it a standart themepark mmorpg (if it is really like that)

     

    I Seriously think the devs were on drugs when they desided that.

  • XzenXzen Los Alamos, NMPosts: 2,607Member Common

    Originally posted by Uhwop

    If the scans are real, then I would say yes it is.

    And for no other reason then because the devs in the article chose to make it a point to compare just about every feature of the game with with WoW, and state that they will function the same.

    If you tell me you're making a product, and you choose to compare your product to another existing product, and tell me that it will function like that other product, I have no choice but to come away with the impression that you're atttempting to emulate that other product.  In that regard, yes, you made a clone.

    You might have something there. Enought of what was revealed sounded different enough for me not to call it a WoW clone but the fact that they said "like WoW" is pretty damning.

  • DistopiaDistopia Baltimore, MDPosts: 16,903Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Uhwop

    If the scans are real, then I would say yes it is.

    And for no other reason then because the devs in the article chose to make it a point to compare just about every feature of the game with with WoW, and state that they will function the same.

    If you tell me you're making a product, and you choose to compare your product to another existing product, and tell me that it will function like that other product, I have no choice but to come away with the impression that you're atttempting to emulate that other product.  In that regard, yes, you made a clone.

    You and I obviously view WOW comparisons differently when they're made in mainstream articles. WOW is simply the face of the MMO to the broader gaming public, they could say well it's like DAOC, but how many outside of the older MMO space are going to be able to relate to that message and understand it?

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  • UhwopUhwop Wilm, DEPosts: 1,663Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Xzen

    Originally posted by Uhwop

    If the scans are real, then I would say yes it is.

    And for no other reason then because the devs in the article chose to make it a point to compare just about every feature of the game with with WoW, and state that they will function the same.

    If you tell me you're making a product, and you choose to compare your product to another existing product, and tell me that it will function like that other product, I have no choice but to come away with the impression that you're atttempting to emulate that other product.  In that regard, yes, you made a clone.

    You might have something there. Enought of what was revealed sounded different enough for me not to call it a WoW clone but the fact that they said "like WoW" is pretty damning.

     Doesn't mean it'll be bad, and that's about the only thing I think people are wrong in stating.  Say what you will, until people can get hands on with a game, you can't know it's value.

    But, if you're selling me apples, and you tell me they were grown and taste just like a granny smith apple, then I would have to believe you're selling me a granny smith apple.

    My issue is, if granny smith told me they were making an apple pie out of granny smith apples for everyone that loves granny smith apples, and they try and sell me mincmeat pie, I'm not gonna buy it.  I would also encourage anyone else that loves granny smith apples to not buy it as well.

    In the end I won't care if it's a good game or not, because the very first thing you told me was, "we're finally making the ES mmo that the fans have always wanted."  No fan ever wanted an ES mmo that had any resemblence to WoW.  If you don't make a morrowind/ oblivion/ skyrim game with a dedicated internet connection that allows me to play with thousands of other poeple, then you sure as hell are not making an ES MMO that the fans have always wanted.  You're making an MMO of DAoC and WoW fans. 

  • DAS1337DAS1337 Parma, OHPosts: 2,404Member

    I don't understand the exclusion of housing..

  • XzenXzen Los Alamos, NMPosts: 2,607Member Common

    Originally posted by Uhwop

    Originally posted by Xzen


    Originally posted by Uhwop

    If the scans are real, then I would say yes it is.

    And for no other reason then because the devs in the article chose to make it a point to compare just about every feature of the game with with WoW, and state that they will function the same.

    If you tell me you're making a product, and you choose to compare your product to another existing product, and tell me that it will function like that other product, I have no choice but to come away with the impression that you're atttempting to emulate that other product.  In that regard, yes, you made a clone.

    You might have something there. Enought of what was revealed sounded different enough for me not to call it a WoW clone but the fact that they said "like WoW" is pretty damning.

     Doesn't mean it'll be bad, and that's about the only thing I think people are wrong in stating.  Say what you will, until people can get hands on with a game, you can't know it's value.

    But, if you're selling me apples, and you tell me they were grown and taste just like a granny smith apple, then I would have to believe you're selling me a granny smith apple.

    My issue is, if granny smith told me they were making an apple pie out of granny smith apples for everyone that loves granny smith apples, and they try and sell me mincmeat pie, I'm not gonna buy it.  I would also encourage anyone else that loves granny smith apples to not buy it as well.

    In the end I won't care if it's a good game or not, because the very first thing you told me was, "we're finally making the ES mmo that the fans have always wanted."  No fan ever wanted an ES mmo that had any resemblence to WoW.  If you don't make a morrowind/ oblivion/ skyrim game with a dedicated internet connection that allows me to play with thousands of other poeple, then you sure as hell are not making an ES MMO that the fans have always wanted.  You're making an MMO of DAoC and WoW fans. 

    I agree with you there 100%

  • MMOExposedMMOExposed lalal land, DCPosts: 6,255Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by JimyHumuHumu

     Its not a wow clone per se. Its just a term that people use for 'omgyetanotherthemeparkgame' games with publishers afraid of losing money on possible innovative/non-standard things. 
     
    so its not a wow clone, its just another themepark game and to make things worse, its using the name of worlds biggest and proably most famous sandbox single player series. To me it comapares to something like... they make a Fifa Online game thats not about football but basketball, with fifa's name on it. its that weird :P
     
    edit: the game is everything that its single player series arent. Thats its biggest problem, and thats what all this fuss is about. It wouldnt be that bad if they used some other IP, but people who play and like TES like it for what is it.  Last thing i want to play now is another wow/swtor with different skins.

     

    Two things...



    1) TES is not a Sandbox. It's open world RPG, not Sandbox. Themepark MMORPG been doing that for years, going back to EQ1.



    2) like when has Sandbox MMO ever been innovating? Sandbox MMO innovate less than Themepark MMO do. So I have no idea how anybody can link the two (Sandbox & Innovation ) together.

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  • RequiamerRequiamer ???Posts: 2,034Member

    Originally posted by MMOExposed

    But can anybody explain to me how it's a WoW Clone?

    Why don't you read the data and find by yourself, you need someone to draw you a picture or something?

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