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My BIg Question- D3 and PoE

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  • GrailerGrailer HamiltonPosts: 876Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Merdur

    Originally posted by Grailer

    POE is awesome Ive been playing it for a while now , However D3 is a cut above POE in style .

     

    POE will be free to play why ? Because they probably would have trouble selling it for $60 .

     

    Simply put D3 is just alot better .

     

     

    The only reason d3 can sell for 60 bucks is because it's got the name, take away the name and it's just another generic top down hack and slash with a RLAH and the RLAH is gonna crash and burn faster then people think.

    its called the RMAH  real money auction house   lol.

    Not sure how its going to crash and burn ,  where is your proof ? How do you know what is going to happen ?

     

    They pushed back release date of this game to make it the best Action RPG available , its definately not just another generic top down hack and slash lol.  However when Im playing it in 9 days while you arent I'll be sure to not care  haha :)

     

  • ArChWindArChWind Some Place, WIPosts: 623Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Banquetto

     




    Originally posted by ArChWind

    Add sockets to items, remove and keep gems form sockets for future use.





    Well you could add a socket to an item in D2 also. Removing and keeping for later use? That's new. I can't say it's a good idea though: it sounds like yet another D3 change that is going to reduce replayability for softcore characters.

     

     Yeah they allow you to remove the gem and keep it. No hack to get it done.




    Originally posted by ArChWind

    mix and match gear and socket items. Way more complex then you think.





    What do you mean by "mix and match"? Because I'm honestly still not seeing the complexity. It looks like D2 with bigger numbers but much, much less complexity - 4 gem colours vs. 7 gem colours, 20-something runes plus runewords, and infinite random jewels).

     

     Jewels are not done yet and the runes are rune wordsare in the skill system. Specific builds like the one I posted (demon Hunter) is going to need specific affixes and modifiers on the equipment to withstand the hell and inferno levels. Specificly speed, resistances, damage and healing. Since rare items can have 6 affixes I have room for some MF and Damage modifiers plus sockets add additional space to get what is missing.


     


    Not all demon hunter builds are going to be spec’ed out to dance around groups of mobs and shot but that is how I like to run a ranged character even in a group. I need high speed running and fastest high power weapons I can find (add sockets for additional damage or life steal). I’m playing hardcore with this build because it will be a lot of fun for me. I like to pack em up and blow em up.



    Originally posted by ArChWind

    edit: To clarify I like to see you get +200 stat on a level 60 char in D2 with ONE item





    Yeah I know D3 has much bigger numbers on the gems. If your point is just "socketing in D3 is more important than it was in D2" then I absolutely agree with you. But you keep hinting that it's more complex or deep, and I'm honestly not seeing it. Not trying to start a fight, I just want you to explain what it is that I'm missing.

    Like I said sockets, jewels are incomplete. Hell even the gems are missing data. I think this game has more potential but then I sit and study how I want my character to play and not someones elses character.

     

     

  • BanquettoBanquetto CityPosts: 1,037Member Uncommon

    Diablo 3 has jewels? Everything I've ever heard says that it does not. What do you mean they're "incomplete", if they're not done now, they're not there, the game has gone gold and launches in 9 days!

  • dubyahitedubyahite Lincoln, NEPosts: 2,483Member
    They are incomplete on the websites database as far as I know. They definitely have jewels.

    I'm sure they are complete in the game. They just don't have all the stats listed on the database.

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  • ArChWindArChWind Some Place, WIPosts: 623Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Banquetto

    Diablo 3 has jewels? Everything I've ever heard says that it does not. What do you mean they're "incomplete", if they're not done now, they're not there, the game has gone gold and launches in 9 days!

     Where did you hear jewels are not in the game? I was missinformed then.  O.O

    edit: http://www.diablo3demo.com/gameplay-potions.html

     Maybe they gems are complete in game but many weapons, set armors, legendary armors and  gems are incomplete on the website. The only reference is helms and weapons on the gems. They still have ot add the other affixes that go on other armor for gems. Site will be 100% soon and will get the info.

  • BanquettoBanquetto CityPosts: 1,037Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by ArChWind


    Originally posted by Banquetto
    Diablo 3 has jewels? Everything I've ever heard says that it does not. What do you mean they're "incomplete", if they're not done now, they're not there, the game has gone gold and launches in 9 days!

     Where did you hear jewels are not in the game? I was missinformed then.  O.O
    Googled for "diablo 3" jewels.


    "Jewels are not present in Diablo III... at least not yet. The Diablo III developers have never commented on jewels, other than to say they will not be in Diablo 3, upon initial launch." - Diablo Wiki


    Numerous forum threads with people asking about jewels and nobody giving any response that suggested they were in the game.


    No mention of jewels whatsoever in the game guide - at least the set & legendary items have placeholders there, saying "Legendary and Set items are being worked on. Check back soon to see their stats!".

  • ArChWindArChWind Some Place, WIPosts: 623Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Banquetto

     




    Originally posted by ArChWind





    Originally posted by Banquetto

    Diablo 3 has jewels? Everything I've ever heard says that it does not. What do you mean they're "incomplete", if they're not done now, they're not there, the game has gone gold and launches in 9 days!






     Where did you hear jewels are not in the game? I was missinformed then.  O.O




    Googled for "diablo 3" jewels.

     



    "Jewels are not present in Diablo III... at least not yet. The Diablo III developers have never commented on jewels, other than to say they will not be in Diablo 3, upon initial launch." - Diablo Wiki



    Numerous forum threads with people asking about jewels and nobody giving any response that suggested they were in the game.



    No mention of jewels whatsoever in the game guide - at least the set & legendary items have placeholders there, saying "Legendary and Set items are being worked on. Check back soon to see their stats!".

     http://www.diablo3demo.com/gameplay-potions.html

  • BanquettoBanquetto CityPosts: 1,037Member Uncommon


    According to archive.org, that bit about "Gems, Jewels and Runes will be available in Diablo3" was written on that page in 2008. (link)


    I wouldn't rely on it as evidence that what has been publicly announced by Blizzard is missing major elements of gameplay, sadly.

  • ArChWindArChWind Some Place, WIPosts: 623Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Banquetto

     






    According to archive.org, that bit about "Gems, Jewels and Runes will be available in Diablo3" was written on that page in 2008. (link)

     



    I wouldn't rely on it as evidence that what has been publicly announced by Blizzard is missing major elements of gameplay, sadly.

     http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/2624878224

     


    Ok here we go. read the features


    Add Sockets


    Shen can etch a socket into shields, helms, belts, or pants, enabling nearly any piece of equipment to reap the benefits of gems. Taken directly for the site.


     



     


    If you can etch sockets into these items then there has to be something to put in the item. All gems listed are helm and weapon.


     


    Quote from a blue in that link specifically said :


     










     



     


    It's actually possible to craft a socketed item in the current version of the Beta.



    Yes, gems will be available in the final version of the game, but not in the Beta, just like runes



     


    Maybe this is the big surprise?

  • HauvarnHauvarn Walker, LAPosts: 220Member

    Originally posted by Starpower

    Originally posted by IrishChai


    Originally posted by Starpower


     The only difference between D2 and PoE is updated graphics minus the UI

     

    Ok, that's just ridiculous.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kucFP3wN3Eo

    I see no difference. Characters are better drawn and animated so are the mobs. The game is of a higher resolution vs a game that is over 10 years old and can only run in 1200x800 but it's basically the same game. two balls representing mana and health, the potions, the inventory not just the design but down to the very looks of it. It's not only similar in a "this is a arpg inventory thingy" it's a copy paste. Same goes for the combat and the loot

    I find it funny that half the people supporting PoE rant and rave about innovation in the game genre.  This is a carbon copy of D2 with better graphics.

    Yes I played SWTOR.

  • MikkelBMikkelB SteenwijkPosts: 240Member

    Originally posted by Hauvarn

    *qoutes*

    I find it funny that half the people supporting PoE rant and rave about innovation in the game genre.  This is a carbon copy of D2 with better graphics.

    It's pretty simple really. You have a group of fans that pretty much think that the talent trees system is the pinacle of customization in these games. Diablo 3 won't satisfy them, so they turn to PoE and Torchlight 2. Ofcourse there are inprovements in the system, like the ability gemming (I believe, I'm not the most qualified person here to talk about it) and the passive skilltree. Though both can't be called innovative and nobody called them that I think.

    In short, Diablo 3 is just that, the next entry in the Diablo series. No, it's not like Diablo 2, but gameplay wise there are a lot of improvements to the action-rpg/dungeon crawler formula. PoE is more like Diablo 2 I guess, in a new graphical jacket and a bunch of improvements to the old Diablo 2 system.

  • JakardJakard 98390, WAPosts: 415Member

    Being in the beta for both games, here's my gripe about PoE. They seem to have over-complicated things for the sake of over-complicationg things. The skill tree for example, while it's nice (I suppose) to have a billion options, at some point it's just too much and not every players wants to spend 12 hours researching talent trees and builds. I also think the bartering system.... umm... well it sucks and once again, it's un-neccesarily complicated. While I appreciate wanting to try something different, I don't beleive it works all that well.

    Diablo was never a incredibly deep over complex system. And that's one of the many charms about the series. I didn't feel like I had to invest hours into researching a build (although I could if I needed to). PoE is a decent game but let's not kiid ourselves. It's no Diablo 3.

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