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  • ShodanasShodanas PatrasPosts: 896Member Uncommon

    @OP & and the other doombringers swarming the TES forum since yesterday:

    So, a TES MMO is announced and although we don't have anything solid about the game yet you come here and bitch because you don't like the engine it's build on. I don't know if TES online will be a good or bad game, with ZeniMax chances are 50 / 50, but i do know that it will be a much better place to be without the likes of you. 

    Also, you should check the engine's website and try to comprehend it's many features before leaving your ignorant, spiteful and self-righteous comments here. 

  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,656Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Saerain

    Why does anyone think it uses a theme park model? Surely not because of the engine, unless you think the Unreal engines limit you to shooters.

     


    Originally posted by jiveturkey12

    Seriously what are all these people thinking? Couldnt they just make their own in house engine?

    Hah! Yeah, no big deal.

     


    Originally posted by castamir11

    I looked up the Hero Engine wiki.  It says that the released games using this engine are Faxion Online and SWTOR.  How's that for a track record?

    50% is great for a sample size of two.

    There are certain keywords that trigger knee-jerk responses, usually from the uninformed. If a game isn't made with the latest engine and the latest graphic tech it is immediately doomed to fail. Luckily, if these clowns aren't simply talking out their ass, we can be consoled in the fact that we won't have to deal with them since they are staying away from these 'fail' titles.

    There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
    "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre

  • VorthanionVorthanion Laguna Vista, TXPosts: 2,117Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Shodanas

    @OP & and the other doombringers swarming the TES forum since yesterday:

    So, a TES MMO is announced and although we don't have anything solid about the game yet you come here and bitch because you don't like the engine it's build on. I don't know if TES online will be a good or bad game, with ZeniMax chances are 50 / 50, but i do know that it will be a much better place to be without the likes of you. 

    Also, you should check the engine's website and try to comprehend it's many features before leaving your ignorant, spiteful and self-righteous comments here. 

    Having played WAR and TOR, I am not impressed with the engine nor its capabilities.  You sound just as self righteous as the ones you disparage.  We have plenty of solid evidence of the features and direction of the game, thanks to scanned pages of the Infogamer article, the link even present on this site no less.  Maybe you need to catch up with the rest of us before you make yourself look really silly.

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  • NaughtyPNaughtyP Edmonton, ABPosts: 793Member

    I would wager there are probably less than 10 people on these boards that are qualified to say which game engines are truly good or bad. Everyone else (myself included) is an armchair developer and can only guess...

    Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.

  • VorthanionVorthanion Laguna Vista, TXPosts: 2,117Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by revy66

    The ignorance of some posters...the Pathfinder devs have already said that the build Swtor uses is VERY outdated and they even purchases the engine when it was in a very early stage and not even publicly for sale at the time. But I guess one example is enough to write it off for some people..

    You do realize that TOR was in development around the same time as this TES game.  In fact, TES started back in 2007, while TOR started almost a year later in 2008.  Do some research before you insert foot in mouth.

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  • revy66revy66 NY, NYPosts: 464Member

    Originally posted by Vorthanion

    Originally posted by Shodanas

    @OP & and the other doombringers swarming the TES forum since yesterday:

    So, a TES MMO is announced and although we don't have anything solid about the game yet you come here and bitch because you don't like the engine it's build on. I don't know if TES online will be a good or bad game, with ZeniMax chances are 50 / 50, but i do know that it will be a much better place to be without the likes of you. 

    Also, you should check the engine's website and try to comprehend it's many features before leaving your ignorant, spiteful and self-righteous comments here. 

    Having played WAR and TOR, I am not impressed with the engine nor its capabilities.  You sound just as self righteous as the ones you disparage.  We have plenty of solid evidence of the features and direction of the game, thanks to scanned pages of the Infogamer article, the link even present on this site no less.  Maybe you need to catch up with the rest of us before you make yourself look really silly.

    WAR did not use Hero engine...

  • musicmannmusicmann port allen, LAPosts: 1,107Member

    Originally posted by revy66

    The ignorance of some posters...the Pathfinder devs have already said that the build Swtor uses is VERY outdated and they even purchases the engine when it was in a very early stage and not even publicly for sale at the time. But I guess one example is enough to write it off for some people..

    A game engine is just a tool to convey what the developers want to create. If TES have been in development since 2007, which is pretty much around the same time as when TOR got started, then their version of the engine should be very close to what Bioware had. From what has been said, it seems like they are gonna use the engine in the same capacity as Bioware did, which means they will not use it to it's full capacity.

  • VorthanionVorthanion Laguna Vista, TXPosts: 2,117Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by NaughtyP

    I would wager there are probably less than 10 people on these boards that are qualified to say which game engines are truly good or bad. Everyone else (myself included) is an armchair developer and can only guess...

    My experiences with the games that use that engine are all the evidence I need to know I don't care for it.  I don't need to be a developer to know that any more than I need to be an artist to appreciate art.  What an arrogant statement to make.

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  • revy66revy66 NY, NYPosts: 464Member

    Originally posted by Vorthanion

    Originally posted by revy66

    The ignorance of some posters...the Pathfinder devs have already said that the build Swtor uses is VERY outdated and they even purchases the engine when it was in a very early stage and not even publicly for sale at the time. But I guess one example is enough to write it off for some people..

    You do realize that TOR was in development around the same time as this TES game.  In fact, TES started back in 2007, while TOR started almost a year later in 2008.  Do some research before you insert foot in mouth.

    Swtor was announced in 2008, it was not start being developed then.

  • VorthanionVorthanion Laguna Vista, TXPosts: 2,117Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by revy66

    Originally posted by Vorthanion


    Originally posted by Shodanas

    @OP & and the other doombringers swarming the TES forum since yesterday:

    So, a TES MMO is announced and although we don't have anything solid about the game yet you come here and bitch because you don't like the engine it's build on. I don't know if TES online will be a good or bad game, with ZeniMax chances are 50 / 50, but i do know that it will be a much better place to be without the likes of you. 

    Also, you should check the engine's website and try to comprehend it's many features before leaving your ignorant, spiteful and self-righteous comments here. 

    Having played WAR and TOR, I am not impressed with the engine nor its capabilities.  You sound just as self righteous as the ones you disparage.  We have plenty of solid evidence of the features and direction of the game, thanks to scanned pages of the Infogamer article, the link even present on this site no less.  Maybe you need to catch up with the rest of us before you make yourself look really silly.

    WAR did not use Hero engine...

    Yes it did.  The developers said so in interviews that they were using a heavily modified Hero engine.

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  • revy66revy66 NY, NYPosts: 464Member

    Originally posted by Vorthanion

    Originally posted by revy66


    Originally posted by Vorthanion


    Originally posted by Shodanas

    @OP & and the other doombringers swarming the TES forum since yesterday:

    So, a TES MMO is announced and although we don't have anything solid about the game yet you come here and bitch because you don't like the engine it's build on. I don't know if TES online will be a good or bad game, with ZeniMax chances are 50 / 50, but i do know that it will be a much better place to be without the likes of you. 

    Also, you should check the engine's website and try to comprehend it's many features before leaving your ignorant, spiteful and self-righteous comments here. 

    Having played WAR and TOR, I am not impressed with the engine nor its capabilities.  You sound just as self righteous as the ones you disparage.  We have plenty of solid evidence of the features and direction of the game, thanks to scanned pages of the Infogamer article, the link even present on this site no less.  Maybe you need to catch up with the rest of us before you make yourself look really silly.

    WAR did not use Hero engine...

    Yes it did.  The developers said so in interviews that they were using a heavily modified Hero engine.

    I bet you cant find that quote then cause what they said is that they used the Gamebryo engine.

  • VorthanionVorthanion Laguna Vista, TXPosts: 2,117Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by revy66

    Originally posted by Vorthanion


    Originally posted by revy66

    The ignorance of some posters...the Pathfinder devs have already said that the build Swtor uses is VERY outdated and they even purchases the engine when it was in a very early stage and not even publicly for sale at the time. But I guess one example is enough to write it off for some people..

    You do realize that TOR was in development around the same time as this TES game.  In fact, TES started back in 2007, while TOR started almost a year later in 2008.  Do some research before you insert foot in mouth.

    Swtor was announced in 2008, it was not start being developed then.

    Yes, so that would put them around the same time as TES, back in 2007, since most companies make these announcements a year after the project has started and has its footing.  So, that to me, would indicate they both used the same version of the Hero engine, don't you think.

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  • ThorkuneThorkune Eastern, KYPosts: 1,828Member Uncommon

    Watch some youtube videos on the hero engine and you will see that it isn't a bad engine at all. Bioware just limited themselves with it.

  • NaughtyPNaughtyP Edmonton, ABPosts: 793Member

    Originally posted by Vorthanion

    Originally posted by NaughtyP

    I would wager there are probably less than 10 people on these boards that are qualified to say which game engines are truly good or bad. Everyone else (myself included) is an armchair developer and can only guess...

    My experiences with the games that use that engine are all the evidence I need to know I don't care for it.  I don't need to be a developer to know that any more than I need to be an artist to appreciate art.  What an arrogant statement to make.

    I don't think you know what arrogant means if you are calling me arrogant for that statement... oh well.

    Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.

  • jiveturkey12jiveturkey12 You havent heard of it, FLPosts: 1,262Member

    Sorry but your all being the ignorants ones here. (In referance to the people who dont understand the difference between a "Doom" post and a post thats actually saying it like it is, going by the facts from previous experiances with the hero engine and its previous failures)

     

    -As others have stated since the game started development in 2007 then it would utilize the same engine as TOR. Yes, im sure theres been upgrades im not dening that, but theres no miracle patch for a bad engine.

     

    -To those saying you cant judge the hero engine yet, why the hell not? Lets see, the game that they were developing WITH THE ENGINE, never saw release, since then weve seen TOR, a 100 million dollar game, and yet people are saying they didnt use the engine to its fullest potential? Give me a break guys. And then all people can say after that is, "O theres other games in development with the engine right now that are going to be amazing". Well until those games actuallysurface, and are at the very least DECENT, you cant say the engine is good. Plus if all these hero engine games are so damn amazing why are none of you talking about them?

     

    -The main fact here is that they are going the EXACT same route as TOR, Voice acting included, even look at the screenshots it doesnt look gritty or raw like and ES game should, it looks like....a HERO ENGINE game.

     

    Bad pick for a engine, sorry but anyone denying that isnt a Elder Scrolls fan. And yes I can say that because the core of what the elder scrolls is about is a Mature, Skill-based action fantasy adventure, non of which will be provided by this terrible engine.

     

     

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member
    War uses the gamebryo engine like rift, oblivion and fallout3
  • gostlygostly Fayetteville, NCPosts: 134Member

    Originally posted by jiveturkey12

    -The main fact here is that they are going the EXACT same route as TOR, Voice acting included, even look at the screenshots it doesnt look gritty or raw like and ES game should, it looks like....a HERO ENGINE game.

     

    Bad pick for a engine, sorry but anyone denying that isnt a Elder Scrolls fan. And yes I can say that because the core of what the elder scrolls is about is a Mature, Skill-based action fantasy adventure, non of which will be provided by this terrible engine. 

    Yesterday I was excited but today I saw the screenshots and that ruined it for me. I'm so sick of the cartoony graphic style and from elder scrolls of all games? What were they thinking?

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  • dontadowdontadow Detroit, MIPosts: 1,044Member

    This is my problem, if you don't create your own engine for a game you are essentially copying and modifiying what other people are doing. 

  • RelGnRelGn halalaPosts: 494Member

    Hero engine  gave me 15-35 fps with gtx 580 sli in swtor pvp.

    I dont want another hero engine mmo fail.

    Thanks a lot bethesda but with hero engine i ll just pass.

    Hail to Gw2

     

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  • cloud8521cloud8521 Toronto, ONPosts: 878Member

    http://www.overclock.net/t/1252768/agb-elder-scrolls-online-screenshots-leak

     

     

    it looks cool (graphicly) but i have a feeling it will feel like TOR...

     

    but  it looks nothing like TES, art style is why honestly. too clean too  cartoony.

     

    i always thought of TES as a  photorealistic game (well as close as the tech could get in early games)

  • paterahpaterah ThessalonikiPosts: 578Member

    Different devs utilize an engine differently, Mortal Online uses UE3 and it's probably the buggiest MMO in existence yet Tera uses the same and I believe most will agree that it runs like butter even many will do not like the actual game.

    The art does not look a lot like the TES games I'll give you that but then its probably their decision because it's an online game and they have to limit a few things.

  • WolvardsWolvards grants pass, ORPosts: 650Member

    Originally posted by reignjuste

    Hero engine  gave me 15-35 fps with gtx 580 sli in swtor pvp.

    I dont want another hero engine mmo fail.

    Thanks a lot bethesda but with hero engine i ll just pass.

    Hail to Gw2

     

    My AMD 6 core gtx 560 ti was getting on average of 50 fps.

    Hero engine ran great on my computer.

    The "Youtube Pro": Someone who watches video's on said subject, and obviously has a full understanding of what is being said about such subject.

  • toddzetoddze no where, OKPosts: 2,155Member

    I cannot beilieve for the life of me people actually defending the Hero Engine. It is not an engine that a major game company should be using to be making an MMO with a high profile title like TES. Nor is it an engine that a true TES fan should be ok with. Shame on you fans for defending that POS engine. I said the exact same thing soon as I heard TOR was using it, and that was well before that ship set sail. 

    The Hero engine is a GREAT engine for indie companys to get their foot in the door with an MMO game.

    Theres no bigger TES fan than me but this hero engine is red flag #1, and the sh^t I read in the magazine article is red flag #2. I guess if someone likes cheesy linear over done themeparks they should be happy, they will get another 90 day'er. I hope to god I am wrong, god do I ever hope I am wrong, I have never wanted to be more wrong, but I am a realist, not a fanboy nor a troll, I vowed to never let my fan status cloud my judgment again. All I can say is I am far from impressed from what I have seen. 

    Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
    Now Playing: N/A
    Worst MMO: FFXIV
    Favorite MMO: FFXI

  • niceguy3978niceguy3978 Gainesville, FLPosts: 2,000Member

    Originally posted by Vorthanion

    Originally posted by revy66


    Originally posted by Vorthanion


    Originally posted by Shodanas

    @OP & and the other doombringers swarming the TES forum since yesterday:

    So, a TES MMO is announced and although we don't have anything solid about the game yet you come here and bitch because you don't like the engine it's build on. I don't know if TES online will be a good or bad game, with ZeniMax chances are 50 / 50, but i do know that it will be a much better place to be without the likes of you. 

    Also, you should check the engine's website and try to comprehend it's many features before leaving your ignorant, spiteful and self-righteous comments here. 

    Having played WAR and TOR, I am not impressed with the engine nor its capabilities.  You sound just as self righteous as the ones you disparage.  We have plenty of solid evidence of the features and direction of the game, thanks to scanned pages of the Infogamer article, the link even present on this site no less.  Maybe you need to catch up with the rest of us before you make yourself look really silly.

    WAR did not use Hero engine...

    Yes it did.  The developers said so in interviews that they were using a heavily modified Hero engine.

    No, they did not use the hero engine.  They used a heavily modified version of their Dark Age of Camelot engine, which was released well before hero engine had even been thought of.

    Edit:  as the poster above said, the engine for WAR is the Gamebryo engine.

  • KuinnKuinn MestaPosts: 2,093Member

    Edit: Removed the unneccesary comment, wasnt aimed at anyone specifically, sorry. - Unreal engine is the prime example for being an engine that is used in horrible piece of shit games where nothing seem to work and also on some of the best games ever created where wine and honey rains from sky and chocolate grows in the bushes.

     

    I dont like hero engine because of my experiences with it, but I have no idea if Zenimax will have those same problems with the engine if any at all like what TOR has (or had in some cases) for example. I highly doubt there's much in common with TOR hero engine and ESO hero engine, other than the name, only time will tell.

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