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The Elder Scrolls Online: What the Elder Scrolls Online Means for MMORPGs

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  • Nebula131Nebula131 HernePosts: 22Member
    i am... reserved optimistic..we have seen enough SP-gone-MMO go bad..i expect the worst, but hope for the best :)
  • ClassicstarClassicstar rotjeknorPosts: 2,690Member


    Originally posted by heartless
    I love The Elder Scrolls games. I still play Skyrim often. However, I don't see how they can translate the freedom of a TES game into an MMORPG.
    Will definitely keep an eye out for this.


    Easy only way to go is Elder Scroll SANDBOX no other way.

    If bethesda desides to going themepark then they alinate the 10s of millions Skyrim/oblivion/morrowind fans, i very doub they goone go themepark route.

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  • NildenNilden null, NBPosts: 1,284Member Uncommon
    While exciting news it's not exactly surprising. With no details it will be interesting to see what happens.

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  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Webster, MAPosts: 4,813Member

    Originally posted by Classicstar

     




    Originally posted by heartless

    I love The Elder Scrolls games. I still play Skyrim often. However, I don't see how they can translate the freedom of a TES game into an MMORPG.

    Will definitely keep an eye out for this.




     



    Easy only way to go is Elder Scroll SANDBOX no other way.

    If bethesda desides to going themepark then they alinate the 10s of millions Skyrim/oblivion/morrowind fans, i very doub they goone go themepark route.

    Thats what bothers me about them saying they want to make the best MMO ever lol. Themepark is the larger audience by far, that doesn't mean there aren't a large number of sandbox fans like me but when your shooting for Top MMO us sandbox fans generally aren't the target audience :(

  • PuremallacePuremallace Phoenix, AZPosts: 1,856Member

    Originally posted by Classicstar



    Easy only way to go is Elder Scroll SANDBOX no other way.

    If bethesda desides to going themepark then they alinate the 10s of millions Skyrim/oblivion/morrowind fans, i very doub they goone go themepark route.

    Have you played Skyrim? Sit there and look at it and tell me how it is remotely possible to make it into a mmorpg? The housing would have to be instanced...they would need respawn timers...I guess you could turn some stuff into 5 man instances..there is no pvp at all, so you have to add it

  • MNZebaMNZeba Jackson, NJPosts: 254Member
    I'ts about time!
  • EmwynEmwyn MoatshirePosts: 546Member
    YAY!! Can't wait to hear more image

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  • dontadowdontadow Detroit, MIPosts: 1,044Member Common

    Not sure how people equate a game with 1000s of quests to a sandbox game with nothing but monsters and a sword.  It's clear the game would have to be themepark, like any good MMO< with sandbox elements.  

    Though how they will be able to translate the fact that, in skyrim i cna go everywhere the world levels to me to an MMO where players levels matter in terms of grouping and doing quests. 

  • UnlightUnlight Ottawa, ONPosts: 2,540Member

    Originally posted by Classicstar

     




    Originally posted by Puremallace



    Originally posted by dontadow Redirect your anger at Final Fantasy, they started it.  Everyone else is just jumping on the cash cow.   


    Yeah and we saw how well they did on FF14. That company destroyed their reputation thanks to trying to cash in. Bioware completely destroyed their reputation also.


     

    But none of the traditional solo RPGS have sold so many copys as Skyrim and zenimax is a LONGTERM partner with Bethesda and by far one BEST compare to EA/bioware or Square/enix.

    Yeah, but here's the elephant in the room that no ones wants to talk about:  Bethesday releases buggy games. 

    With a single player game, which has a huge and creative modding community to pick up the slack, a messy release is tolerable.  With MMOs, it's not -- at least not the level of the problems that Beth games are prone to seeing at release.  Not to mention, Beth hasn't been exactly quick off the blocks to make fixes to Skyrim, nor were they particularly forthcoming in even acknowledging them.  That kind of thing won't fly very far with the MMO community, where people most often end up paying a subscription fee while they wait for bug fixes to be made.

    Frankly, I would have preferred another SP or better, a multiplayer game from them instead of an MMO.  They don't seem like a company well-suited to the medium.

  • DAS1337DAS1337 Parma, OHPosts: 2,404Member

    Originally posted by Puremallace

    Originally posted by Classicstar



    Easy only way to go is Elder Scroll SANDBOX no other way.

    If bethesda desides to going themepark then they alinate the 10s of millions Skyrim/oblivion/morrowind fans, i very doub they goone go themepark route.

    Have you played Skyrim? Sit there and look at it and tell me how it is remotely possible to make it into a mmorpg? The housing would have to be instanced...they would need respawn timers...I guess you could turn some stuff into 5 man instances..there is no pvp at all, so you have to add it

    There is already respawning in Skyrim.  If that's your biggest obstacle, I don't think there will be a problem.  Sadly, it's not.

     

    They could do arena combat with no looting, similar to Oblivion.  I would be very upset if you could do it from anywhere in the world though.  You should be forced to travel to the arena to fight without consequence.

     

    Housing doesn't have to be instanced.  It just needs to be designed properly.  If Archage can do it with CryEngine 3, then I don't see a problem.  Just put restriction on placement.  It's a hard coded barrier that sandbox fans don't like.  Though, I don't think any of us want house mazes out in the wilderness.

     

    Public dungeons are a must.  Though, I can see some instanced story content that would work.  As long as it's not intrusive to the core of the game.

     

    None of these are the titles biggest problems.  These problems will include combat style, FPV or TPV, theft, stealth, AI, full loot, partial loot, or no loot, PvP mechanics, death penalty, and balancing issues.  Some hard decisions are on the horizon for this development team.  They will take a beating from gamers no matter their choice. 

  • VocadiVocadi SH, MIPosts: 205Member

    Originally posted by dontadow

    Not sure how people equate a game with 1000s of quests to a sandbox game with nothing but monsters and a sword.  It's clear the game would have to be themepark, like any good MMO< with sandbox elements.  

    Though how they will be able to translate the fact that, in skyrim i cna go everywhere the world levels to me to an MMO where players levels matter in terms of grouping and doing quests. 

    Well, they certainly did a botched job of level scaling in both Oblivion and Skyrim so heres hoping they can hit the sweet spot in ESO.

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  • dontadowdontadow Detroit, MIPosts: 1,044Member Common

    actually there's tons of pvp in elder scroll in hindsight, i don't play like that, just don't like the idea of killing innocent people in town cause you can.  But you can steal and kill from people, though with consequences.  

    Exploration though is skyrim's only great ability.  It has horrible combat/ collision (always have) and not the smartest AI.  Where it shines is really good long quest lines and the ability to go anywhere whenever and do anything sans levels.  (the game levels around u).

    I don't see how u can do that today.  

  • WolvardsWolvards grants pass, ORPosts: 650Member
    I just ask for one thing, BRING BACK THE STEALTH IN STEALTHERS!!!!

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  • GrayGhost79GrayGhost79 Webster, MAPosts: 4,813Member

    Originally posted by Unlight

    Originally posted by Classicstar

     




    Originally posted by Puremallace



    Originally posted by dontadow Redirect your anger at Final Fantasy, they started it.  Everyone else is just jumping on the cash cow.   


    Yeah and we saw how well they did on FF14. That company destroyed their reputation thanks to trying to cash in. Bioware completely destroyed their reputation also.


     

    But none of the traditional solo RPGS have sold so many copys as Skyrim and zenimax is a LONGTERM partner with Bethesda and by far one BEST compare to EA/bioware or Square/enix.

    Yeah, but here's the elephant in the room that no ones wants to talk about:  Bethesday releases buggy games. 

    With a single player game, which has a huge and creative modding community to pick up the slack, a messy release is tolerable.  With MMOs, it's not -- at least not the level of the problems that Beth games are prone to seeing at release.  Not to mention, Beth hasn't been exactly quick off the blocks to make fixes to Skyrim, nor were they particularly forthcoming in even acknowledging them.  That kind of thing won't fly very far with the MMO community, where people most often end up paying a subscription fee while they wait for bug fixes to be made.

    Frankly, I would have preferred another SP or better, a multiplayer game from them instead of an MMO.  They don't seem like a company well-suited to the medium.

    Actually thats not the only Elephant in the room. When development started on this MMO pay to play was still the standard for AAA titles.

     

    Will it have a monthly fee and how will the landscape be for p2p MMO's come 2013?

    It's hitting after a massive shift in the genre as well. Will it be dated compared to everything out and coming out?

    Many elephants in this room, many elephants.

     

  • berlightberlight almadaPosts: 156Member

    There it goes, the end of the best franchise in years.When someone have an Eureka idea like this is always the end for the game.

    Be prepared for the apocalypse of elder scrolls.

    *cries*

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  • DAS1337DAS1337 Parma, OHPosts: 2,404Member

    Originally posted by dontadow

    actually there's tons of pvp in elder scroll in hindsight, i don't play like that, just don't like the idea of killing innocent people in town cause you can.  But you can steal and kill from people, though with consequences.  

    Exploration though is skyrim's only great ability.  It has horrible combat/ collision (always have) and not the smartest AI.  Where it shines is really good long quest lines and the ability to go anywhere whenever and do anything sans levels.  (the game levels around u).

    I don't see how u can do that today.  

    That's not realisticly possible because there is more than one player.  The world can't level based on all of the players.  Though, area strengths based on overall player strength in the area is an interesting idea.

     

    ESO would have to make level based area's within their world.  You can throw in monkey wrenches here and there (Anyone remember the griffins in EQ?), but it will probably have to be done by area level. 

  • jiveturkey12jiveturkey12 You havent heard of it, FLPosts: 1,262Member

    To be honest,

     

    This is the game I would play no matter how shitty it ended up being. Sad right? Im just that big of an Elder Scrolls fan.

     

    If it turns out to be TOR with Orcs I dont give a shit because the fact that im going to be able to reacreate all my characters from previous elder scrolls games and roleplay them with friends chracters is all ive ever wanted in an MMO.

  • VocadiVocadi SH, MIPosts: 205Member

    Originally posted by jiveturkey12

    To be honest,

     

    This is the game I would play no matter how shitty it ended up being. Sad right? Im just that big of an Elder Scrolls fan.

     

    If it turns out to be TOR with Orcs I dont give a shit because the fact that im going to be able to reacreate all my characters from previous elder scrolls games and roleplay them with friends chracters is all ive ever wanted in an MMO.

    Not sad. I think I would do the same. Heres hoping the developers take something away from the recent MMO failures in order to avoid another sinking ship..

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  • termsytermsy wyoming, PAPosts: 100Member
    AAA Sandbox MMO with open world PvP? Sign me the HELL UP.
  • dontadowdontadow Detroit, MIPosts: 1,044Member Common

    Originally posted by DAS1337

    Originally posted by dontadow

    actually there's tons of pvp in elder scroll in hindsight, i don't play like that, just don't like the idea of killing innocent people in town cause you can.  But you can steal and kill from people, though with consequences.  

    Exploration though is skyrim's only great ability.  It has horrible combat/ collision (always have) and not the smartest AI.  Where it shines is really good long quest lines and the ability to go anywhere whenever and do anything sans levels.  (the game levels around u).

    I don't see how u can do that today.  

    That's not realisticly possible because there is more than one player.  The world can't level based on all of the players.  Though, area strengths based on overall player strength in the area is an interesting idea.

     

    ESO would have to make level based area's within their world.  You can throw in monkey wrenches here and there (Anyone remember the griffins in EQ?), but it will probably have to be done by area level. 


     

    You could create asystem where each creature reacts differently dependong on the level of the player hittin them? does that make sense. OF course this is theory game craft. I don't eve nnow how possible that programming is

  • AtanosAtanos topoliniaPosts: 20Member
    By Azura!!!!  by Azura!!!  By Azura!!!!
  • arche22arche22 Prineville, ORPosts: 12Member
    Ugh, please no, stop this right now. Do not ruin the TES name. There is no concievable way you can keep the same quality, don't do this, I beg you!
  • dezlandezlan Rainy River, ONPosts: 2Member
    I really wish the combat in the MMO could similar to that of the games. It won't feel like TES if they cop out and do the standard hotkey bar and auto attack that seems to be the go-to system these days...

     

  • DAS1337DAS1337 Parma, OHPosts: 2,404Member

    Originally posted by dontadow



    Originally posted by DAS1337




    Originally posted by dontadow

    actually there's tons of pvp in elder scroll in hindsight, i don't play like that, just don't like the idea of killing innocent people in town cause you can.  But you can steal and kill from people, though with consequences.  





    Exploration though is skyrim's only great ability.  It has horrible combat/ collision (always have) and not the smartest AI.  Where it shines is really good long quest lines and the ability to go anywhere whenever and do anything sans levels.  (the game levels around u).





    I don't see how u can do that today.  

    That's not realisticly possible because there is more than one player.  The world can't level based on all of the players.  Though, area strengths based on overall player strength in the area is an interesting idea.

     

    ESO would have to make level based area's within their world.  You can throw in monkey wrenches here and there (Anyone remember the griffins in EQ?), but it will probably have to be done by area level. 






     

    You could create asystem where each creature reacts differently dependong on the level of the player hittin them? does that make sense. OF course this is theory game craft. I don't eve nnow how possible that programming is

    In theory, yes.

     

    In execution?  That's a lot of work to do.

  • rguilbertrguilbert Key West, FLPosts: 107Member

    IF they can pull this off, and create a true TES MMO, then I'd not only buy the newest possible rig to run it as well as possible, but I'd buy a new house closer to the servers.

     

    I am a bit sceptical, but a combination of TES and DAOC could be the holy grail of MMOs. 

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