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Open Beta(trial)? Blizzard was honest with Diablo 3, how about Arenanet???
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Considering GW2 is an MMORPG and Diablo 3 is not, I do not feel like that is a fair measurement of the "honesty" of the companies. Diablo 3 is coming out in a few weeks and GW 2 is still months away probably. They are offering hundreds of thousands of people beta access this weekend without an NDA (this far out from the release date,i might add) Not to mention all the information coming out of the recent press betas.....they have always been transparent when it comes to what the game they are making has in it. You don't have to pay for it to try it if you don't want to (get access from a friend), but people will still be there so you can get an idea of what your friends think of the game.
You cant compare a 2 hours long demo run of D3 to what GW2 can offer. It still amazes me that people continue to put these 2 together. While D3 is a dungeon crawler with the online part glued onto because of the real money shop and nothing else (the game can be a single player or at most a Co-Op experience soooooooo easy), GW2 is a fully fledged MMORPG game that is 99% different from D3...you dont even control you char. in the same way.
Only time, sales and subs (active player base for GW2) will decide whether GW2 was a success; comparatively speaking to WOW, SWTOR and Rift (only true games of consequence).
As for open betas... Diablo 3 is 24 days from being released, its about time they had an open beta!
I spotted it, but remember that part of the troll initiative is to put people on edge so they attack each other. That way they can crow about the "awful" GW2 community. It's actually one of their more effective attack strategies.
I think that depends on the companies. Most s c betas are more like demos or trials. And not really intended to be serious beta testing intended to help and support the developers efforts. Only people that they really trust and know are experienced are allowed to participate in that kind of beta. Of course anyone can help stress test. But if we are talking about feed back and suggestions that devs really are interested in. Beta weekends are not intended for that.
Sometimes there are beta weekends, closed beta and internal beta(or they could perhaps call it VIP beta).
I'm sorry, completely missed the humor haha
^This exactly.
It's the Wounded Gazelle Gambit.
And it's cowardly and despicable
90% of mmo's that come out have a open beta but just liek diablo and many others did the open beta is not until very close to the release date. They reward there pre-purchase with close beta weekends and if the gw 1 fanboys are so loyal like ur self, then u wouldnt have a issue cause you would also pre-purchase. The facts are there is no release date on thsi game so its safe to say the game is not coming out soon which is why u put a NDA on it.
Also as much as we want to say d3 is a mmo its more of a dungeon crawler at this point with friends considering the new system d2 was closer to the mmo state of mind of making public friends etc of course things could change.
Umm i have done it in the past with other games.. I have yet to preorder GW2 but i dont want to burn out on it before its even released so im not worried. but as for preorders 5 dollars down from gamestop gets it preordered witch will work for the beta weekeds.. ( just like it always has)
I think yoyu are misinformed about a few things.....
Closed Beta means :That you are under a strict NDA (Non-Disclosure Act) you can collect all the information you want but without press access or permission from the publishers can't post the information in a public settting
Open Beta means that you are not under a NDA and can discuss freely.
Now as for GW1 you can go do a trial and have been able to do a trial for an extremely long time, its your fault for not realizing this. Think of GW2 like any other game you buy similiar price, and no monthly subscription I am sure that there are console games people paid 60 bucks for played for 2 weeks and never will play again, so whats the difference
There are times when one must ask themselves is it my passion that truly frightens you? Or your own?
The Troll Initiative!!! Sounds like an Everquest expansion.
Actually, pre-ordering will not get you beta weekend access, only pre-purchasing. The only benefit I know of for pre-ordering is a one day headstart, as opposed to a three day headstart for pre-purchase.
Diablo3 is at final stage of beta, GW2 is at the begin of beta stage. SO maybe they will do it later, i personally don't know the anwser to you question OP.
There's more than enough information on this game for a love/hate or like/dislike choice by now. If you "don't feel the game" at this point, most likely it's not for you.
Beta Weekends, which are the only announced Beta Test events thus far, are mainly for those that Pre-purchased. Because it's a stress test period to actually test the server stability for a ton of people....for those that actually want to and have purchased the game. Arena Net are pleasing their actual customers, not those people that are on the fense and want a free game play experience.
And what does honesty have to do with a trial. That's not honest, that's free-beeies. Honesty is saying one thing, and holding to it. For example....being DISHONEST is saying that your game would have PvP, then changing your mind and saying it's not going to have it for some time until after the product launched (i.e. Blizzard on Diablo III).
You're free to sign up for beta, which everyone will very likely eventually get in. D3 has allowed an open beta a mere 3 weeks before the game is released. When GW2 gets to that stage and you still haven't gotten into beta (not like you actually want to try the game anyway--you clearly don't, based on your posts--but just for the sake of argument), then this complaint might be valid.
Praising D3's "beta" as an example of allowing everyone to see the game so they can make an informed decision is also a laughable argument considering how little of the game they've allowed players to play. They give you about 1 hour's worth of gameplay on a ridiculously easy, face-mashing difficulty. Not only that, but the content doesn't even differ from the first hour of D1: help Deckard Cain and kill the Skeleton King. So, we can conclude that we either A) see virtually nothing of the whole game, or
the game IS virtually nothing.
If/when you get to participate in a GW2 beta, you will get to see MUCH more content than D3 has allowed players to see thus far, which is completely counter to your informed decision argument for the two games.
They're already doing it in a way. In PAX East back on february they didn't have a stand, but the anet people were walking around giving away beta keys, and they were present on the mmorpg.com panel, and from what I've heard, each seat had a beta key taped under it (someone on reddit.com claimed to have about 40 keys that he got after the event from people that didn't check under their seats and gave them away to people that PMed him), plus more they were giving away on the exit door. I've also seen several sweepstakes on twitter giving away beta key, but none officially from anet, so maybe those were just beta keys obtained from PAX.
What can men do against such reckless hate?
Seems to me you have quite a few options. You can rely on the gameplay videos, etc., but you've said you don't want to do that so that perfectly reasonable route is out of the picture. You can sign up for the BWEs and hope to get in on one. It's a possibilty, though probably kind of slim that you will actually get in. You could wait until they announce a fully open beta, if they do - we don't know if they will or not. Or you could wait until the game is released, I'm betting they'll offer a free trial of the game through their website. At least, that's what they ended up doing with GW1.
I do have to say this though....betas are not a trial. They aren't there to appease your need to try out the game before you buy it. They are there for the devs to figure out what bugs may be in the game and what kind of polish they need to put on it yet. Do you never buy a game without playing a trial first? In this case, it's like buying a console game that you haven't tried, since there's not subscription to go with it. In fact, most MMOs would fall under that description since most of the subs offer the first month free when buying the box.
I wonder though...judging by your post, you assume that Arenanet is maybe just out to rip people off. This in the face of all the facts out there about the game and the rep of that company. Are you just maybe trolling or not able to ask the question a little more objectively?
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???
Be afraid.....The dragons are HERE!
Neither of you can speak in black and white language as every game will treat such terminology and definitions differently. Tera, for instance, also required GW2's concept of "pre-purchasing" in order to participate in some of the earlier beta events, even if they did not call it so (they may have, I do not recall). I paid for the game in full, upfront, from the en-masse website just so I could try the game out. Once I got my fill of the beta (aka after about 2 hours of straight up kill quests), I sent them a customer service ticket requesting my service be cancelled, which they promptly did along with fully refunding my money.
For GW2, your pre-purchase money is apparently not refundable. You are informed as such upon making your purchase. Pre-orders are different, and are as Unlight said.
I am not trolling at all.
If i like the game i will buy it. If i dont like the game i will not.
The point is, i want to try it myself.
And yeah, not allowing me to try and force me to buy it, make me really suspicious, especially after i lost money on a few mmos this last years.
Don't play then nobody is forcing you to buy the game.
Point is you are asking for information that no one knows yet.
In order to play right now, you have to pre-purchase.
No one knows if there is going to be a truly open beta or not.
It really is that simple.
You should be suspicious. At some point they want you to give them money to play. Greedy bastards.
But umm... no one is forcing you to buy it. I mean, if you want to play it, you'll probably have to buy it.
In order to play right now, you have to pre-purchase.
No one knows if there is going to be a truly open beta or not.
It really is that simple.
Thats why i ask, maybe some one knows and can share that info.
It's curous, because you have previously stated:
"I have waited for GW2. However, i will not buy it because i dont like what i will get. But that's just me.
I think lots of peoples will buy it expecting next gen mmo. But they will be disappointed as soon as they reach max level.
I dont want to turn away fanboys, but for me the game fail because:
- instances everywhere
- delevel/uplevel
- no world pvp/ open conflict
- pve only in hub zones
- solo unfriendly
- lame combat system with active dodge ( dungeon with no tank/healer are just way to chaotic). this will draw many many players away, not just me.
- no raids??"
It appears that you already made your mind up, why start a whole new thread about it unless you have some other agenda? Also, you are mixing fact and opinion, and even some of your "facts" are just plain wrong.
"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
This is open to anyone who signed up for the beta, so you could "try before you buy." Problem is, they are giving first dibs to those that pre-ordered it, and iwth all the pre-orders it will likely be hard to get in otherwise.