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"I played the game for 3 and a half minutes - And it's the worst thing I've ever seen"
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I havn't played the latest version, no. It sounds like they are addressing those problems a bit though, which is good. But I did get to BAM quests in the older beta weekends so I know what they are like, I had the patience to try the game out properly and I'm not bashing it at all. I think the combat is really good but the rest of the game, for me, seems to be a little too late to the party. For anyone who hasn't played as many MMOs I think it will be a great game.
I must be an idiot, because I'm honestly having a hard time understanding what you've wrote :
"I've never played an MMO long term where the first hour of the game didn't impress me etc."
"I've played twenty MMO's where the first hour of the game didn't impress me, then carried on playing it and changed my mind."
To me these seem like contradictory statements.
But, yeah man if you like to make statements and to back them up call people idiots as a form of reasonable discussion than go for it - Your opinion isn't worth anything to me.
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Ok i'll say it. I may get flamed for this but i'll say it anyway.
Has ever occured to you all that, maybe, some of the guy judging Tera a bad game are so bent to hate it cause they couldn't gather the skill required to play the game?
I don't mean the old discussion this game require skill while X don't etc.
I mean the actuall skill to be able to move and fight in a proficient way. Of course i don't mean all of them, but someone...
After all for a player used to play a tab targetiing game can be quite a hard step.
For example I started to play tera with some friends, the wife of one of them couldn't grasp the combat system and stopped playing.
No, that's not really it at all. I went into the game hoping for a new PVE based game to play, but found myself more annoyed than intrigued by the combat, and when you take out the combat, which is supposed to be the main selling point out, it's a WoW clone, without the style.
You can read my post history, I am not a GW2 fan boy. I played more D3 this weekend than I did Tera.
This. To make it worse, they bandaid patched a lame tutorial on top of their already lame tutorial. Instead of replacing the island of the dawn, it's required in addition to it.
One of the biggest gripes people had is the starter island sucked. Why they thought it would be a good idea to make it take longer to get there is beyond me. Most people want to get through that asap. Furthermore showing you the game @ 20, and then kicking you down to lvl 1 again, is kind of lame & a bit of a tease tbh. Not a very good first impression, I'd say.
Having played the game in an earlier beta, though, I don't think most of the people who don't like the starter area will magically like the game if they managed to get to lvl 20+. While the combat does change significantly (you actually have enough skills to do some small range of tactics), the rest of the game really doesn't. Yes, there are BAMs, but if unless you didn't know about your dodge / block / evade buttons, it kinda starts to feel the same after a while. After all, taking 10 minutes to defeat a badass monster is epic, grinding that is a headache.
I don't doubt that many negative reviews about lots of MMO's are more motivated by reasons more complex than the simple quality of a game.
Glaring example of this is a Guild Wars 2 fanatic.
As far as the skill level goes, given that they don't get past level 10 (And the early game monsters are easily beatable by spamming your main attack I don't think it would be that.
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Silliness aside, let's point out how to design a game.
This game is about grouping up and taking on fun group content - Accept it for what it is or move along.
If that's the selling point of the game... put it in right from the start. Don't make people play 30 hours of boring content before introducing them to the hook. Seriously, is that so difficult to figure out?
The lvl 20 thing was more about letting you experience what your class might play like without having to actually get to lvl 20. Way over your head apparently... lol.
I don't mean they failed at killing mobs, that's impossibile in the starting island.
I mean they just couldn't adapt to the gameplay. Mhh like a pair of uncomfortable shoes
I found the level 20 tutorial to be useful in deciding what class to play, but hey that's just me. I'm sure it annoyed the hell out of everyone else who played it
. I also didn't find it to be lame, when I played the beat weekends I really didn't have any context to who the Elleon guy was, the tutorial tied it in for me.
In terms of the tutorial I will say
- Too much ladder climbing
- Too few monsters
- Too much walking
If you took out one of the sets of ladders and threw in some more monsters I'd be happy with it.
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This isn't metaphysics it's a video game.
How long should a person play a video game before they say "Yeah, I'm having a lot of fun"?
I live and work in the real world and this has nothing to do with entitlement. It's like you're blaming people for not liking this game. Back in my day we played pong on an Atari 2600 and damnit we appreciated it so stop complaining!
Yes, of course, some people are probably trolling the game with their posts, and that's not OK. Should people just try harder to like it? Things have changed since vanilla WoW. I ground rep in heroic Shattered Halls for weeks for a purple rep dagger, I know about "working" for something in an MMO. Yet now there is competition and choice and consumers have perhaps become more discriminating. Some folks will call game players these days Mountain Dew addled ADHD twitch gamers. Maybe there's some truth to that. But shouldn't game companies identify what their target audiences are looking for and try and make a product geared to that?
"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
Well, you've totally misinterpreted everything I was saying, or at least trying to say.
This is exactly what's wrong with the MMO community. "Give me the goods now or go home".
Please do tell, because it feels like I nailed it. I went by what you wrote, sorry if there was some secret hidden message I missed. I'm not fluent in troll.
I can usually accurately determine if a game is for me or not in a few hours or so. I am a bit more thorough than that though. I try many, if not all the classes because I've played games where I enjoyed only one class.
The starting island didn't bother me. Had nothing to do with me passing on the game. It was the combat. It wasn't fluid enough for me, especially being an action based game. The constant pausing on skills and normal attacks, especially trying to strafe, was annoying. I've played smoother games that weren't action based, lol. It is a shame, I was liking the warrior, just too cumbersome.
The lack of resists (elemental, magic) kind of makes the sorc a bit bland for me. I did like the archer, but again the movement during combat. I probably could have put up with it, but without some other factor to keep me in the game, I shouldn't have to.
Starting areas are usually bland, and I am not a big fan of quests, but I don't make my determination off of that. I judge the combat. If that doesn't draw me in, there is no point. The one thing I did like about the Tera introduction, is it started you off at level 20 with a variety of skills. Gives a good look at what combat will be like. Even without that though, can still tell a couple levels in. Sluggish fighting is not going to improve with more skills, just going to get worse.
Overall, found Tera not for me and I could have said that after a couple hours.
Tera was never meant to be a game for everyone, I have stated that before. But, when you look at all those Guild Wars 2 fan boys taking part in Tera's open beta just to demoralize people from even enjoying Tera is kind of sad. If that's the kind of people going to play Guild Wars 2, I don't know how fun the game is going to be in the end.
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Honestly i knew within minutes the game was not anything special to me and by 6 hours of an all to familiar yawnfest it was off my hard drive..
Is it a bad game?
No, it is not a bad game as much as it is just not my thing, it was the f2p style linear, generic questing and an art style thats not to my liking more than anything else..
The game ran really well on my pc and had a ton of players in it many of whom seemed to be enjoying the game unfortunately i was not one of them....
Playing GW2..
It's a real shame when a blatent fanboi starts jumping on the posts they don't agree with and chooses the ignore the positive things I have said in other posts in the same thread. You certainly are fluent in troll my friend.
why are you so threatened by gw2?
I would say what is wrong with the MMO community is simpletons continue to buy crappy games and make excuses for the developers which enables more developers to make more crappy games.
In what other aspect of ANYTHING does a producer hide the best parts of their product from potential buyers?
How would you like to try a peice of cheesecake? Oh, yes, you have two eat off the top layer of dogshit before you get to the good part, but keep with it, it's going to be great eventually.
The alpha testers should have told them that the starting content for the game was dog shit, if they couldn't figure it out for themselves. It's good that they are reacting in an effort to get people to overcome the dogshit part with their new tutorial, but really what they should do is scrap the thing and do it right.
If the game gets good at level 20, make me level 20. If you don't feel like I've earned it, make level 20 like a hell level in Everquest, but for God's sake, don't expect me to slap down 50 bucks on poor design and implentation and hope that after 30 hours of wasting my time the game get's better. Why would I intentionally do that?
Thats not always the case mr. veteran. Especially since TERA wasn't originally made here, its quite the different case. The game really gets better the deeper you go and I think thats something alot of MMO's fail to capture.
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Maybe the metaphysics example was over your head. Study muffins for 10 hours, and then you tell me if you feel like an expert all things muffins. I forgot how forum people with no arguement tend to harp on semantics
. The logic remains, 10 hours doesn't make you an expert on anything, video game or not. 10 hours in WoW lets you know what the end game is like, right?
You weren't in the beta, and you're commenting like you know the game? Thanks for proving my point lol.