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Star Wars: The Old Republic: Subscriptions Declining Says Analyst
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SWTOR doesn't have 1.7 million subs, doesn't have 1.2 million, they are sitting on about 650k subs right now and it continues to drop. After the 6 month subs run out, and games like D3, TERA, GW2 and Secret World release SWTOR will be lucky to hold onto 300k subs.
If you look into it Subscriptions only make up 5% of EA's income. I really think that this is the new trend to make a single player game with little replayability and milk it for a year or two then either shut it down or go to F2P. This way people will move on to their next title, and they will make their profits in box sales all over again.
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
So we have an article that links ANOTHER website article as its source of info where the guy says it will happen on 4/9, then all of a sudden was pushed back? unreal.
It is my job to search facts. After numerous requests by my office, EA has responded by brushing it off as rumors, they did however acknowledge that they are not renewing quite a few contract jobs, but assured us it is standard operating procedure in software production. Supposedly after release the staff always sees a cut on contract employees. They did not state the number of contract jobs that they are not renewing.
Now the response I recieved was very vague in certain areas, and I believe it was part of a press package they sent out to a variety of business analyst and media outlets, yet I have to take into account they are not attempting to drive website traffic by this answer, whereas startupgrind.com IS trying to generate web traffic by their article.
You are clearly unfamiliar with EA's business practices then, if your unsure, look up a previous MMO from EA (Westwood) called Earth and Beyond, because EA don't do F2P, if SW;TOR should become unprofitable, which is something thats far from clear at this time, then EA will close it, taking a gamble that it might pay off in F2P mode would be .. unlikely.
But EA is already in the whole 250 million on this game. I"m sure that they probably had forcast 5 million (half of wow at least) or maybe even a quarter 2.5, to get their money back in a reasonable 5 year span. AT this rate, they are looking at at least double the time of whatever they forecast, and that equals 1k + jobs. All of the cuts weren't from swtor, which means they still think it will make money for them, just not in a reasonable amount of time to keep that 250 million sitting alone on the books.
Endgame wasn't their only problem, their entire system needed to be reworked.
Legacy should have been designed to include friends characters, creating a more multiplayer atmosphere. Instead, they insisted on players to lay more than one player and exhaust through their content. I liked instances in some parts, but they went int oinstance overload. And every quest didnt need a voice actor, that makes it harder and more expensive to add mother quests. Finally, they should have really done something with the combat. In the movies, there is no tank, healer and dps. I'm not saying copy GW2's approach, but make an approach that better resembled the KOTR games and the actual Star Wars lore. In the end the game felt like they squeezed a great IP into a cookie cutter model, released it years before it should have been released and added a cheap system to force players to play the game a half dozen time to experience any new content.
Sorry but it doesn't take an analyst to figure that one out :-)
If I was a "blogger" or "journalist" and went around declaring a rumor as "fact", I would be ashamed of myself. I may dislike EA, but when I speak of the lay-offs I make sure it is clear that it is a rumor as of right now. I do not go around stating it as "fact"
"EA is growing and looking to hire hundreds of people for our digital, console, mobile and social games. Like all game companies, we make occasional adjustments to resize teams as projects are completed and new priorities are established. Overall, we expect that headcount will be up at the end of this year."
I remember them pushing the VO bad and expecting people to just reroll and play all the classes too. I'm one of those people I don't like a lot of alts. I usually stick to one main chararcter, but have a few lowbie alts I use for other things like gathering, auction house mules, or just muling my stuff if there's no housing in a game. I may however end up making a few different classes in GW2 though because they all seem so unique, but I'm sure to find that one character I love so that I can stick with it.
What happens when you log off your characters????.....
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I'm actually surprised the loss isn't projected to be more, 1.2 mil wouldn't be a bad number by any stretch IMO. Compared to the last few years of releases, that's actually pretty damn healthy.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
With the licensing agreement with Lucas Arts could EA even shutdown the game?
I stand by my original SWTOR Guildmaster's Review!
Less than 1 million subs after the 6 month mark if they don't get some new content and tools in the game soon. Lots of PVP people cancelled due to the failure of rate warzones with Patch 1.2 as well.
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The Imperial Aces
Discord: https://discord.gg/CjBP4dc
at the meeting*
-they want more pvp things, dungeon finder and more races.
-ok lets give them a party hat.
-why?
-becouse noone asked for it.
-brilliant !
meh... anyways good game. sad about the community. its totally blocked by trolls.
I'm sorry I couldn't resist myself
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
I love you man. But yeah. SWTOR is not going to be a 'leading' mmo. WoW/Rift have that, and Eve for sandbox. GW2 is coming. And its bringing a storm!
Add to the fact that there's how many new MMO's coming out this year plus the likes of such games as D3.. I think 500K at the end of the year is about right.
Agreed. If NCSOFT brings ArchAge to the US and if it is developed/executed well enough it also has the chance of being a massive competitor to the other AAA games.
2013? I think he misstyped 2012. =P
Take a look at EA's Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning, it has gone F2P. Battlefield: Heroes is refered to as a F2P from EA game.
Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
As if it could exist, without being payed for.
F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
WAR didn't go F2P, the closest it has to that is a free tier 1 trial. You might be thinking of the spinoff WAR: Wrath of Heroes MOBA.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
First post says it all. In making SWTOR, they did not play to the strengths of the genre. Instead, they created a single player/co op game.
The MMO genre has amazing potential. It should stop trying to be something else and play to it's strengths, things single player and co op games can not do.
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Analyst pulls a bunch of uniformed crap out of their arse -- only EA knows the number of subs -- and, other than that it fits the dominant narrative here, this is news? [edited post]
I am still currentlyu subscribed, I think the only reason being is that I do two things: I play with my friend exclusivley (we dont play our chars without each other) making the sometimes annoying quests with walls of text and minutes of waiting more enjoyable, and then I also dont overplay it, I am level 36 and have been playing since day one, just taking my time.
The quote I used seems to be the most realistic, they really acted like the whole story thing was leaps and bounds beyond anything we had seen, when in reality it was just a bit better than lotros idea...or guild wars' idea.....or wait....I guess lots of MMOs have had similar story, perhaps not with as much dialoge options but hey..
TOR is a decent game, but its not cut out for the MMO community, it will take a smart f2p overhaul and some GOOD solid (rabid wow fan style) raiding to keep it alive.
Also on a third note.....the game engine they used to build the game was a terrible mistake, considering the numerous MMO's coming out this year alone, with their own unique, self created, and NEXT GEN game engines.
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Except you left out the fact that at the time of WoWs release there was a SHIT TON less people playing MMOs, a mere fraction of the number playing now. WoW opened up the market astronomically and if there was one thing WoW can claim being the most influencial in the MMO market it is that.
Any wats as for the fanboism vs hater pissing contest, wasn't it revealed that 250 mill was the cost of production or was that some anaylst or guru piping their guess in?