Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!

Fuzzy Avatars Solved! Please re-upload your avatar if it was fuzzy!

Newest STO lockbox. Ferengi Marauder

CacaphonyCacaphony Tacoma, WAPosts: 738Member

New STO lockbox

-Lobi Crystals that will be accepted as currency at a vendor that sells new specialty items.

"To increase the already amazing value of the Ferengi Lock Box, the Lobi Crystal Consortium (still a wholly-owned subsidiary of Quark Enterprises) will be opening an outpost on Drozana Station to accept Lobi Crystals in exchange for new, unique items not available anywhere else! This fully-stocked retail outlet will feature both functional and cosmetic items. Our first shipment of inventory includes items ranging from a Ferengi Shuttle Pod to non-combat pets, but we will be working with our suppliers to get regular updates of merchandise you won't want to miss!"

So, these lockboxes contain an extra currency for use at the Lobi Crystal Consortium.
Im not sure is this is better or worse than the Cardi lock boxes.


Do you guys think this time around, people get more value out of the lock-box?

Comments

  • khelbonkhelbon plaquemine, LAPosts: 102Member

    A little box can contain a whole ship or some new officers? I hope they put air holes in said box cause that would be kinda messed up =P

    The boxes contain some pretty good stuff IMO. I do not play the game but hey, the stuff sounds cool.

    image

  • ZekiahZekiah Aurora, COPosts: 2,499Member

    It's just another money grab, the odds of getting something useful are crap just like on the old ones. STO is run by a bunch of jack wagons, can't believe they pulled this again. Well, maybe I can lol.

    "Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  • ShardWarriorShardWarrior New York, NYPosts: 290Member

    This is no surprise.  As has been said ad nauseum since the lockboxes were introduced, they are not going anywhere and will get worse as time goes on.

     

    They ought to rename this game "Casino Online".

  • CacaphonyCacaphony Tacoma, WAPosts: 738Member

    Some thoughts from the STO boards about the Lobi Crystals.
    a definite scam
    the prices are extrememly high and this comment was from a STO developer (JamJamz).
    Lobi system= waste of resources
    Its not gambling
    It is gambling
    Breakdown or money spent/items recieved

    "For comparison, I just bought a year of WoW game time for $120. They release maybe $50 in pets, $100 in mounts, and $50 on an expansion every 18 months. The Ferengi jacket costs more than all of that to obtain at the average rate of Lobi crystal drops."

    So, someone has stated that the Ferengi jacket, at current rate of Lobi Crystal drops via the lockbox, costs more than a years sub to WOW and some other items from their shop. Holy hell. Frengi Jacket-huge cost

  • JYCowboyJYCowboy Northlake, TXPosts: 660Member

    Are there different grades of boxes?  The Cardi one had elite gold box that had a higher chance of dropping the ship.  Yes, its a FTP money grab with them selling the keys.

     

  • evictonevicton Warren, PAPosts: 398Member

    Originally posted by JYCowboy

    Are there different grades of boxes?  The Cardi one had elite gold box that had a higher chance of dropping the ship.  Yes, its a FTP money grab with them selling the keys.

     

    Yes there is a gold version. 

    The impact of these go well beyond the items in the boxes though, for me its the boxes themselves and their drop rate.

    Since they came out what thursday? I aleady have 20 lockboxes, sure they stack so their inventory impact isn't to bad either, but for everyone of those I could have gotten a drop I might have been able to use.

    I just came back to this guy to check out the changes, I was a preorder/beta player, subbed for a while after launch but never really played much. Those 20 drops of lockboxes I have gotten could have been upgrades instead there useless cash shop ads.

  • RohnRohn Saint Peters, MOPosts: 3,740Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by evicton

    Originally posted by JYCowboy

    Are there different grades of boxes?  The Cardi one had elite gold box that had a higher chance of dropping the ship.  Yes, its a FTP money grab with them selling the keys.

     

    Yes there is a gold version. 

    The impact of these go well beyond the items in the boxes though, for me its the boxes themselves and their drop rate.

    Since they came out what thursday? I aleady have 20 lockboxes, sure they stack so their inventory impact isn't to bad either, but for everyone of those I could have gotten a drop I might have been able to use.

    I just came back to this guy to check out the changes, I was a preorder/beta player, subbed for a while after launch but never really played much. Those 20 drops of lockboxes I have gotten could have been upgrades instead there useless cash shop ads.

     

    You're not missing out on potential upgrades, because they still drop normally.  The lockboxes also drop, and at a high rate.  They are annoying, but no big deal if you intend to discard them.

    Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.

  • evictonevicton Warren, PAPosts: 398Member

    Originally posted by Rohn

    Originally posted by evicton


    Originally posted by JYCowboy

    Are there different grades of boxes?  The Cardi one had elite gold box that had a higher chance of dropping the ship.  Yes, its a FTP money grab with them selling the keys.

     

    Yes there is a gold version. 

    The impact of these go well beyond the items in the boxes though, for me its the boxes themselves and their drop rate.

    Since they came out what thursday? I aleady have 20 lockboxes, sure they stack so their inventory impact isn't to bad either, but for everyone of those I could have gotten a drop I might have been able to use.

    I just came back to this guy to check out the changes, I was a preorder/beta player, subbed for a while after launch but never really played much. Those 20 drops of lockboxes I have gotten could have been upgrades instead there useless cash shop ads.

     

    You're not missing out on potential upgrades, because they still drop normally.  The lockboxes also drop, and at a high rate.  They are annoying, but no big deal if you intend to discard them.

    Unless the amount of drops you get lowers alot from levels 20-23 the amount of equipment I have been getting on a normal mission has gone down quite a bit since I started getting the lockboxes.

  • DraemosDraemos Antartica, AKPosts: 1,469Member

    Originally posted by Zekiah

    It's just another money grab, the odds of getting something useful are crap just like on the old ones. STO is run by a bunch of jack wagons, can't believe they pulled this again. Well, maybe I can lol.

    It's not just a money grab, it's a massive scam.

    They are hiding behind the lie that CBS required "rarity" to approve release of these ships, so they can put them at a ridiculously low drop rates and then massively overcharge for their masterkey system.  Then they flood the game w/ lockboxes (and I do mean flood, in 6 hours of gameplay I've gotten +30 boxes).  To open those lockboxes would cost me ~$40.

     

     









    Q: Why does this ship work differently from others in the game?

    A: We are using the Lock Box to release starships that normally could not be put into the game or the C-Store because it would not be IP appropriate to have them widely available. Rather than simply not have them in the game, we are using this alternate way to make something special available to the player base.

     

    I've been around marketing, it's a disgustingly dirty business, and this little ruse is as clear as day  This is the sort of backhanded halftruths companies use to twist a massive profit and make it seem like your helping your customers.  It's all smoke and mirrors.  Wait until they start releasing Romulan Birds of Prey that mirror the KDF's... complete w/ Battle Cloaks and Universal BO slots.

    It may be the most disgustingly greedy and unethical system I have ever seen in a Western MMO.

  • Darth_OsorDarth_Osor Mt Laurel, NJPosts: 1,089Member

    Originally posted by evicton

    I just came back to this guy to check out the changes, I was a preorder/beta player, subbed for a while after launch but never really played much. Those 20 drops of lockboxes I have gotten could have been upgrades instead there useless cash shop ads.

    I installed the game this weekend and played for the first time since launch month, just to check it out too.  Yeah I got plenty of those stupid boxes, but not much in the way of even vendor trash drops.  I also wondered if these boxes were taking the place of real drops.  Those boxes wouldn't be as bad if you could at least recycle them for ECs, but they just take up space.

    Considering those keys are $1.25 each (or $1.125 if you buy in bulk)...yeah total cash grab. 

  • ShardWarriorShardWarrior New York, NYPosts: 290Member

    Originally posted by Darth_Osor

    I installed the game this weekend and played for the first time since launch month, just to check it out too.  Yeah I got plenty of those stupid boxes, but not much in the way of even vendor trash drops.  I also wondered if these boxes were taking the place of real drops.  Those boxes wouldn't be as bad if you could at least recycle them for ECs, but they just take up space.

    Considering those keys are $1.25 each (or $1.125 if you buy in bulk)...yeah total cash grab. 

    Highlighted for emphasis.  That is how you know these boxes are a flagrant cash grab.  Why drop free loot if you can charge your players for it?

  • ZekiahZekiah Aurora, COPosts: 2,499Member

    Originally posted by ShardWarrior

    Originally posted by Darth_Osor

    I installed the game this weekend and played for the first time since launch month, just to check it out too.  Yeah I got plenty of those stupid boxes, but not much in the way of even vendor trash drops.  I also wondered if these boxes were taking the place of real drops.  Those boxes wouldn't be as bad if you could at least recycle them for ECs, but they just take up space.

    Considering those keys are $1.25 each (or $1.125 if you buy in bulk)...yeah total cash grab. 

    Highlighted for emphasis.  That is how you know these boxes are a flagrant cash grab.  Why drop free loot if you can charge your players for it?

    They're not reporting the odds of winning either. Yes, very flagrant.

    "Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  • AG-VukAG-Vuk Phoenix, AZPosts: 823Member Uncommon

    Did they at least stop with the message spam ?  Honestly Cryptic is walking a fine legal line, as to what consistitues gambling and game play. I think they've made just enough changes since the last fiasco , that they feel safe doing what they are currently doing. The worst part is the people that fork out the money for this game. People need to find a better cause to give your money to .

    image
  • ZekiahZekiah Aurora, COPosts: 2,499Member

    Originally posted by AG-Vuk

    Did they at least stop with the message spam ?  Honestly Cryptic is walking a fine legal line, as to what consistitues gambling and game play. I think they've made just enough changes since the last fiasco , that they feel safe doing what they are currently doing. The worst part is the people that fork out the money for this game. People need to find a better cause to give your money to .

    You can turn off the text spam but the graphic box spam litters your screen. Cryptic just can't get them to drop for loot fast enough.

    "Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  • staranstaran ottawa, ONPosts: 83Member Uncommon
    Any game with a lottery like this; stay away.
  • ShardWarriorShardWarrior New York, NYPosts: 290Member

    Originally posted by Zekiah

    You can turn off the text spam but the graphic box spam litters your screen. Cryptic just can't get them to drop for loot fast enough.

    Seems like they are slowly moving toward all drops being a "lockbox" type item as well.  I predict we will see Klingon, Romulan, Reman, Hirogen, Borg, Deferi, Tholian et. al. lockboxes in the near future, filling the already limited storage space available... leading to a C-Store purchase of more inventory slots.

     

    Total scam.

  • staranstaran ottawa, ONPosts: 83Member Uncommon
    Yeah lottery for kids!!!
  • Maaaaybe it would be acceptable if instead of 1 key for 100 CP (or about 1.25$ like Darth_Osor said) or the 10 pack for 900 CP, if 1 key would be 10 CP, and the 10 pack being 100 CP. Or better yet, how the keys dropping randomly like the lockboxes or being able to buy them with EC instead of CP?!

     

    Sucks, cause I really want that Marauder.

  • AG-VukAG-Vuk Phoenix, AZPosts: 823Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by misterbeefy

    Maaaaybe it would be acceptable if instead of 1 key for 100 CP (or about 1.25$ like Darth_Osor said) or the 10 pack for 900 CP, if 1 key would be 10 CP, and the 10 pack being 100 CP. Or better yet, how the keys dropping randomly like the lockboxes or being able to buy them with EC instead of CP?!

     

    Sucks, cause I really want that Marauder.

    F2P play means playing by the rules they establish and their prices. Good luck with that.

    image
  • WarmakerWarmaker San Diego, CAPosts: 2,231Member

    Originally posted by AG-Vuk

    Originally posted by misterbeefy

    Maaaaybe it would be acceptable if instead of 1 key for 100 CP (or about 1.25$ like Darth_Osor said) or the 10 pack for 900 CP, if 1 key would be 10 CP, and the 10 pack being 100 CP. Or better yet, how the keys dropping randomly like the lockboxes or being able to buy them with EC instead of CP?!

     

    Sucks, cause I really want that Marauder.

    F2P play means playing by the rules they establish and their prices. Good luck with that.

    But what if you're a regularly paying subscriber ("Gold" member... haha)?  Or a Lifetimer? image

    "I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)

  • AG-VukAG-Vuk Phoenix, AZPosts: 823Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Warmaker

    Originally posted by AG-Vuk

    Originally posted by misterbeefy

    Maaaaybe it would be acceptable if instead of 1 key for 100 CP (or about 1.25$ like Darth_Osor said) or the 10 pack for 900 CP, if 1 key would be 10 CP, and the 10 pack being 100 CP. Or better yet, how the keys dropping randomly like the lockboxes or being able to buy them with EC instead of CP?!

     

    Sucks, cause I really want that Marauder.

    F2P play means playing by the rules they establish and their prices. Good luck with that.

    But what if you're a regularly paying subscriber ("Gold" member... haha)?  Or a Lifetimer? image

     Pretty well screwed . Cryptic laughed all the way to the bank.

    image
  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,205Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Warmaker

    Originally posted by AG-Vuk


    Originally posted by misterbeefy

    Maaaaybe it would be acceptable if instead of 1 key for 100 CP (or about 1.25$ like Darth_Osor said) or the 10 pack for 900 CP, if 1 key would be 10 CP, and the 10 pack being 100 CP. Or better yet, how the keys dropping randomly like the lockboxes or being able to buy them with EC instead of CP?!

    Sucks, cause I really want that Marauder.

    F2P play means playing by the rules they establish and their prices. Good luck with that.

    But what if you're a regularly paying subscriber ("Gold" member... haha)?  Or a Lifetimer? image

    It's a pretty good reason not to purchase lifetime subs.  You're essentially giving away your right to vote with your wallet so if this kind of change, and all mmos seem to implement unpopular changes at one point or another, bothers you then it's best not to buy lifetime.  Gold members can just drop their sub, not that it will matter unless there is some mass exodus.

    I'm not a big fan of these sorts of things, but almost all F2P games/publishers (Turbine, PWE, Frogster, SoE, etc) seem to have them in one form or another.  I tend to ignore them and sell them on the broker.

    I'm an STO newbie so the game is still fun for me.  Yeah, it's a blatant money grab, but so are so many other things in MMOs and we, as a gamer community, have sent the message to devs/publishers that this is just fine.  From raid only dangly carrot progression in sub games, to cash shop + sub in others, to store exclusives, and lottery drops that require cash to play.  I feel like we've made our bed and now we have to lie in it.

Sign In or Register to comment.