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  • skydiver12skydiver12 burgundPosts: 432Member

     






    Originally posted by GrayGhost79





    Originally posted by FrostWyrm






    Originally posted by skydiver12





    Theme:

    Archeage does not want to be a true Western medieval / or Chinese Wuxia game. Korean like Sunglasses on their avatars, so expect Sunglasses. Korean like underage looking woman, expect to have them. 





    I really find it amazing that so many westerners (particularly Americans) find any adult woman who's not a D-cup "underage looking".

    I blame Baywatch.





    I was going to make a remark about this but... I think instead I will just ignore it and move on. Don't worry I will not judge your race, religion, nationality, etc.  based on a post derived from one persons stupidity. 



     

     Because you are the stupid one with the other guy?, And a sexist on top. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty#Differences_between_male_and_female_puberty

     

    There is more than Boobs which define a Woman. Be it small or big boob size.  You may try to spin it, but  i stand to it, if you want you can have an underage looking Female in Archeage as well as an elderly but not old Woman, mature would be the spot - no matter the cup size.

     

  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownPosts: 3,452Member
    Originally posted by skydiver12


    Originally posted by RefMinor
    And yet he has gone on record to state Archeage has been created with the western market in mind.

    True, he said it here:
    http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/572/feature/5367
    MMORPG.COM: How do you think the game will translate to Western audiences?

    Jake song: We started developing ArcheAge considering global service in the first place. We want to let the players feel the true beauty MMORPG by forming a society like real life by networking with other players. The motto of ArcheAge is 'A world made of your own free will'. I think such facts of ArcheAge are what Western game players would also want and enjoy.

    http://archeage-online.com/post/1718109268

    "Is localization mostly an issue of translating the text and UI, or will actual game mechanics change as well?"

    Jake Song: ArcheAge is still under development, and the publisher for the Western market is not decided for now, so maybe it is a bit early to answer the question. But I do understand the importance of localization. We have to figure out data such as each country’s features, its IT environment and so on, as well as find out the best way to service ArcheAge.

    But above all that, we should finish development and find a publisher who will partner with us to introduce [and distribute] ArcheAge to Western players.


    For my reading comprehension and understanding ever since they started recruiting openly since 2010: He never talks about game mechanics. What i initially wrote is not contradicting anything. When asking about "Western" he means translations and publishing and not creating or altering core mechanics like FFA PVP SYSTEMS. XLGAMES Finishes the game for KOREANS and wants to publish it in EU and NA.

    He may as well just meant they got multiple checkboxes for dialoges to flag for languages right now, even though they just use the korean ones. "In Mind for the Western market"

     

    The first line you quote indicates it hasn't been developed as a purely Korean game, it may tend towards that end of the spectrum (if there is such a thing)as the company is Eastern and the fact the fact that the closed beta testing and game changes are as a result of a largely Korean audience will not move it towards a more western MMO, but then look at the recent big western MMOs, thank god it won't be like that.
  • skydiver12skydiver12 burgundPosts: 432Member

    I may wasn't clear enough, but i wil ltry it again. 
    When he talks about "Western in Mind" he does not reflect on core game mechanics if any at all. At worst he means the game client has no ridiculous dumb restriction which enforces you to run a korean MUI Windows package. (which ofcourse it does not have). Or does not require a Korean Language pack installed to run the Server.
    There is always a communication issue with Korean Studios, as in general. For you westernization means, appealing core game mechanics, for him westerniazation means he can easely switch client languages.
     
    But one thing is fixed. Game mechanics get created / implemented / removed due to Closed Beta Korean FEEDBACK. And as far as he said, after that they want to go out on the EU /NA market asap.

    (Sadly) he has not specifically so far said he wants to adjust core game mechanics for outside Korea.

    (whew) hope i was more clear this time.
     

  • DewmDewm Soldotna, AKPosts: 1,341Member

    Originally posted by Heraclius

    Let's put it this way:

    Do you like underwater exploration?

    If yes, you have to implement the diving helmet

    False: Oblivion had underwater breathing without a dive helmet from the 1800's

    Do you like farming?

    If yes, you have to implement the tractor.

    I farm in AoE2 without tractors, I farm in minecraft without tractors, I farm in real life without tractors...

    Do you like sieges?

    If yes, you have to implement siege weapons.

    I agree.

     

    The list goes on and on, I don't care one bit about if it fits with the game background timeline, it's a fantasy game anyhow.

    And thats fine if you don't care how it fits it. I created the thread because I do care, and I wanted to see if anyone else cares. I like to play it game "worlds" not just follow some simple quest line. Hence the reason I don't play themeparks. 

     

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  • DewmDewm Soldotna, AKPosts: 1,341Member

    Originally posted by FrostWyrm

    Originally posted by skydiver12



    Theme:

    Archeage does not want to be a true Western medieval / or Chinese Wuxia game. Korean like Sunglasses on their avatars, so expect Sunglasses. Korean like underage looking woman, expect to have them. 

    I really find it amazing that so many westerners (particularly Americans) find any adult woman who's not a D-cup "underage looking". As if breast size is the only physical indication of femenine maturity.

    I blame Baywatch.

     

    My wife is a "B" cup, and she is plenty woman. But I think your going to have a hard time defending asians on this one.

     

    I mean, does she look like she is over 18?

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  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,460Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Dewm

    Originally posted by FrostWyrm


    Originally posted by skydiver12



    Theme:

    Archeage does not want to be a true Western medieval / or Chinese Wuxia game. Korean like Sunglasses on their avatars, so expect Sunglasses. Korean like underage looking woman, expect to have them. 

    I really find it amazing that so many westerners (particularly Americans) find any adult woman who's not a D-cup "underage looking". As if breast size is the only physical indication of femenine maturity.

    I blame Baywatch.

     

    My wife is a "B" cup, and she is plenty woman. But I think your going to have a hard time defending asians on this one.

     

    I mean, does she look like she is over 18?

    Have you guys ever thought that some of this could just be perception.

    My girlfriend is of Chiense Ancestry and after our company christmas party people were "talking" about me and my really young girlfriend. They thought she was in her early 20's. She's 40.

    part of this might also be related to their idea of "cute things" and really liking things to be cute. Just because we look at something like this and think Lacivious thougths doesn't mean they do.

    Then again, the Japanese do that that tentacle thing so I don't know what's up with that.

  • sacredfoolsacredfool prague, TXPosts: 760Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by RefMinor

    I will be able to forgive a lot of the aesthetics and may even wear Bermudas and have a bucket for a hat if the damn game is good.

    Hah. I can even believe it all if the game is good. It's like religion. Or movies. They don't have to be logical, they just have to be good. 


    Originally posted by nethaniah

    Seriously Farmville? Yeah I think it's great. In a World where half our population is dying of hunger the more fortunate half is spending their time harvesting food that doesn't exist.


  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownPosts: 3,452Member
    Originally posted by skydiver12

    I may wasn't clear enough, but i wil ltry it again. 
    When he talks about "Western in Mind" he does not reflect on core game mechanics if any at all. At worst he means the game client has no ridiculous dumb restriction which enforces you to run a korean MUI Windows package. (which ofcourse it does not have). Or does not require a Korean Language pack installed to run the Server.
    There is always a communication issue with Korean Studios, as in general. For you westernization means, appealing core game mechanics, for him westerniazation means he can easely switch client languages.
     
    But one thing is fixed. Game mechanics get created / implemented / removed due to Closed Beta Korean FEEDBACK. And as far as he said, after that they want to go out on the EU /NA market asap. (Sadly) he has not specifically so far said he wants to adjust core game mechanics for outside Korea.(whew) hope i was more clear this time.
     

     

    In your opinion, that is what he talks about, I do not believe it is so clear cut a statement. However we do agree that it will not be that westernised.
  • FrostWyrmFrostWyrm Tempe, AZPosts: 1,036Member

    Originally posted by RefMinor

    Originally posted by skydiver12

    I may wasn't clear enough, but i wil ltry it again. 

    When he talks about "Western in Mind" he does not reflect on core game mechanics if any at all. At worst he means the game client has no ridiculous dumb restriction which enforces you to run a korean MUI Windows package. (which ofcourse it does not have). Or does not require a Korean Language pack installed to run the Server.

    There is always a communication issue with Korean Studios, as in general. For you westernization means, appealing core game mechanics, for him westerniazation means he can easely switch client languages.

     

    But one thing is fixed. Game mechanics get created / implemented / removed due to Closed Beta Korean FEEDBACK. And as far as he said, after that they want to go out on the EU /NA market asap.

    (Sadly) he has not specifically so far said he wants to adjust core game mechanics for outside Korea.

    (whew) hope i was more clear this time.

     

     

    In your opinion, that is what he talks about, I do not believe it is so clear cut a statement. However we do agree that it will not be that westernised.

    Good. Personally I hate westernization. I hate easternization too for that matter. Basically I hate when people try to change something from its original form (with the obvious exception of language as long as its not a song) to try and make it fit a new audience.

    For example, taking an anime with nudity or "sexual themes", editing the crap out of it, and putting it on North American tv aimed at small kids.

  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownPosts: 3,452Member
    Originally posted by FrostWyrm


    Originally posted by RefMinor


    Originally posted by skydiver12

    I may wasn't clear enough, but i wil ltry it again. 

    When he talks about "Western in Mind" he does not reflect on core game mechanics if any at all. At worst he means the game client has no ridiculous dumb restriction which enforces you to run a korean MUI Windows package. (which ofcourse it does not have). Or does not require a Korean Language pack installed to run the Server.

    There is always a communication issue with Korean Studios, as in general. For you westernization means, appealing core game mechanics, for him westerniazation means he can easely switch client languages.

     

    But one thing is fixed. Game mechanics get created / implemented / removed due to Closed Beta Korean FEEDBACK. And as far as he said, after that they want to go out on the EU /NA market asap.

    (Sadly) he has not specifically so far said he wants to adjust core game mechanics for outside Korea.
    (whew) hope i was more clear this time.

     

     

    In your opinion, that is what he talks about, I do not believe it is so clear cut a statement. However we do agree that it will not be that westernised.

    Good. Personally I hate westernization. I hate easternization too for that matter. Basically I hate when people try to change something from its original form (with the obvious exception of language as long as its not a song) to try and make it fit a new audience.

    For example, taking an anime with nudity or "sexual themes", editing the crap out of it, and putting it on North American tv aimed at small kids.

     

    I just want them to release the AA I am seeing in videos, I would prefer less sunglasses, but once you start pulling at a thread before you know it the pVp is in battlegrounds and you have a raiding gear grind.
  • ValentinaValentina Los Angeles, CAPosts: 1,675Member Uncommon

    This game does seem profoundly themeless.

  • toddzetoddze no where, OKPosts: 2,155Member

    Originally posted by Valentina

    This game does seem profoundly themeless.

    MAybe it just has a theme that we have not seen before making it themeless to an un-knowing observer?

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    Favorite MMO: FFXI

  • wizyywizyy Novi SadPosts: 629Member

    Originally posted by Valentina

    This game does seem profoundly themeless.

    It does seem that way for those who don't know this:

    http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/07/23/archeage-novel-penned-by-popular-korean-fantasy-author/

     

    Even if I was in beta, I would miss out on a lot of background info because I can't read Korean. Still, I try to get some information wherever I can get it - before I can even think of judging a game being made in a foreign country, in a foreign language.

    Why can't you?

  • AmateAmate ThimphuPosts: 88Member

    What's going on in this thread. I see people mentioning sunglasses, and mustache glasses, WTF? There is no such thing in game, and I challenge you to find any screenshot showing these stuff. I would know, I was in the beta.

    I've seen a lot of misinformation in these boards (this thread is a perfect example: http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/572/view/forums/thread/342791/page/1 ), please be carefull and ask for a source whenever  someone that wasn't in beta comes up with so-called  "new features".

  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownPosts: 3,452Member
    Originally posted by Amate

    What's going on in this thread. I see people mentioning sunglasses, and mustache glasses, WTF? There is no such thing in game, and I challenge you to find any screenshot showing these stuff. I would know, I was in the beta.
    I've seen a lot of misinformation in these boards (this thread is a perfect example: http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/572/view/forums/thread/342791/page/1 ), please be carefull and ask for a source whenever  someone that wasn't in beta comes up with so-called  "new features".

     

    http://news.mmosite.com/content/2011-06-04/jake_song_archeage_to_be_a_replay_of_real_life,1.shtml

     

    Third picture down looks like sunglasses

     

  • wizyywizyy Novi SadPosts: 629Member

    Originally posted by Amate

    What's going on in this thread. I see people mentioning sunglasses, and mustache glasses, WTF? There is no such thing in game, and I challenge you to find any screenshot showing these stuff. I would know, I was in the beta.

    I've seen a lot of misinformation in these boards (this thread is a perfect example: http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/572/view/forums/thread/342791/page/1 ), please be carefull and ask for a source whenever  someone that wasn't in beta comes up with so-called  "new features".

    OP didn't complain about just the sunglasses, although I do seem to recollect seeing somewhere moustache glasses.

    I don't really defend his position, but there's plenty of things that may "put off" people like him in this game. For example, the cowboy hat Steparu wore the whole time he was in beta.

  • skydiver12skydiver12 burgundPosts: 432Member





    Originally posted by Amate
    What's going on in this thread. I see people mentioning sunglasses, and mustache glasses, WTF? There is no such thing in game, and I challenge you to find any screenshot showing these stuff. I would know, I was in the beta.
    I've seen a lot of misinformation in these boards (this thread is a perfect example: http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/572/view/forums/thread/342791/page/1 ), please be carefull and ask for a source whenever  someone that wasn't in beta comes up with so-called  "new features".


     
    Context, it's about stuff which interfere with some peoples wishful thinking about Archeage being a pure Medieval Fantasy "sandpark" where every modern day illustration breaks immersion.
    If you know  Korea, it's just silly and pointless to defend Archeage in this. People better realize what Archeage will not offer them, if they can't see past such things.
  • AmateAmate ThimphuPosts: 88Member

    Originally posted by RefMinor

     

    http://news.mmosite.com/content/2011-06-04/jake_song_archeage_to_be_a_replay_of_real_life,1.shtml

     

    Third picture down looks like sunglasses

     

    -From MMOsite (aka hardly reliable source)

    -Very small screenshot, which makes it unsure what they are (might be a graphical glitch, you can see in the background the city is lacking textures)

    -From an article from a year ago, with a character wearing outdated gear which skin isn't in-game anymore

     So I wouldn't trust it. I've played both CBT3 and CBT4, and I haven't seen any sunglasses or mustach glasses. Nor could you craft any. Only "out of place" clothing I came across was the beach shorts they gave during the event in the last day of CBT4.


    Originally posted by wizyy

    OP didn't complain about just the sunglasses, although I do seem to recollect seeing somewhere moustache glasses.

    I don't really defend his position, but there's plenty of things that may "put off" people like him in this game. For example, the cowboy hat Steparu wore the whole time he was in beta.

    Yea my post wasn't meant to OP in particular, just saw some ppl mention glasses and stuff as if that was actually in-game, which is misinformation.

    With that said I disagree with the OP (although I understand him, this matter is purely based on point of view). The machines in ArcheAge fit the overall technology you see in the game world in terms of look, and the fact the lore states they are powered by akium makes it coherent, as you need akium to craft them. Like I said in a previous post, akium is the "petroleum" of the game world. There is no steam or electricity powered machines.

    Let's look at a game like Skyrim, and the dwemer race which has all sort of machinery, actual robots, and what not. Did it break immersion?  Didn't for me, as it fitted the whole "ancient race with advanced technology". In AA, machines look very rustic and not modern at all. If they looked sleek and in something else than wood/clothes/etc, then yes it would be very out of place.

  • firefly2003firefly2003 Los Angeles, CAPosts: 2,555Member

    Not really seeing the problem with the theme but that was never a dealbreaker when it comes to MMOs, the only thing I really care about if its going to have more non-combat features, a great crafting system, and tons of features we seen in older MMOs brought into modern times and improved upon, so far this game is doing that as a hybrid so its a win win for me and a MMORPG I truely want to play once its released in the NA.

    I only hope that this game really does well , and people I hope like this game as well, you got building, crafting , combat, sailing on the high seas, open world pvp. One thing I would like to see though is a PVP and a PVE server or do PVP like EVE does it sort of have you Empire Terrorities and then your open FFA PVP terrorities , we really don't need to see another potential great MMO be brought down by people who make it their business to ruin other peoples fun.

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  • DewmDewm Soldotna, AKPosts: 1,341Member

     

     

    Not trying to necro a thread, but I already made one so I figured this would be a good place to go.

     

    Once again, I am still going to buy this game..its the closest thing to a good sandbox that I've seen coming out... BUT I still question some of the items in the game and the general timeline..

    It still just seems out of place to me

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OluoZE0FQZs&feature=related

    If you check out this vid, at 0:35 they are wearing bikinies...and board shorts.. totaly doesn't fit.

     

    I dunno made it feel like I was watching a Sims trailer...

     

    I just wish asian games wern't so.....goofy?

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  • coretex666coretex666 PraguePosts: 1,934Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Dewm

     

     

    Not trying to necro a thread, but I already made one so I figured this would be a good place to go.

     

    Once again, I am still going to buy this game..its the closest thing to a good sandbox that I've seen coming out... BUT I still question some of the items in the game and the general timeline..

    It still just seems out of place to me

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OluoZE0FQZs&feature=related

    If you check out this vid, at 0:35 they are wearing bikinies...and board shorts.. totaly doesn't fit.

     

    I dunno made it feel like I was watching a Sims trailer...

     

    I just wish asian games wern't so.....goofy?

    When I watched this video and saw the bikini, I had to stop and think whether it fits in this game or not, so I definitely see your point.

    I cannot really tell at this point whether it will feel ok or whether it will "break immersion" if there are similar things included in the game.

    The stuff you described in the original post does not bother me so much. I used to care about it years ago, but I got used to it after playing WoW and similar themepark games (e.g. in WoW you have jetpacks, motorbikes, guns, etc and also bows, swords and magic)

    Waiting for L2 EU Classic

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