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Hey guys just recently got this case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147157
This case is unbelievably HUGE .... would love some input for a motherboard and processor
I've got about 1200-1500 dollars left to spend on this project and would just like some input from some of you pros out there.
It's been awhile since I had extra money to spend on my favorite hobby so I'm a bit behind on the latest tech available and any advice would be appreciated.
Don't think I want to go the water cooled route though. This thing already has 8 fans and I think the air flow here is gonna be awesome. Still I want a top of the line cooling system.....
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The first thing to decide is whether to buy now or to wait. There are two reasons why he might want to wait.
First is the processor. Rumors say that Ivy Bridge launches on April 29. As compared to Sandy Bridge at stock speeds, Ivy Bridge should get you about 10% more performance for the same price, and with 20% less power consumption. We don't know how well it will overclock, however.
Second is the video card. On that budget, presumably you want a top of the line video card. Here's what AMD has to offer:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%20600286767%20600286740&IsNodeId=1&name=Radeon%20HD%207970
And here's what Nvidia has to offer:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%20600315498&IsNodeId=1&name=GeForce%20GTX%20600%20series
If you click the second link, then you can see the problem. The Nvidia card is arguably a little better for a single monitor system, but it's not a huge advantage.
For the processor, it's debateable whether to wait or not. I'd say it depends a lot on what he's upgrading from. If he's already got a capable gaming machine and merely wants max settings instead of moderately high settings, then I'd wait. If he wants to play games that simply aren't playable on his current machine, I wouldn't wait.
For the video card, a lot depends on brand preferences. If he's a huge Nvidia fanboy and wouldn't even consider an AMD card even if AMD was a lot better (e.g., 2 months ago, or around the start of 2010), then he wants to wait. If he doesn't care which of the two cards he gets, then the only question is whether to wait for Ivy Bridge.
I would have to say wait for Ivy Bridge in a few weeks or so. Its too close to the IB release not too IMO.
See whats available at that time regarding other components and go from there.
Her's what I got in my cart at this time
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157269
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181017
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115095
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127608
The vid card could prob be better but yes I Am stuck on N-Vidia.....
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I know Radeaon might have the upper hand these days but oh well.
Actually I am building this for a friend and he wants it yesterday but I must admit I am a bit rusty when it comes to new tech out there?
Advice?
check out the cmstacker from cooler master.
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Sorry misunderstood you've already got the case.
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Personally I would go with at least a 580 for video card. Even if it meant a bit cheaper mobo and cpu cooling.
Or go ahead and spend the money on the 680 and build the rest of the machine on whats left in the budget.
Just what I would do tho If I had a $1500 budget. I would personally rather have an I5 2500k machine with a 680 over an I7 with a 560.
Here is something I put together, just an idea of what I might do with that budget. It includes a $20 off promo code and a $20 mail in rebate for the 580 as well.
Item #: N82E16822148321
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
Recover Your Data(expand for options)
-$10.00 Instant
$119.99
$109.99
EVGA SuperClocked 015-P3-1582-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support ...
Item #: N82E16814130590
Return Policy: VGA Replacement Only Return Policy
$20.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$439.99
CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power ...
Item #: N82E16817139021
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$35.00 Instant
$10.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$139.99
$104.99
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM
Item #: N82E16835100007
Return Policy: Consumable Item Refund Only Return Policy
$9.99
Crucial Ballistix Tactical Tracer 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model BLT2KIT4G3D1869DT2TXRG
Item #: N82E16820148555
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
$69.99
ASUS P8Z77-V LE LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI USB 3.0 Intel Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813131823
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
$164.99
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 ...
Item #: N82E16819115072
Return Policy: Iron Egg Replacement-Only Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
$219.99
1
Newegg Promotional Gift Card - $10.00
Item #: N82E168GC000001
Your Promotional Gift Card will be emailed 4 days after invoice.
CORSAIR H70 Core High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
Item #: N82E16835181019
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$10.00 Instant
$89.99
$79.99
LG Black 12X Internal Blu-ray Drive 3D Playback & M-DISC Support SATA Model UH12LS29 LightScribe Support - OEM
Item #: N82E16827136246
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
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$64.99
Item #: N82E16820148448
Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
Protect Your Investment (expand for options)
-$52.00 Instant
$199.99
$147.99
Subtotal:
$1,412.90
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Wrender, with the parts you've picked, you'll probably go way over budget once you fill out the build.
All prices including shipping and before rebates:
Processor/motherboard combo deal: $399
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.877684
An AsRock Extreme7 is ridiculous overkill. But you can get ridiculous overkill a lot cheaper than that, such as a Gigabyte -UD5 anything. A Z77 chipset means it's the native platform for Ivy Bridge. But you only get a Sandy Bridge processor, because your friend is impatient.
Processor heatsink: $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835288001
You've got a case built for high end air cooling. So just get high end air cooling and call it a day. Very impressive results here, by the way:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/EVGA-Superclock-CPU-Cooler-Review/1336/8
Operating system: $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986
Because if it's a gaming computer, it's probably not meant for Linux.
SSD: $148
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148448
Because if you don't get one, it will be slow. Check the firmware when it arrives. If it's 0309 or later, you're set; if not, you should update it. Install the OS and the main programs on the SSD, and put bulk data that won't be accessed so often on the hard drive.
Hard drive: $102
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148697
How much hard drive capacity does your friend need? I don't know. But 1 TB seems to be barely more expensive than 500 GB.
Power supply: $220
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151111
Since you seem to be looking for a ridiculous overclock, this is the best power supply that money can buy. You could save some money here if so inclined.
Memory: $40 with promo code
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226191
Optical drive: $18
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136247
Video card: $390
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127567
If you're going to go the Nvidia fanboy route, then at least do it right. Or wait, doing it right would mean waiting for a GeForce GTX 680 to come in stock. But the next best thing is a GeForce GTX 580.
Total: $1467
As for jdnewell's build:
I'm not sure what to make of that motherboard. Usually an Asus "LE" motherboard is the low end model, but nine power phases, an extra USB 3.0 controller (in addition to the four ports in the chipset), and an extra SATA 3 controller (in addition to the two ports in the chipset) doesn't exactly scream "low end". Anyway, with the combo deal, the one I linked is barely more expensive.
The video card I linked is $30 cheaper before rebate or $10 cheaper after rebate than the one you linked. It has a better cooler, too. When you've got a huge case with tons of airflow, you might as well let the case fans do their job.
Speaking of case fans, that goes for the liquid cooling system, too. A good air cooler on the processor is plenty, even for a huge overclock.
There's no need for 1866 MHz memory unless you're trying to feed the integrated graphics. Which you aren't.
That's one way to go cheaper on the power supply. Given the budget, I'd go higher end, though. I was thinking more along the lines of something like these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817121092
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139035
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182238
There's no sense in getting a Blu-Ray player unless the user wants to watch Blu-Ray movies on his computer.
Yeah.
That was just some things I was looking at before bed last night. Wasnt meant to be his build necessarily, more like an example of some basic parts I might use. Like an I5 over an I7, a 580 over a 560, cheaper cpu cooling, ect.
Something more in line with the budget and gaming in mind. In hindsight I probably should have either done a better job posting that or not posted it at all
Very good information here Quizzical, thanks. Anyways my friend has 0 patience he ordered everything last night for a whopping grand total that made me sick to my stomach. Gonna be fun putting it all together...Wish me luck
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1
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116992
Software Standard Return Policy
$139.99
1
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
Item #: N82E16827135204
Standard Return Policy
$18.99
2
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL
Item #: N82E16820231314
Memory Standard Return Policy
$93.98
($46.99 ea)
1
CORSAIR Gaming Series GS800 800W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC High Performance Power ...
Item #: N82E16817139025
Standard Return Policy
$124.99
1
Intel Core i7-2700K Sandy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623i72700K
Item #: N82E16819115095
CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
$339.99
1
CORSAIR H100 (CWCH100) Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
Item #: N82E16835181017
Standard Return Policy
$114.99
1
ASRock Z68 Extreme7 Gen3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813157269
Standard Return Policy
$269.99
2
Seagate Barracuda Green ST2000DL003 2TB 5900 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822148681
Standard Return Policy
$239.98
($119.99 ea)
1
MSI N560GTX-Ti Twin Frozr II 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support ...
Item #: N82E16814127608
VGA Standard Return Policy
$269.99
Subtotal
$1,612.89
Plus the case:
1
Rosewill BLACKHAWK-ULTRA Gaming Super Tower Computer Case, support up to HPTX, come with Eight Fans,Top HDD docking
Item #: N82E16811147157
Standard Return Policy
$179.99
Subtotal
$179.99
Makes my head swim!
Eek. The point of getting help on a build is so that you don't do that. You might want to tell your friend to see if he can cancel the order--and to do it if it's not too late. Let's break it down:
For gaming use I can't think of any plausible reason to pay the extra $40 to get Windows 7 Professional rather than Home Premium.
You only really need 4 GB of system memory today. You can justify 8 GB for massive futureproofing and because it's so cheap. But 16 GB? No plausible reason to get that for general consumer use.
The power supply is all right. But nothing more than all right. I can't think of any plausible reason why someone would need an 800 W power supply without having the budget to get something a lot better than that. And that's before you look at the price, even: you can get a lot better for cheaper, too.
For gaming purposes, the difference between a Core i5-2500K and a Core i7-2700K is $120. No performance difference. Just a price tag difference. But Intel thanks your friend for giving them extra money for no real reason in particular.
Not going air cooling kind of defeats the point of a huge case with lots of airflow.
The motherboard is, well, why would you pay $280 for a discontinued and going on obsolete motherboard? A year ago, I could kind of understand it for the extra PCI Express bandwidth in a CrossFire/SLI setup. But now, you can get the same bandwidth from a Z77 motherboard for half the price if you wait for an Ivy Bridge processor.
The hard drives are really slow, which will make the entire system sluggish. Not only did he not get an SSD, but he didn't even get a proper 7200 RPM hard drive, such as was the standard for desktops about 14 years ago.
The video card is, well, it's not a bad card, really. It's the sort of card you might get if it cost $200 and you had an $1100 budget. But it's not the sort of card you'd consider on an $1800 budget, nor the sort of card you'd pay $275 for, no matter what your budget is.
So basically, your friend spent a bunch of money where it didn't matter, and skimped where it does. I'm glad I don't have to use that computer. I'd rather have the sub-$1000 build I picked on another thread earlier today. For that matter, I'd rather have the ~$1300 (excluding peripherals) computer I built back in 2009 and still use today, though that's mainly for the SSD and power supply.
Not your fault, I guess. You tried to help him.
Umm yeah.
What Quizzical said. Bad choices all around.
If nothing else and he cant cancel the order then at least go ahead and spring for a 120g SSD so the system will at least run up to par. That 5900 speed hard drive is gonna pretty much suck.
Oh well, not my computer I guess.
Quizzical, Thank you for your brutal honesty.
I tried to tell my friend to be patient and let me do some research and not come to me in the middle of a work week when I'm dead tired. Guess he just got amped up and wanted the thing now Now NOW! Thanks for the build you suggested I added it to shopping list and after looking through it I see exactly what you mean. Hell this is the rig I shoulda gone with. Just got off the phone with him and e-mailed him the new list from NewEgg and he was impressed. Not sure how thier return policy is pertaining to unopened items but def gonna call them up and find out. Perhaps this project might yet be salvaged... Keeping fingers crossed !
Thanks again will def save this build for future reference! WoW I didn't even look at those hard drive speeds...5900?? really? I'm so embarassed....
Geek Power Rules!
Just curious on your thoughts on differences using a micro board or a full size atx motherboards on a case like this?
If you've got a huge case (or even a typical $70 mid-tower) with lots of space, then I don't see any need to bunch everything together and have various things getting in the way of each other.
Smaller motherboards generally don't cram as many features in, either, largely because there isn't room. That's fine if all you're looking for is a $100 motherboard that can make everything in a relatively simple build work at stock settings. But that doesn't seem to be your friend's goal.
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One thing I forgot to mention earlier is that with such a large case, you need to make sure that the power supply cables will reach. An 20" cable for the 4+4-pin CPU power connector is plenty for most systems, but that case could conceivably make it need to span a 22" gap. The Seasonic Platinum that I linked has the processor and motherboard cables a little shy of 26" long, and plenty of long cables for everything else, too. If you get some other high end power supply, it will probably also be fine, but it's something you should check.
Just talked to a NewEgg agent and was advised the best thing I could do at this point is simply refuse the package so that is what I am going to do. 2-5 days after they get it back to get it re-stocked and another 2-5 days for the entire amount refunded back to the credit card. My friend's patience is really gonna be put to the test now but he is in agreement as that is what we should probably do. Again thanks for all the advice and will def re-order asap. I will prob hit you up again soon as I plan to build me a new gaming rig real soon and woulkd love a good build for around $600 dollars? *sigh* my budjet is not what it used to be by no means and it's depressing... damn this messed up economy we live in these days....
~Cheers~
If the whole process takes long enough, then you might as well just wait for Ivy Bridge, and see if the GTX 680 comes in stock.
For some (but only some!) of those items, you'd come out ahead returning it, eating the 15% restocking fee, and getting something else instead.
But I've seen how this movie ends. The friend gets impatient and when the shipment arrives, he decides to keep it instead. He also decides to install everything on the hard drives, and doesn't bother to get an SSD later. The only real question is whether he decides to put the hard drives in RAID 0 (which is stupid, by the way).
I'm not saying that's what should happen. But it's likely what will.
Meaning that you want a build sometime in the future, but not now?
On your budget, Ivy Bridge is irrelevant. The upcoming products that might matter to you are Trinity and GK107. Trinity probably will perform better than an FX-4100 processor. It's a question of how AMD will price it, though, since there's integrated graphics on the die, too, and AMD might well price it out of your budget.
On a $600 budget, you might consider using the integrated graphics that come with Trinity. That's enough to get a discrete card, though, so you don't really have to do that. With high clocked memory, the integrated graphics there will probably get you about the performance of a $60 discrete video card.
The embargo on Trinity ends on May 15. I'd expect to see the chip released for laptops at the same time, and for desktops sometime later.
GK107 will be the bottom GPU chip of Nvidia's Kepler lineup. It should finally make Nvidia competitive again in the sub-$200 desktop video card market, for the first time since 2009. But it won't necessarily do so at launch.
I'd expect GK107-based cards to show up in laptops first, with a desktop launch sometime later. And I expect the desktop cards to be overpriced at launch, too, until Nvidia has high enough yields and enough 28 nm foundry capacity at TSMC to say, we don't need Fermi cards anymore, but it makes more sense to tell everyone to buy Kepler. If I had to guess, I'd say a desktop launch in June, and competitive prices in August.
GK107-based cards won't be a vastly better deal than anything you can get right now. Rather, it will mean, instead of having to go AMD to get something that isn't stupidly overpriced, you'll be able to get just as good of a value from Nvidia. You seem to be enough of an Nvidia fan to care about that. Or maybe you were just passing along your friend's preferences.
OMG My friend is on his way to my house right now and wants to buy that entire shopping list Quizzical suggested last night...and the original fucked up components havent even got here yet!
All I can say ... Where is my rich uncle that loves me?
OMG he is on his way here at this moment as we type. Said something about "to hell with that refund" He is prepared to re-order the entire thing here on mmorpg in like 30 minutes and all you geeks are invited to what looks like to be an event none would want to miss
Anyone reading this please add to "watch" as things might get hairy within the next hour or so
Non Geek Types need not bother...
6:42 PM and waiting...
In that case, you can use a promo code to get $10 off of the OS, and a slightly better discount on the memory.
http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/latest/index-landing.aspx
I'm guessing that what the friend has in mind is to order the new parts, return the previous order, and get a refund on the previous parts later.
You could check to see if he can get a full refund by refusing to accept the shipment, or if there's a 15% restocking fee for everything that gets returned. I also wouldn't expect shipping fees to get refunded.
If there's a restocking fee and shipping fees don't get refunded at all, then he should keep the optical drive (since all DVD burners are equivalent) and one of the memory kits. Whether to keep the CPU cooler, motherboard, and one hard drive is debateable. I'd lean against it, but wouldn't be terribly inclined to argue with someone who disagrees. If you install everything where performance matters on the SSD, then it doesn't matter that hard drives are slow.
The video card and power supply are not at all what you want on that budget, so you definitely want to return those. You definitely want a new SSD even if he keeps some of the old parts. And the price difference between a 2500K and 2700K is so large that you'd come out money ahead to return the 2700K.
If refusing a delivery is a binary thing, where you have to either refuse everything or accept everything, then you refuse everything. And if you can get a full refund, perhaps minus the shipping fees, then it's simpler to refuse everything. I'm not sure exactly what your options are.
was assured there would not be a restocking fee
I so love how I am portrayed in this forum thread… First, yes I am impatient but then again I’ve been trying to get this computer going for going on 3 weeks… second, I missed the hard drive speeds when I bought it *Seriously why make a 2TB Hard drive with as you said 14yr old tech* Sadly I burn thru Disk space like a fat man at a buffet. I didn’t originally go for the SSD’s because I’ve heard a lot of response on the fact they burn out fast. Third, I am not that stupid to keep worthless product… especially when I can get my money back ^_^;
And yes my Uncle loves me very much :P
But, this is actually being bought with Income taxes, YAY REFUNDS!