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Is a 3000 dollar gaming PC Pay 2 Win?

paulythebpaulytheb Wauwatosa, WIPosts: 261Member Uncommon

Is a 3000 dollar gaming PC pay2win?

Just an honest question. In all the pay to win conversations going on around here I seldom see much mention of the PC's that some gamers have while most people have a Dell or a Wal Mart or Best Buy PC with a new video card maybe.

Is buying the best possible bandwith speed pay2win?

I know there are sever tiers here where I live with the roadrunner service.

 

If these things ARE NOT pay2win, then what is ?

Where is the line drawn?

 

 

Sorry if this aspect has been covered before. I must have missed it. I am however, genuinely curious where people think the line is drawn. It is not like you can go buy a thousand dollar better Xbox.

 

TYIA

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  • DissolutionDissolution APO, NYPosts: 210Member
    If you pawn it to buy cash shop items it is. =P

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  • QuizzicalQuizzical Posts: 14,784Member Uncommon

    No, because higher graphical settings don't give you a real gameplay advantage, with only the exception of a higher monitor resolution in a relative handful of games.

    More bandwidth might reduce the time it takes to download the game, but that's all it will do for you.  Online games don't take much bandwidth while you're playing them.

    Besides, beyond about $1500 spent wisely and excluding peripherals, spending more doesn't really get you much.

  • ClassicstarClassicstar rotjeknorPosts: 2,690Member

    Luckly with PC we still have freedom of choice buying a expensive rig or cheap crappy PC or laptop.

    If it help a little who cares you pay alot for it but its not like console market where every gaming machine is same thank god we PC gamers still have this freedom fo choice.

    You can have rig that cost 5000 euro and still suck in gaming hehe.

    Good internet connection and PC will help mainly in fast pace games like FPS shooters or RTS games.

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  • MavacarMavacar GothenburgPosts: 328Member

    I remember a very old discussion about WoW when people who were using three screens were accused of cheating. Don't know if it's still valid but hell I was laughing so hard reading that discussion.

  • OmaliOmali MMO Business Correspondent Orchard Park, NYPosts: 1,114Member Uncommon

    You make a decent point, but when people complain about pay to win in a game they are generally referring to things that the developer has direct control over. The developer cannot control what type of PC you use or what connection you have, but they can control what is sold in the cash shop or allowing players to get away with buying gold online.

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  • KabaalKabaal Edinburgh, ScotlandPosts: 3,012Member Uncommon

    It's not been covered because it's plain silly as far as buying a more expensive PC goes. Broadband availability and pipelines between where you live and a games servers also have nothing to do with consumer cost.

  • KyleranKyleran Tampa, FLPosts: 19,998Member Uncommon

    One could argue that having better hardware/internet connections etc might give you a P2W edge, but it really just points out the folly of endlessly trying to make these games "fair" (outright hacking not withstanding)

    Play your game, do the best you can, and accept the fact that sometimes you are going to lose through no real fault (or control) of your own.

    In the end, they are just games.

     

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  • DragonantisDragonantis DublinPosts: 974Member

    I would say a great connection would be Pay-2-Win, having a very low ping compared to others with higher ping gives you a large advantage in PVP.

  • paulythebpaulytheb Wauwatosa, WIPosts: 261Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Quizzical

    No, because higher graphical settings don't give you a real gameplay advantage, with only the exception of a higher monitor resolution in a relative handful of games.

    More bandwidth might reduce the time it takes to download the game, but that's all it will do for you.  Online games don't take much bandwidth while you're playing them.

    Besides, beyond about $1500 spent wisely and excluding peripherals, spending more doesn't really get you much.

     

    Not going to argue with you Quzzical because I know i lose. I know you are very cool and know your hardware much better than a layman like me. I actually followed advice you gave some one else on an upgrade.

     

    But,

    A gaming PC , an expensive one 1500.00 that quizzical built, would that be  an advantage over an average 700 dollar tower someone gets at a best buy type store?

     

    Thank You all for your Opinions. I am genuinely curious what everyone who responded thinks even if I can't respond to each.

     

    (Had to rephrase my question it was originally ambigious.)

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  • stringboistringboi Atlanta, GAPosts: 394Member

    Originally posted by paulytheb

    Originally posted by Quizzical

    No, because higher graphical settings don't give you a real gameplay advantage, with only the exception of a higher monitor resolution in a relative handful of games.

    More bandwidth might reduce the time it takes to download the game, but that's all it will do for you.  Online games don't take much bandwidth while you're playing them.

    Besides, beyond about $1500 spent wisely and excluding peripherals, spending more doesn't really get you much.

     

    Not going to argue with you Quzzical because I know i lose. I know you are very cool and know your hardware much better than a layman like me. I actually followed advice you gave some one else on an upgrade.

     

    But,

    A gaming PC , an expensive one 1500.00 in your words, would be an advantage over a store bought?

     

    Thank You all for your Opinions. I am genuinely curious what everyone who responded thinks even if I can't respond to each.

    The "advantage" is that you would get better components over the store prebuilt.......more for your money.  Your paying for labor and their know how putting it together.  You buy individual components, your paying for just the components  =  more for your money no?  That is the advantage!

    After a certain price point...what your really paying for is bells and whistles.  Higher resolution graphics, cooling capabilities, ability to overclock....etc.   Most games will run on a budget comp easily when in game setting are set accordingly.  The problem is, everyone wants to try to max the game out and then expect no lag or problems when the comp cant handle it.....things need to be set accordingly.

  • SlampigSlampig Chantilly, VAPosts: 2,376Member Uncommon

    Yes it is, and you don't need it, just rely on skill and send it to me...

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  • KrelianKrelian GöteborgPosts: 369Member Uncommon

    Hi.

    I have purchased a 3.380 dollar pc about a week ago (not including the screens, keyboard/mouse, sound system etc)

    I didnt know that i was cheating :D BUT if i was, well at least i know i enjoy cheating this way.

    After all, we all know that owning expensive pieces of machinery is not really about improving our personal gaming experiences,

    but

    it is rather about putting our system specs on our profiles and signatures on the forums etc so that we can make others jealeus :XD

    BUT to be SERIOUS; UNLESS we are talking about a purely reflex-based PVP game that CANNOT be run EVEN on the LOWEST settings - UNLESS YOU HAVE A  10.000+ dollar machine - it ain't cheating, IMHO :P

    So,, yes, any1 who has a better system than mine should be shot on sight!

  • paulythebpaulytheb Wauwatosa, WIPosts: 261Member Uncommon



    The "advantage" is that you would get better components over the store prebuilt.......more for your money.  Your paying for labor and their know how putting it together.  You buy individual components, your paying for just the components  =  more for your money no?  That is the advantage!

    After a certain price point...what your really paying for is bells and whistles.  Higher resolution graphics, cooling capabilities, ability to overclock....etc.   Most games will run on a budget comp easily when in game setting are set accordingly.  The problem is, everyone wants to try to max the game out and then expect no lag or problems when the comp cant handle it.....things need to be set accordingly.

    Sorry, I should have worded that better. Editing original post to better explain.

    I didn't ask my question correctly the second time. Thank you for your opinion and for pointing out my mistake.

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  • XthosXthos Columbus, OHPosts: 2,628Member
    Well, I wouldn't say pay to win, but I remember when I got cable internet back when I was playing UO when it was new, and you could really tell a difference in movement speed, reactions and such...

    It gave you an advantage, and in some of these games with a lot of graphic effects, that have higher end graphics, if someone is lagging, like I use to on my old crappy computer that was 1 level down from what was supported for DAoC, when it got to be 200-300 people on in one area in RvR, it was lag...lag...lag...you are dead...

    So by some people definitions on these forums, yes, you are correct, it is pay to win, outside of the game...I don't think so, but people have such broad views, it would be.
  • HazelleHazelle Brampton, ONPosts: 760Member

    Pay to win is a pricing scheme set by the owners of the game and has nothing to do with the hardware you choose to play with.

    Apples and oranges.

  • ForeverdreamForeverdream burkesville, KYPosts: 94Member

    It depends on the game AND computer.

     

    I'm sorry but if you can play on the highest settings of any new game your set to go and have a huge advantage over some. I've seen my buddies comp actually have graphical delay and had a major impact on me playing.

  • BanquettoBanquetto CityPosts: 1,037Member Uncommon
    Is living on the same continent as the server pay-to-win? That can make a huge difference to both PvE and PvP performance
  • RusqueRusque Las Vegas, NVPosts: 2,229Member Uncommon

    A few things to keep in mind.

    Games typically have hardware requirements as well as a recommended hardware level. If you purchase a game knowing that your rig is below system reqs, then you are agreeing that the game might not very well for you.  So in this case, you would do worse than others most likely if your visuals are too choppy.

    Another thing is normalization, and while it appears you're playing the game in real time (because on your client, you are) there is a delay between your client and the server so that people across a large region can see the same thing at the same time on their client.  So, in general, bandwidth and lag won't be too much of an issue with a few exceptions like playing on a NA server from Australia or New Zealand.  Sorry guys, you're just too far away from the rest of the world.

    And like others have said, a 3k computer doesn't blow a 1.5k computer out of the water. There is quite a bit of diminishing returns on cost vs performance, and to pile on top of that, game developers rarely design games that can only be handled by the most cutting edge technology.

  • KelthiusKelthius Troup, TXPosts: 298Member

    Frames Per Sec is really the only thing it comes down to. As long as you don't dip below 30 fps, you're at almost no disadvantage (aside from IP problems). If you're getting 30 fps and are bad at PvP, the only problem is you (or possibly the game if it is truely p2w).

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  • ElderRatElderRat Syracuse, NYPosts: 899Member

    Originally posted by Foreverdream

    It depends on the game AND computer.

     

    I'm sorry but if you can play on the highest settings of any new game your set to go and have a huge advantage over some. I've seen my buddies comp actually have graphical delay and had a major impact on me playing.

    I remember a long time ago a buddy of mine trying to play EQ2 on an old laptop.  Each time we changed zones there would be a break for several  minutes while his computer struggled to change zones.  We would use that time for bio's, getting snacks, smoking, etc.

    Currently bored with MMO's.

  • Johnie-MarzJohnie-Marz La Puente, CAPosts: 865Member

    Originally posted by paulytheb

    Is a 3000 dollar gaming PC pay2win?

     

    I think in the minds of the people who buy a 3000 dollar machine it probably is. Whether it actually helps I don't know. Some of the mice (Mouse's?) with extra buttons probably give a little edge as well.

    As for me, if I could afford a 3000 dollar gaming pc I would get it, but more for the graphics upgrade than any slight advantage.

  • JakardJakard 98390, WAPosts: 415Member

    No. 

    Because I'm a believer that you can get a computer that costs 500-800 dollars and have largely the same effect. I recently traded my Sager laptop for a desktop and I get 60 FPS on both WoW and SW:TOR and if you were to build this computer yourself, it would definitely be south of $1000. So no, buying a $3000 computer would not be "paying to win".

    When did we start throwing around crap terms like this? I don't care how good your computer is or what you can buy in a cash shop or on Ebay... if you suck... you still lose. Period.

  • grinderygrindery Williamsburg, OHPosts: 34Member

    Really? REALLY?!?! I can't believe this is even being discussed. It's even sadder that some people are actually saying yes to the question at hand. Bandwidth and a good computer is not paying 2 win, by any means. Good lord by that logic game developers are automatically the biggest culprits of pay 2 win. Just to clarify, you can't buy a computer through a game's cash shop, at least none that I know of. For shame on the people that can afford t3 lines or 3000 dollar computers.

  • FlawSGIFlawSGI Woodstock, GAPosts: 1,379Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by paulytheb

    Is a 3000 dollar gaming PC pay2win?

    Just an honest question. In all the pay to win conversations going on around here I seldom see much mention of the PC's that some gamers have while most people have a Dell or a Wal Mart or Best Buy PC with a new video card maybe.

    Is buying the best possible bandwith speed pay2win?

    I know there are sever tiers here where I live with the roadrunner service.

     

    If these things ARE NOT pay2win, then what is ?

    Where is the line drawn?

     

     

    Sorry if this aspect has been covered before. I must have missed it. I am however, genuinely curious where people think the line is drawn. It is not like you can go buy a thousand dollar better Xbox.

     

    TYIA

    Some will say it is p2w. The argument has gotten a little out of hand because people like to change their understanding of the concept to coincide with their argument. I don't concidder anything p2w unless the game itself offers advantages that actually affect someone other than yourself in a way that gives them a clear advantage.

    Example would be GW2, the pvp boosts are meaningless since gear does not matter and the extra glory will not give you a leg up on anyone. That same boost may be a problem in a game where that glory would translate into a form of currency for gear ala WoW's honor. Your gear grinding would now be faster than another who didnt spend the same amount of effort so that could be p2w.

    No game will be completely even if you see the hardware as an unfair advantage though some will cry it is. Some games try to make the playing field as fair as possible and some clearly offer ways to get a leg up. I stay away from the latter. I don't have a high end rig and I will never use that as an excuse I get beat at something. You adapt with what you have and do the best with what you got. 

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  • SmikisSmikis VilniusPosts: 1,045Member

    someone who spent 1500 instead of 700 on random retailer craptastic and overpriced pc, will always have advantage, but it wont be due fps.. its due smarts.. and no not because someone earns 2k a month and another one earns 1k..

    one is addept  in IT , another is clueless casual.. its like saying can sprinter outrun, hotdog eating champion..

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