There's a promo code on the video card, too. I realize that you said you preferred Nvidia, but they're not at all competitive in the sub-$200 video card market, which is what you get on your budget. Paying $20 extra before rebate or $30 more after rebate for equivalent performance with an Nvidia logo rather than AMD is a luxury that you can have on a $1500 budget, but is a bad idea on $1000.
Total: $990 including shipping and before rebates.
As compared to the iBuyPower, this will get you a dramatically better power supply, a slightly worse but still adequate case, a better processor, a much better heatsink on the processor, an equivalent video card, likely a roughly equivalent or somewhat better motherboard (many OEMs go cheap junk on motherboards, but iBuyPower typically doesn't), and a good SSD with plenty of capacity. The SSD and power supply are the huge differences; other than that, it's a little better than the iBuyPower system, but not a lot.
The basic idea of an SSD is that you install the OS and your main programs on the SSD, and then stick everything else on the hard drive. That way, the OS and your main programs will be fast, rather than making you constantly sit there and wait every time you want the computer to do anything. For bulk data such as videos, music, and pictures, the extra speed of an SSD doesn't matter, so those go on the hard drive.
and spend about the same on new egg would u guys be bale to help me out here?
also the new build will be for my wife(like the ibuypower i bought) it has to be under 1000 including shipping(casual gaming pc, doesnt have to be to much or to less, somwhere in the middle if ossible speed/power wise)
If you buy parts and assemble it yourself, then $1000 will get you something a lot better than what you bought from Wal-Mart. If you're interested in going that route, I could pick parts for a $1000 gaming computer for you.
not worth really spending 1500-2000 on a PC because after $1100 mark you dont really see much of an improvement in performance for the amount of money you are spending.
from my experience its best to invest in a nice quiet case with low RPM fans and a good quality power supply. these 2 things will not go obsolete like CPUs, GPUs and motherboards.
the case is very much personal preference but look for something with good cable management and solid build quality. corsair 500r, coolermaster HAF series are nice choices.
powersupply: get a nice modular ~600w PSU (plenty for a single GPU + overclocking headroom). dont go for cheap brands, they are shit capacitors which blow up and kill ur other hardware. recommendations: corsair hx650, corsair ax650, seasonic x660
look at some benchmarks for other components on anandtech, tomshardware, xbitlabs etc etc and just pick the best.
There's a promo code on the video card, too. I realize that you said you preferred Nvidia, but they're not at all competitive in the sub-$200 video card market, which is what you get on your budget. Paying $20 extra before rebate or $30 more after rebate for equivalent performance with an Nvidia logo rather than AMD is a luxury that you can have on a $1500 budget, but is a bad idea on $1000.
Total: $990 including shipping and before rebates.
As compared to the iBuyPower, this will get you a dramatically better power supply, a slightly worse but still adequate case, a better processor, a much better heatsink on the processor, an equivalent video card, likely a roughly equivalent or somewhat better motherboard (many OEMs go cheap junk on motherboards, but iBuyPower typically doesn't), and a good SSD with plenty of capacity. The SSD and power supply are the huge differences; other than that, it's a little better than the iBuyPower system, but not a lot.
The basic idea of an SSD is that you install the OS and your main programs on the SSD, and then stick everything else on the hard drive. That way, the OS and your main programs will be fast, rather than making you constantly sit there and wait every time you want the computer to do anything. For bulk data such as videos, music, and pictures, the extra speed of an SSD doesn't matter, so those go on the hard drive.
k so if i use the pc from walmart till this 1 is ready would i have any problems using it as is? thats my only concern
There's a promo code on the video card, too. I realize that you said you preferred Nvidia, but they're not at all competitive in the sub-$200 video card market, which is what you get on your budget. Paying $20 extra before rebate or $30 more after rebate for equivalent performance with an Nvidia logo rather than AMD is a luxury that you can have on a $1500 budget, but is a bad idea on $1000.
Total: $990 including shipping and before rebates.
As compared to the iBuyPower, this will get you a dramatically better power supply, a slightly worse but still adequate case, a better processor, a much better heatsink on the processor, an equivalent video card, likely a roughly equivalent or somewhat better motherboard (many OEMs go cheap junk on motherboards, but iBuyPower typically doesn't), and a good SSD with plenty of capacity. The SSD and power supply are the huge differences; other than that, it's a little better than the iBuyPower system, but not a lot.
The basic idea of an SSD is that you install the OS and your main programs on the SSD, and then stick everything else on the hard drive. That way, the OS and your main programs will be fast, rather than making you constantly sit there and wait every time you want the computer to do anything. For bulk data such as videos, music, and pictures, the extra speed of an SSD doesn't matter, so those go on the hard drive.
i dont agree with your case+PSU choice. never skimp on these because they will last you many upgrades to come.
i would try and get a hd7000 series GPU btw and the best budget CPU cooler is the coolermaster hyper 212. dont get the xigmatek. if you are looking to get a higher end CPU cooler get a noctua d14 or a thermalright silver arrow.
k so if i use the pc from walmart till this 1 is ready would i have any problems using it as is? thats my only concern
Do you already have the computer form Wal-Mart, or did you just order it and it hasn't been shipped yet? Because if it hasn't been shipped yet, it's probably best to just cancel the order. You can use your old computer for another week or so. If you wait for the computer to get to you and then ship it back, you might well have to pay shipping both ways, and possibly also a 15% or so restocking fee in order to return it. If you can even return it at all at that point.
The problem with a bad power supply is usually a long-term thing. The power supply isn't likely to be bad enough to fry things the day you get it; that will cause too many returns and headaches for the company that shipped it. But a bad power supply can slowly damage other parts, and cause obvious problems (e.g., computer won't boot, or running games causes a blue screen of death) 2 or 3 years down the road. If you wait until other parts are damaged, then replacing the power supply later no longer fixes it.
When you order a bunch of parts from New Egg, they might be shipped from different warehouses, and you have to wait for the last one to arrive to finish the computer. So you might have to wait a week or so to get the last parts and be done. But I'd be surprised if you have to wait more than a week, unless you live outside of the contiguous United States.
k since ill be able to use that 1 for a week or so thats fine. i have a 15 day return policy with them(this is my 2nd in the past 2 weeks) full refund. i just bring it back as is.
k heres what i want(i suck on neweggs website cant find bundles for shiz)
as the guy above u said. a case and psu is a must. if u can find me this pc package i will love u forever :P and idc anymore if it breaks over 1000 as i will be paying for it till i get my other pc so ill have the money by sept for my own pc.
i want that corsair 500r case(white)
i5 2500 intel procs
motherboard(no ideea) as long as its not bad
a graphics card that will keep me somewhat up to date( intel preffered)
ssd since u said is a must(whtever keeps my pc running smooth)
idc for flash drives memory card readers or any of that(strictly gaming)
decent ram memory
and whtever is needed to keep this pc running great for a decent time
Ya I think there will be no problem in using it. Well it also depend when you are planning to buy new one too. For short term there will absolutely be no problem.
Ya I think there will be no problem in using it. Well it also depend when you are planning to buy new one too. For short term there will absolutely be no problem.
planning on buying as soon as i get a build that im happy with performance and price wise (that means today)^_^ i think the limit shud be around where u stated it. 1100-1200 for now. and later down the road ill build my monster gaming pc (september!!!!! cant wait ^_^)
i dont agree with your case+PSU choice. never skimp on these because they will last you many upgrades to come.
i would try and get a hd7000 series GPU btw and the best budget CPU cooler is the coolermaster hyper 212. dont get the xigmatek. if you are looking to get a higher end CPU cooler get a noctua d14 or a thermalright silver arrow.
First off, let's realize that if you add more than $10, you're going over budget, so you'd have to cut back somewhere else.
The case is appropriate for a $1000 gaming machine:
Some high end video cards won't fit, but it can accommodate anything else nicely. Three case fans of 120 mm or larger sizes are included, which means plenty of airflow. If there's a need for more airflow in the future, then there is room to mount three more fans.
I think you're absolutely nuts to criticize the power supply choice on a $1000 budget. It's not some random piece of junk. It's Super Flower's gold platform.
It features very good energy efficiency, excellent transient overshoot results, excellent voltage regulation, pretty good ripple suppression, and high quality internal components. 650 W is more than enough for any modern single GPU gaming rig. So it's not modular and it doesn't come with the fanciest packaging. So what? Find something better (or even not markedly worse) for the same price and then we can talk.
For the CPU cooler, I really just wanted something cheap that was a lot better than the stock cooler. A lot better than the stock cooler isn't a high bar, so I mostly went for cheap with the combo deal. The Noctua and Thermalright coolers that you list are nice, sure. But you don't get an $80 cooler on a $1000 budget.
The trouble with a Radeon HD 7000 series card is that it's not as good on a price/performance basis as a clearance deal on Barts. A Radeon HD 7770 only saves you $10 before rebate and is $20 more expensive after rebate, while being about 20% slower. A Radeon HD 7850 costs $97 more before rebate while only being about 20% faster. Once Barts and Juniper disappear, we'll see prices on Pitcairn and Cape Verde fall, and then they'll be a better value for the money. But that hasn't happened yet.
That adds $100 to the price tag as compared to the Rosewill Challenger that I linked. For that matter, it's even more expensive than the full tower case I linked in the first build.
Cosair Force GT SSD (running Intel smart response technology)
Western Digital 1TB hard drive
750 W Cosair PSU
LG Blu Ray optical drive
ANTEC P280 case
Windows 7 64bit
What do you guys think...seems to run very fast, is very quiet and makes SWTOR look good!
this is actually a very nice build.
the 750 PSU is overkill for single GPU. 650 should be fine with plenty of headroom for overclocking.
16gb memory also seems overkill unless you run apps which need that much.
It's a nice computer. It's also not relevant to a $1000 build. $1600 spent wisely (or even spent not really all that stupidly) gets you something nicer than you can fit in a $1000 build.
That adds $100 to the price tag as compared to the Rosewill Challenger that I linked. For that matter, it's even more expensive than the full tower case I linked in the first build.
so if i go to a 1100-1300 budget. what could i get to make it decently better?(as off from the very first build u gave me) is the corsair a good case for the buck?will it be worth the investment?
Hubby says that he knows that it is overkill but this powersupply operates at 92% efficiency at 50% load and runs very quietly at that load.
System is so quiet it's hard to know if its on...
Not many power supplies can hit 92% efficiency at around 120 V; that's the threshold for 80 PLUS Platinum certification. Corsair's AX and HX series can sometimes touch around 90%, but not 92%. None of their others can come anywhere near 90% efficiency. If you live somewhere that the input voltage is 230 V or so, then that adds some to the energy efficiency.
Cosair Force GT SSD (running Intel smart response technology)
Western Digital 1TB hard drive
750 W Cosair PSU
LG Blu Ray optical drive
ANTEC P280 case
Windows 7 64bit
What do you guys think...seems to run very fast, is very quiet and makes SWTOR look good!
this is actually a very nice build.
the 750 PSU is overkill for single GPU. 650 should be fine with plenty of headroom for overclocking.
16gb memory also seems overkill unless you run apps which need that much.
It's a nice computer. It's also not relevant to a $1000 build. $1600 spent wisely (or even spent not really all that stupidly) gets you something nicer than you can fit in a $1000 build.
Agreed...was interested in opinions...sorry if was the wrong post for that.
That adds $100 to the price tag as compared to the Rosewill Challenger that I linked. For that matter, it's even more expensive than the full tower case I linked in the first build.
so if i go to a 1100-1300 budget. what could i get to make it decently better?(as off from the very first build u gave me) is the corsair a good case for the buck?will it be worth the investment?
The case is good if your PC is always in plain sight and you want it to match decor, otherwise its a little more spacey, little easier to work with but not enough to justify the costs. As for your price it would all invest to a GPU which IMO would be the wisest choice.
i do care a LITTLE for how the case looks but what attracted me to it was the removable dust filters(which i wanna thicken btw for extra dust catching as my appartment oddly gathers dust around alot)
That adds $100 to the price tag as compared to the Rosewill Challenger that I linked. For that matter, it's even more expensive than the full tower case I linked in the first build.
so if i go to a 1100-1300 budget. what could i get to make it decently better?(as off from the very first build u gave me) is the corsair a good case for the buck?will it be worth the investment?
It's getting late, so I'm not going to do another new build tonight. Rather, I'll just say, pick your priorities, mix and match parts from the two builds I linked, and maybe consider an intermediate video card, depending on how much you want to spend. Some options that are a decent enough value for the money in their price ranges:
i do care a LITTLE for how the case looks but what attracted me to it was the removable dust filters(which i wanna thicken btw for extra dust catching as my appartment oddly gathers dust around alot)
You don't need to spend $140 on a case to get removable dust filters.
I don't know if the Rosewill cases have dust filters or not. You could look into it. The combo deal with the power supply takes $20 off the price tag, which makes a big difference.
A good 650 W power supply will have plenty of power for any single GPU system that you might want to get, or even some but only some) CrossFire systems. Aori's suggestions of getting the Ranger case and a 7870 is one sensible way to add $200 to the price tag. There are quite a few others.
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Power supply/case combo deal: $115
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.867734
Make sure to use the promo code on the power supply. Same power supply as before, with a much cheaper case.
Processor/heatsink combo deal: $243
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.892708
Same processor as before, cheaper heatsink.
Memory/motherboard combo deal: $142 before a $20 rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.883677
Same memory as before, cheaper motherboard. There's a promo code on the motherboard, too.
Video card: $160 before a $30 rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150561
There's a promo code on the video card, too. I realize that you said you preferred Nvidia, but they're not at all competitive in the sub-$200 video card market, which is what you get on your budget. Paying $20 extra before rebate or $30 more after rebate for equivalent performance with an Nvidia logo rather than AMD is a luxury that you can have on a $1500 budget, but is a bad idea on $1000.
Optical drive: $18
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289
Free shipping with the promo code.
Operating system: $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986
SSD: $125
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226236
A bit smaller and cheaper than before.
Hard drive: $87
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152181
Again, smaller and cheaper than before.
Total: $990 including shipping and before rebates.
As compared to the iBuyPower, this will get you a dramatically better power supply, a slightly worse but still adequate case, a better processor, a much better heatsink on the processor, an equivalent video card, likely a roughly equivalent or somewhat better motherboard (many OEMs go cheap junk on motherboards, but iBuyPower typically doesn't), and a good SSD with plenty of capacity. The SSD and power supply are the huge differences; other than that, it's a little better than the iBuyPower system, but not a lot.
The basic idea of an SSD is that you install the OS and your main programs on the SSD, and then stick everything else on the hard drive. That way, the OS and your main programs will be fast, rather than making you constantly sit there and wait every time you want the computer to do anything. For bulk data such as videos, music, and pictures, the extra speed of an SSD doesn't matter, so those go on the hard drive.
In that case, I only made you wait another 3 seconds after that post. Or until you refreshed it, which is probably much longer.
please do sir ^_^
lool. posted that right after ur 2nd :P
not worth really spending 1500-2000 on a PC because after $1100 mark you dont really see much of an improvement in performance for the amount of money you are spending.
from my experience its best to invest in a nice quiet case with low RPM fans and a good quality power supply. these 2 things will not go obsolete like CPUs, GPUs and motherboards.
the case is very much personal preference but look for something with good cable management and solid build quality. corsair 500r, coolermaster HAF series are nice choices.
powersupply: get a nice modular ~600w PSU (plenty for a single GPU + overclocking headroom). dont go for cheap brands, they are shit capacitors which blow up and kill ur other hardware. recommendations: corsair hx650, corsair ax650, seasonic x660
look at some benchmarks for other components on anandtech, tomshardware, xbitlabs etc etc and just pick the best.
k so if i use the pc from walmart till this 1 is ready would i have any problems using it as is? thats my only concern
i dont agree with your case+PSU choice. never skimp on these because they will last you many upgrades to come.
i would try and get a hd7000 series GPU btw and the best budget CPU cooler is the coolermaster hyper 212. dont get the xigmatek. if you are looking to get a higher end CPU cooler get a noctua d14 or a thermalright silver arrow.
Do you already have the computer form Wal-Mart, or did you just order it and it hasn't been shipped yet? Because if it hasn't been shipped yet, it's probably best to just cancel the order. You can use your old computer for another week or so. If you wait for the computer to get to you and then ship it back, you might well have to pay shipping both ways, and possibly also a 15% or so restocking fee in order to return it. If you can even return it at all at that point.
The problem with a bad power supply is usually a long-term thing. The power supply isn't likely to be bad enough to fry things the day you get it; that will cause too many returns and headaches for the company that shipped it. But a bad power supply can slowly damage other parts, and cause obvious problems (e.g., computer won't boot, or running games causes a blue screen of death) 2 or 3 years down the road. If you wait until other parts are damaged, then replacing the power supply later no longer fixes it.
When you order a bunch of parts from New Egg, they might be shipped from different warehouses, and you have to wait for the last one to arrive to finish the computer. So you might have to wait a week or so to get the last parts and be done. But I'd be surprised if you have to wait more than a week, unless you live outside of the contiguous United States.
k since ill be able to use that 1 for a week or so thats fine. i have a 15 day return policy with them(this is my 2nd in the past 2 weeks) full refund. i just bring it back as is.
k heres what i want(i suck on neweggs website cant find bundles for shiz)
as the guy above u said. a case and psu is a must. if u can find me this pc package i will love u forever :P and idc anymore if it breaks over 1000 as i will be paying for it till i get my other pc so ill have the money by sept for my own pc.
i want that corsair 500r case(white)
i5 2500 intel procs
motherboard(no ideea) as long as its not bad
a graphics card that will keep me somewhat up to date( intel preffered)
ssd since u said is a must(whtever keeps my pc running smooth)
idc for flash drives memory card readers or any of that(strictly gaming)
decent ram memory
and whtever is needed to keep this pc running great for a decent time
this is actually a very nice build.
the 750 PSU is overkill for single GPU. 650 should be fine with plenty of headroom for overclocking.
16gb memory also seems overkill unless you run apps which need that much.
Ya I think there will be no problem in using it. Well it also depend when you are planning to buy new one too. For short term there will absolutely be no problem.
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planning on buying as soon as i get a build that im happy with performance and price wise (that means today)^_^ i think the limit shud be around where u stated it. 1100-1200 for now. and later down the road ill build my monster gaming pc (september!!!!! cant wait ^_^)
Hubby says that he knows that it is overkill but this powersupply operates at 92% efficiency at 50% load and runs very quietly at that load.
System is so quiet it's hard to know if its on...
First off, let's realize that if you add more than $10, you're going over budget, so you'd have to cut back somewhere else.
The case is appropriate for a $1000 gaming machine:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147060
Some high end video cards won't fit, but it can accommodate anything else nicely. Three case fans of 120 mm or larger sizes are included, which means plenty of airflow. If there's a need for more airflow in the future, then there is room to mount three more fans.
I think you're absolutely nuts to criticize the power supply choice on a $1000 budget. It's not some random piece of junk. It's Super Flower's gold platform.
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=266
It features very good energy efficiency, excellent transient overshoot results, excellent voltage regulation, pretty good ripple suppression, and high quality internal components. 650 W is more than enough for any modern single GPU gaming rig. So it's not modular and it doesn't come with the fanciest packaging. So what? Find something better (or even not markedly worse) for the same price and then we can talk.
For the CPU cooler, I really just wanted something cheap that was a lot better than the stock cooler. A lot better than the stock cooler isn't a high bar, so I mostly went for cheap with the combo deal. The Noctua and Thermalright coolers that you list are nice, sure. But you don't get an $80 cooler on a $1000 budget.
The trouble with a Radeon HD 7000 series card is that it's not as good on a price/performance basis as a clearance deal on Barts. A Radeon HD 7770 only saves you $10 before rebate and is $20 more expensive after rebate, while being about 20% slower. A Radeon HD 7850 costs $97 more before rebate while only being about 20% faster. Once Barts and Juniper disappear, we'll see prices on Pitcairn and Cape Verde fall, and then they'll be a better value for the money. But that hasn't happened yet.
Nice case, sure. But look what it costs:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139009
That adds $100 to the price tag as compared to the Rosewill Challenger that I linked. For that matter, it's even more expensive than the full tower case I linked in the first build.
It's a nice computer. It's also not relevant to a $1000 build. $1600 spent wisely (or even spent not really all that stupidly) gets you something nicer than you can fit in a $1000 build.
so if i go to a 1100-1300 budget. what could i get to make it decently better?(as off from the very first build u gave me) is the corsair a good case for the buck?will it be worth the investment?
Not many power supplies can hit 92% efficiency at around 120 V; that's the threshold for 80 PLUS Platinum certification. Corsair's AX and HX series can sometimes touch around 90%, but not 92%. None of their others can come anywhere near 90% efficiency. If you live somewhere that the input voltage is 230 V or so, then that adds some to the energy efficiency.
Agreed...was interested in opinions...sorry if was the wrong post for that.
i do care a LITTLE for how the case looks but what attracted me to it was the removable dust filters(which i wanna thicken btw for extra dust catching as my appartment oddly gathers dust around alot)
It's getting late, so I'm not going to do another new build tonight. Rather, I'll just say, pick your priorities, mix and match parts from the two builds I linked, and maybe consider an intermediate video card, depending on how much you want to spend. Some options that are a decent enough value for the money in their price ranges:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102986
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130620
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102981
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127567
You don't need to spend $140 on a case to get removable dust filters.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129180
I don't know if the Rosewill cases have dust filters or not. You could look into it. The combo deal with the power supply takes $20 off the price tag, which makes a big difference.
You don't need dust filters for exhaust fans.
k heres the only thing i need help with and i will buy it right now
from the very First build u made me. can u cut 300-400$ off on that build to make it a decent pc? and i will add it to cart and buy it
or add 200 $ or so to the 2nd build whichever is eazier :P
and i apolagize for all the confusion i just wanna do this right
and keep the case/powersupply?
A good 650 W power supply will have plenty of power for any single GPU system that you might want to get, or even some but only some) CrossFire systems. Aori's suggestions of getting the Ranger case and a 7870 is one sensible way to add $200 to the price tag. There are quite a few others.