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En Masse IP block

corpsegankcorpsegank somewherePosts: 38Member

 


En Masse will block IPs based on region. Asia, Africa, Russia, and the Middle East are included on the block list. While we appreciate that there are players in these regions who would enjoy playing on En Masse servers, it's unfortunate that the vast majority of Internet traffic we see from these regions are from cyber-criminals relating to account theft, gold-farming and other hacking behavior.


 


Who else finds this extremely ridicioulus 

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  • kileakkileak dallas, TXPosts: 31Member

    extremely ridicioulus ? no not really... they should of added that they also dont have the license to sell to said regions and as such couldnt anyways even if they wanted to due to BHS owning the game and not en masse....

     

    but thats a diffrent topic more or less... there is alot of cyber crime from some of those regions but it's not the only reason for the block.

  • corpsegankcorpsegank somewherePosts: 38Member

    Originally posted by kileak

    extremely ridicioulus ? no not really... they should of added that they also dont have the license to sell to said regions and as such couldnt anyways even if they wanted to due to BHS owning the game and not en masse....

     

    but thats a diffrent topic more or less... there is alot of cyber crime from some of those regions but it's not the only reason for the block.

     

    Source, for all of it.

     

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  • KumaponKumapon Vancouver, BCPosts: 705Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by kileak
    extremely ridicioulus ? no not really... they should of added that they also dont have the license to sell to said regions and as such couldnt anyways even if they wanted to due to BHS owning the game and not en masse....
     
    but thats a diffrent topic more or less... there is alot of cyber crime from some of those regions but it's not the only reason for the block.

    Pretty much this

    Hangame owns the rights to K-TERA

    NHN owns the rights to J-TERA

    OMG owns the rights to C-TERA

    and the Russians already have a really good private server to go to so they really don't need anyone at all..lol

    Besides IP blocks mean nothing, if you have any idea of how things work they can easily be bypassed. Half of the guild I am in lives in Korea, but they all can play NA TERA just fine.

  • arctarusarctarus nilPosts: 2,570Member Uncommon
    I rather they be straight forward and say they don't have distribution rights in those areas rather than lumping them together and accuse the while area as thieves.

    they have isolates themselves a huge fanbase by doing so. Their lost I guess...

    RIP Orc Choppa

  • corpsegankcorpsegank somewherePosts: 38Member

    Originally posted by arctarus

    I rather they be straight forward and say they don't have distribution rights in those areas rather than lumping them together and accuse the while area as thieves.



    they have isolates themselves a huge fanbase by doing so. Their lost I guess...

    Agreed, they could've just done what vindictus does. 

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  • Nadya3Nadya3 MadridPosts: 348Member

    i hope Tera EU does the IP block as well

  • bobfishbobfish SouthamptonPosts: 1,688Member

    TERA EU is only IP blocking Russia. Frogster isn't as paranoid about cybercriminals as En Masse is. And current theory is that Russia has an unannounced local version coming.

  • jazz.bejazz.be Sint-NiklaasPosts: 820Member Uncommon

    Because cyber criminals don't mask their ip...

    Rediculous indeed.

     

  • corpsegankcorpsegank somewherePosts: 38Member

    Originally posted by Nadya3

    i hope Tera EU does the IP block as well.

    Arrogance^^

     

    As the post above me says, if someone had the knowledge to hack the game servers and they wanted to do it, they could easily bypass the IP block. This is just fuckin' ridicoulus, if en masse don't want their servers hacked they shouldn't go straight to the worst solution (blocking IPs) which doesn't even do jack shit. If anything, they will probably provoke people to hack them.

     

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  • runelynxrunelynx lake forest, CAPosts: 2Member

    It sounds like you folks are new to MMOs. The core 'target' of the block is not hackers, obviously - nor does it say anywhere that it is. It is the group who ruins the game economics and constantly bothers everyone with password phishing to fuel the farming efforts - which could also easily be filed as 'cyber crime' due to fraud.

    It's not hard for anyone to mask their IP, but don't lose focus here please...  it's not hardcore hackers in the intent.

    Yeesh. Get a hobby :)

  • jazz.bejazz.be Sint-NiklaasPosts: 820Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by runelynx

    It sounds like you folks are new to MMOs. The core 'target' of the block is not hackers, obviously - nor does it say anywhere that it is. It is the group who ruins the game economics and constantly bothers everyone with password phishing to fuel the farming efforts - which could also easily be filed as 'cyber crime' due to fraud.

    It's not hard for anyone to mask their IP, but don't lose focus here please...  it's not hardcore hackers in the intent.

    Yeesh. Get a hobby :)

    Those people that are out there to phish and steal people's accounts aren't regular users you know. They probably do mask their ip and probably change it every hour, and this ip block will do nothing to them.

    I consider myself a normal consumer (obviously not into phishing or anything) and even I'm subscribed to a vpn service.

  • t0nydt0nyd Evansville, INPosts: 199Member Uncommon

    If you worked in IT security you would understand why they are blocking certain IP's. The average, easiest, and best method of hacking is social engineering. No matter how tight you secure something, acl's, vlans, vm's, the weak leak will always be the end user. When morons set their password to their childname and birthdate, which is all to common, any decent hacker will easily get that person into a conversation about their child. Social engineering takes very little technical know how and blocking IP's will reduce phishing scams, etc.

     The average hacker isnt trying to brute force your password. The average hacker isnt sniffing your wi-fi. The average hacker starts a seemingly innoocent conversation to get what info he/she needs. Thats why most mmo's fail so miserably at security. Having your account name being your email address is total fail, but thats another rant.


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  • corpsegankcorpsegank somewherePosts: 38Member

    Originally posted by runelynx

    It sounds like you folks are new to MMOs. The core 'target' of the block is not hackers, obviously - nor does it say anywhere that it is. It is the group who ruins the game economics and constantly bothers everyone with password phishing to fuel the farming efforts - which could also easily be filed as 'cyber crime' due to fraud.

    It's not hard for anyone to mask their IP, but don't lose focus here please...  it's not hardcore hackers in the intent.

    Yeesh. Get a hobby :)

    Not new to MMOs at all, i'm more of a veteran. I just generallized all types of cyber crimes into "hacking". Either way, i get that they're blocking Asia, they have their own servers and most gold farmers are korean. But why IP block the middle east, i live in the middle east (Dubai) and there is only one person i've met so far that even knows about the game, and he's korean. I don't even know what i'm trying to prove here but, it just isn't fair that we're getting stereotyped like this.

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  • corpsegankcorpsegank somewherePosts: 38Member

    Originally posted by t0nyd

    If you worked in IT security you would understand why they are blocking certain IP's. The average, easiest, and best method of hacking is social engineering. No matter how tight you secure something, acl's, vlans, vm's, the weak leak will always be the end user. When morons set their password to their childname and birthdate, which is all to common, any decent hacker will easily get that person into a conversation about their child. Social engineering takes very little technical know how and blocking IP's will reduce phishing scams, etc.

    So you're saying the mentioned regions are being IP blocked because of idiots?

    That's the user's fault, not ours. They should promote account security and such, not fuckin' block regions

     

    Edit : Yes we are users too but for fuck sake, how hard is it to make a secure password.

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  • t0nydt0nyd Evansville, INPosts: 199Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by corpsegank

    Originally posted by t0nyd

    If you worked in IT security you would understand why they are blocking certain IP's. The average, easiest, and best method of hacking is social engineering. No matter how tight you secure something, acl's, vlans, vm's, the weak leak will always be the end user. When morons set their password to their childname and birthdate, which is all to common, any decent hacker will easily get that person into a conversation about their child. Social engineering takes very little technical know how and blocking IP's will reduce phishing scams, etc.

    So you're saying the mentioned regions are being IP blocked because of idiots?

    That's the user's fault, not ours. They should promote account security and such, not fuckin' block regions

     

     Yes, the average end user is an idiot. Yes, the smart people of the world are punished for what the idiots do. Half the laws in the United States exist because the average person is mentally challenged. If the average person were intelligent we wouldnt need speed limits, anti-drug laws, seat belt laws, a drinking age, etc.


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  • LoktofeitLoktofeit Stone Mountain, GAPosts: 13,669Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by arctarus

    I rather they be straight forward and say they don't have distribution rights in those areas rather than lumping them together and accuse the while area as thieves.



    they have isolates themselves a huge fanbase by doing so. Their lost I guess...

    Maybe you should share your market data with them because theirs is obviously wrong. Ooooor... maybe your assessment is based on absolutely nothing other than personal assumption and En Masse's is based on years of actual revenue, demographic and historical data from multiple sources and agencies.

     

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  • corpsegankcorpsegank somewherePosts: 38Member

    Originally posted by t0nyd

    Originally posted by corpsegank


    Originally posted by t0nyd

    If you worked in IT security you would understand why they are blocking certain IP's. The average, easiest, and best method of hacking is social engineering. No matter how tight you secure something, acl's, vlans, vm's, the weak leak will always be the end user. When morons set their password to their childname and birthdate, which is all to common, any decent hacker will easily get that person into a conversation about their child. Social engineering takes very little technical know how and blocking IP's will reduce phishing scams, etc.

    So you're saying the mentioned regions are being IP blocked because of idiots?

    That's the user's fault, not ours. They should promote account security and such, not fuckin' block regions

     

     Yes, the average end user is an idiot. Yes, the smart people of the world are punished for what the idiots do. Half the laws in the United States exist because the average person is mentally challenged. If the average person were intelligent we wouldnt need speed limits, anti-drug laws, seat belt laws, a drinking age, etc.

    I'm aware of this but why are they dumbing things down and not implementing some sort of tutorial/explanation system.

     

    (Sorry i can't explain exactly what i'm thinking of english is not my native language and i have very few words to choose from)

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  • grimfallgrimfall Missouri City, TXPosts: 1,155Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by t0nyd

    Originally posted by corpsegank


    Originally posted by t0nyd

    If you worked in IT security you would understand why they are blocking certain IP's. The average, easiest, and best method of hacking is social engineering. No matter how tight you secure something, acl's, vlans, vm's, the weak leak will always be the end user. When morons set their password to their childname and birthdate, which is all to common, any decent hacker will easily get that person into a conversation about their child. Social engineering takes very little technical know how and blocking IP's will reduce phishing scams, etc.

    So you're saying the mentioned regions are being IP blocked because of idiots?

    That's the user's fault, not ours. They should promote account security and such, not fuckin' block regions

     

     Yes, the average end user is an idiot. Yes, the smart people of the world are punished for what the idiots do. Half the laws in the United States exist because the average person is mentally challenged. If the average person were intelligent we wouldnt need speed limits, anti-drug laws, seat belt laws, a drinking age, etc.



    Don't quote me on this, but I am pretty sure the average person in the US is of average intelligence.

  • sibs4455sibs4455 manchesterPosts: 357Member

    Originally posted by bobfish

    TERA EU is only IP blocking Russia. Frogster isn't as paranoid about cybercriminals as En Masse is. And current theory is that Russia has an unannounced local version coming.

    Never say never:

    It was only last year when Frogster ip blocked alot of countrys from playing Runes of Magic, most of the players that were affected by the block had spent lots of money on their accounts and had played the game for a couple of years.

    Don't forget either the fiasco with the locking of Diamonds in the auction house, you see Frogster are very paranoid about cyber criminals too.

     

  • corpsegankcorpsegank somewherePosts: 38Member

    Originally posted by grimfall

    Originally posted by t0nyd


    Originally posted by corpsegank


    Originally posted by t0nyd

    If you worked in IT security you would understand why they are blocking certain IP's. The average, easiest, and best method of hacking is social engineering. No matter how tight you secure something, acl's, vlans, vm's, the weak leak will always be the end user. When morons set their password to their childname and birthdate, which is all to common, any decent hacker will easily get that person into a conversation about their child. Social engineering takes very little technical know how and blocking IP's will reduce phishing scams, etc.

    So you're saying the mentioned regions are being IP blocked because of idiots?

    That's the user's fault, not ours. They should promote account security and such, not fuckin' block regions

     

     Yes, the average end user is an idiot. Yes, the smart people of the world are punished for what the idiots do. Half the laws in the United States exist because the average person is mentally challenged. If the average person were intelligent we wouldnt need speed limits, anti-drug laws, seat belt laws, a drinking age, etc.



    Don't quote me on this, but I am pretty sure the average person in the US is of average intelligence.

     

    I will quote you, and you're wrong. Even though i don't live in the US, i have been there and holy fuckin' shit. (No offense)

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  • t0nydt0nyd Evansville, INPosts: 199Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by corpsegank

    Originally posted by grimfall


    Originally posted by t0nyd


    Originally posted by corpsegank


    Originally posted by t0nyd

    If you worked in IT security you would understand why they are blocking certain IP's. The average, easiest, and best method of hacking is social engineering. No matter how tight you secure something, acl's, vlans, vm's, the weak leak will always be the end user. When morons set their password to their childname and birthdate, which is all to common, any decent hacker will easily get that person into a conversation about their child. Social engineering takes very little technical know how and blocking IP's will reduce phishing scams, etc.

    So you're saying the mentioned regions are being IP blocked because of idiots?

    That's the user's fault, not ours. They should promote account security and such, not fuckin' block regions

     

     Yes, the average end user is an idiot. Yes, the smart people of the world are punished for what the idiots do. Half the laws in the United States exist because the average person is mentally challenged. If the average person were intelligent we wouldnt need speed limits, anti-drug laws, seat belt laws, a drinking age, etc.



    Don't quote me on this, but I am pretty sure the average person in the US is of average intelligence.

     

    I will quote you, and you're wrong. Even though i don't live in the US, i have been there and holy fuckin' shit. (No offense)

     

     I'm sure it came down to a cost benefit analysis.  Are we going to gain enough revenue out of this local to offset the revenue lost in another local due to phishing, gold selling, etc.  Developing new security technologies and software for a fledgling mmo is a pretty big gamble. Companies like blizzard should be leading the pack when it comes to mmo security.  Soon we are going to need a thumb drive, some dongle, or a phone app to store passwords on simply to check our email. Imagine using biometrics to long into an MMO. Lickpads for everyone...


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  • Deron_BarakDeron_Barak Portland, ORPosts: 1,136Member
    Look at it this way. Even after IP blocks and Chronoscrolls there could still be a market for illegal RMT and account scamming. What those things do is create walls so that what does get through is easier to notice and take care of.

    You think MMO publishers want to have less subs? they are doing this for the benefit of their intended audience sticking to regions not already covered where they have legal recourse.

    It's not personal, it's business.

    Just not worth my time anymore.

  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöPosts: 18,007Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by kileak

    extremely ridicioulus ? no not really... they should of added that they also dont have the license to sell to said regions and as such couldnt anyways even if they wanted to due to BHS owning the game and not en masse....

    but thats a diffrent topic more or less... there is alot of cyber crime from some of those regions but it's not the only reason for the block.

    It still sucks but there is really not much to do here.

    The cybercriminals will find ways anyways, it is not that hard to mask your IP so that is not what this is about, En masse bought license rights for the places they thought would earn them most money, it is not unlikely that they will add some more places later.

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