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Who else went out on a limb to support Funcom through Lifetime?

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  • wrightstufwrightstuf Carlsbad, CAPosts: 655Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by karmath

    If you fork out $200+ for ANYTHING your yet to even see outside of developer/press marketing you are the sole reason why the MMO genre has bcome nothing more than a bait and switch cash grab. Congrats.

    You make it sound like "developer/marketing" is a bad thing.

    I am most definately going for a lifetime. I consider it an excellent entertainment value. I consider myself a pretty good judge of a particular MMO's longevity and wether or not its worth it to me to play for a long time. When i think of all the money i could of saved in all the years i played DAoC, AO, WoW, it makes me sad.

    You're saying that i'm the reason for bait and switch cash grab. Can you please explain how the "bait and switch" relates to the MMO genre? I dont see it.

    You must not understand good business practices or marketing principles. There are many examples of lifetime subs to various products.  As the informed consumer, you must decide if it worth it or not. They certainly all arent created equal.

     To say i'm promoting business scams and thereby hurting the MMO genre is untrue and unfair.

  • raistlinmraistlinm new orleans, LAPosts: 673Member

    Originally posted by wrightstuf

    Originally posted by karmath

    If you fork out $200+ for ANYTHING your yet to even see outside of developer/press marketing you are the sole reason why the MMO genre has bcome nothing more than a bait and switch cash grab. Congrats.

    You make it sound like "developer/marketing" is a bad thing.

    I am most definately going for a lifetime. I consider it an excellent entertainment value. I consider myself a pretty good judge of a particular MMO's longevity and wether or not its worth it to me to play for a long time. When i think of all the money i could of saved in all the years i played DAoC, AO, WoW, it makes me sad.

    You're saying that i'm the reason for bait and switch cash grab. Can you please explain how the "bait and switch" relates to the MMO genre? I dont see it.

    You must not understand good business practices or marketing principles. There are many examples of lifetime subs to various products.  As the informed consumer, you must decide if it worth it or not. They certainly all arent created equal.

     To say i'm promoting business scams and thereby hurting the MMO genre is untrue and unfair.

    What other services that offer monthly subscriptions offer lifetime subs?  Premium tv service? not that I know of nor telecommunication.  MMORPG's are the only medium I know of that routinely asks it's customers to pay for something not even released yet and I can't think of any other medium that falls as hard on delivery either.

  • NethriilNethriil OsloPosts: 178Member
    Originally posted by raistlinm


    Originally posted by wrightstuf


    Originally posted by karmath


    If you fork out $200+ for ANYTHING your yet to even see outside of developer/press marketing you are the sole reason why the MMO genre has bcome nothing more than a bait and switch cash grab. Congrats.

    You make it sound like "developer/marketing" is a bad thing.

    I am most definately going for a lifetime. I consider it an excellent entertainment value. I consider myself a pretty good judge of a particular MMO's longevity and wether or not its worth it to me to play for a long time. When i think of all the money i could of saved in all the years i played DAoC, AO, WoW, it makes me sad.

    You're saying that i'm the reason for bait and switch cash grab. Can you please explain how the "bait and switch" relates to the MMO genre? I dont see it.

    You must not understand good business practices or marketing principles. There are many examples of lifetime subs to various products.  As the informed consumer, you must decide if it worth it or not. They certainly all arent created equal.

     To say i'm promoting business scams and thereby hurting the MMO genre is untrue and unfair.

    What other services that offer monthly subscriptions offer lifetime subs?  Premium tv service? not that I know of nor telecommunication.  MMORPG's are the only medium I know of that routinely asks it's customers to pay for something not even released yet and I can't think of any other medium that falls as hard on delivery either.

     

    This lifetime is optional. Why the big fuzz. If people want to spend 200 then that is their right. Why make arguments about it.
  • GoldenArrowGoldenArrow TurkuPosts: 1,187Member

    Originally posted by Kuppa

    Originally posted by Unshra

     

    No matter if it's an indie company or a large corporation, if I like what I see in their product I'll buy it. In the case of The Secret World I know I like it and I'll leave it at that so yes I had no issue paying them for something I liked and truth be told I will have a harder time giving ArenaNet a similar amount for their MMO at this point in time but that's because I have yet to see it for myself.

    GW2's lifetime sub is $60 image

    That's pretty good for a game with no endgame.

    Oh and throw in few expansions that aren't included in the "lifetime" :j

  • EvilestTwinEvilestTwin New York, NYPosts: 286Member

    Originally posted by GoldenArrow

    Originally posted by Kuppa


    Originally posted by Unshra

     

    No matter if it's an indie company or a large corporation, if I like what I see in their product I'll buy it. In the case of The Secret World I know I like it and I'll leave it at that so yes I had no issue paying them for something I liked and truth be told I will have a harder time giving ArenaNet a similar amount for their MMO at this point in time but that's because I have yet to see it for myself.

    GW2's lifetime sub is $60 image

    That's pretty good for a game with no endgame.

    Oh and throw in few expansions that aren't included in the "lifetime" :j

    Compared to recent MMOs, I'd say it has vastly more endgame than any of them.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,187Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by GoldenArrow

    Originally posted by Kuppa


    Originally posted by Unshra

     

    No matter if it's an indie company or a large corporation, if I like what I see in their product I'll buy it. In the case of The Secret World I know I like it and I'll leave it at that so yes I had no issue paying them for something I liked and truth be told I will have a harder time giving ArenaNet a similar amount for their MMO at this point in time but that's because I have yet to see it for myself.

    GW2's lifetime sub is $60 image

    That's pretty good for a game with no endgame.

    Oh and throw in few expansions that aren't included in the "lifetime" :j

    That argument specious at best and plainly poor reasoning at worst, if not outright baiting.

    1. Nowhere have I seen that Funcom will include future expansions for "free" for LIfers.  Historically Freemium games like AoC and LotRO don't include xpacs for free for their subscribed/lifer accounts.  There is no reason to think that TSW will be any different and subjects you to your same criticism of GW2.

    2. Endgame is a red herring and even if it was a valid argument would put TSW in the spotlight there as well.  All of the marketing I've been getting in emails and news stories has pointed out a leveless skill system where there is no end game.  So I don't see where you are shooting from unless you planning on standing in front that shotgun too.

    The point is Guild Wars has an entry cost of approximately $60 here in the US that grants "lifetime" access to the servers.  TSW entry cost for that same sort of access looks to be over $250.  That's quite a difference.  I think the entry cost for Guild Wars is high for a game that is so closely modeled after F2P offerings with no entry cost, but in comparison the cost for TSW seems ludicrous to me.  But that's just from a pre-release perspective.  The proof of the pudding shall be in what those studios and publishers offer their customers in content upgrades that are included in the entry fee and how much more they'll charge in addition to that.

  • heartlessheartless Brooklyn, NYPosts: 4,993Member

    Originally posted by GoldenArrow

    Originally posted by Kuppa


    Originally posted by Unshra

     

    No matter if it's an indie company or a large corporation, if I like what I see in their product I'll buy it. In the case of The Secret World I know I like it and I'll leave it at that so yes I had no issue paying them for something I liked and truth be told I will have a harder time giving ArenaNet a similar amount for their MMO at this point in time but that's because I have yet to see it for myself.

    GW2's lifetime sub is $60 image

    That's pretty good for a game with no endgame.

    Oh and throw in few expansions that aren't included in the "lifetime" :j

    Wait, you actually think that TSW expansions will be free for lifers? Oh boy, are you in for a rude awakening.

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  • ArkainArkain Tampa, FLPosts: 490Member Uncommon

    I will get the life time as well, if it goes F2P in 2 years I still save money, if it does in a year I break even, and with the limits that F2P often has, it will still save me money over the years.

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  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COPosts: 3,292Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by GoldenArrow

    Originally posted by Kuppa


    Originally posted by Unshra

     

    No matter if it's an indie company or a large corporation, if I like what I see in their product I'll buy it. In the case of The Secret World I know I like it and I'll leave it at that so yes I had no issue paying them for something I liked and truth be told I will have a harder time giving ArenaNet a similar amount for their MMO at this point in time but that's because I have yet to see it for myself.

    GW2's lifetime sub is $60 image

    That's pretty good for a game with no endgame.

    Oh and throw in few expansions that aren't included in the "lifetime" :j

    Have we seen any of the TSW endgame? You believe they are giving away expansions to life subbers in TSW??? image

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  • ZekiahZekiah Aurora, COPosts: 2,499Member

    Originally posted by EvilestTwin

    Originally posted by GoldenArrow


    Originally posted by Kuppa


    Originally posted by Unshra

     

    No matter if it's an indie company or a large corporation, if I like what I see in their product I'll buy it. In the case of The Secret World I know I like it and I'll leave it at that so yes I had no issue paying them for something I liked and truth be told I will have a harder time giving ArenaNet a similar amount for their MMO at this point in time but that's because I have yet to see it for myself.

    GW2's lifetime sub is $60 image

    That's pretty good for a game with no endgame.

    Oh and throw in few expansions that aren't included in the "lifetime" :j

    Compared to recent MMOs, I'd say it has vastly more endgame than any of them.

    Which is...?

    "Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  • baldernonobaldernono Cosne sur LoirePosts: 94Member

    Thats a good offer in my opinion. Generally i am against standardization of p2p fee (since decade!)... It remind me internet or phone provider with their same price... I wait the day one of these publisher will lower their price and kill the offer...

    I assume beeing a consumer in a capitalist world but beeing considering as a milk cow...

    However i want to test it before deciding if i will play it (and think of lifetime subscription)

  • eyeswideopeneyeswideopen Fresno, CAPosts: 2,414Member

    Originally posted by Cinge

    There is a reason FC is giving so many "pay extra" options before the release. They have failed twice now, they know their reputation is complete crap. The fact the offered all these extra options for more $ ( on top of box and sub fees) shows to me they are just trying to get as much money as they can right away. They probably don't have a lot of confidence themselves in their own game.

     

    Ding ding ding!!

    We have a winner!

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    -And on the 8th day, man created God.-

  • MaitraderMaitrader Simi Valley, CAPosts: 389Member
    I certainly anticipate a much juicier, more fufill Grilled Wars 2. Lol so many trolls in this thread when they should ne in their own games forums..

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  • UnshraUnshra Hanover, MDPosts: 382Member

    Originally posted by eyeswideopen

    Originally posted by Cinge

    There is a reason FC is giving so many "pay extra" options before the release. They have failed twice now, they know their reputation is complete crap. The fact the offered all these extra options for more $ ( on top of box and sub fees) shows to me they are just trying to get as much money as they can right away. They probably don't have a lot of confidence themselves in their own game.

    Ding ding ding!!

    We have a winner!

    I'm more of the opinion that they look to go hybrid right out the gate, this is reflected in their wording "Life-time premium subscription". Personally have no issue with this and if it follow a model like AoC then those with a life-time account will get the expansions as part of the subsciption while those playing for free will have to pay. Lets face it even if The Secret World does not start out as hybrid it will quickly go that route after all Funcom started the whole damn thing with Anarchy Online it just took Turbine to make it popular.

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  • SuperXero89SuperXero89 Amory, MSPosts: 2,544Member Uncommon

    Buying a lifetime subscription is utter foolishness.  Does money come that freely to you that you'll blindly throw a large chunk of cash at a product you have such limited experience with?

  • wrightstufwrightstuf Carlsbad, CAPosts: 655Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by xZeRGz

    Originally posted by EndDream

    I think the game will certainly eventually be f2p... but they may give cool stuff when it does anyway.

     

    Considering every other title they own is... me thinks it's a safe bet.

    True....but..Anarchy Online was subscription from jun 01 till dec 04. three and a half years. Had they offered a lifetime sub and you played, that would of worked out to $4.73 a month. An incredible value.

    You'd be laughing all the way to the bank.

    As an aside, i played AO for 2 years and loved that game. One of the most underrated MMOs ever and ahead of its time.

  • RawizRawiz HelsinkiPosts: 469Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by maitrader

    I certainly anticipate a much juicier, more fufill Grilled Wars 2. Lol so many trolls in this thread when they should ne in their own games forums..

    Yes, everyone who disagrees with what you say are trolls.

    Buying a lifetime to a Funcom game? It's actually hard to think of a worse way to spend $200. I won't even buy the game until 3-6 months have passed. Even then it would require Funcom to have held up to their hypemachine, which is doubtful at best.

  • BarCrowBarCrow Tampa, FLPosts: 2,212Member

    Originally posted by Ekaros

    Originally posted by PukeBucket

    I don't think I'd life time sub to any MMO. Just cuz it's real easy for a plug to be pulled and that "investment" goes nill.

    That's my decision. As a person in the creative industry I'm glad suckers are born every minute.

     

    FC doesn't have history of killing MMOs...

     

    On other hand, I don't pre-order it cause EUR-USD pricing and the fact their payment account don't allow adding it.

     

    If they now offered life-time for AO, I would take it...

    So true....if anything...Funcom has proven they won't let your MMO die at all. Good if you like their games and don't hold a grudge as if they killed all your kittens.

  • wrightstufwrightstuf Carlsbad, CAPosts: 655Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by BarCrow

    Originally posted by Ekaros


    Originally posted by PukeBucket

    I don't think I'd life time sub to any MMO. Just cuz it's real easy for a plug to be pulled and that "investment" goes nill.

    That's my decision. As a person in the creative industry I'm glad suckers are born every minute.

     

    FC doesn't have history of killing MMOs...

     

    On other hand, I don't pre-order it cause EUR-USD pricing and the fact their payment account don't allow adding it.

     

    If they now offered life-time for AO, I would take it...

    So true....if anything...Funcom has proven they won't let your MMO die at all. Good if you like their games and don't hold a grudge as if they killed all your kittens.

    Good point...anarchy online has been going for almost 11 years. tell me all the mmo devs that have made mmos that lasted that long...not many, i assure you

  • Rollcage8Rollcage8 SydneyPosts: 63Member

    Won't be supporting funcom, even though I did purchase Age of Conan and had a pretty good time playing it for 6 months or so.

    Far too little information out there about this game, the combat in the videos looks really bad, most of the characters look like urban untrained nobody's who decided they should chop monsters with a Katana, and shoot sideways cause the movies did it.

    No sign of your character actually being a Hero at all, your just a nobody with no skills. Even the dialogue has you sitting there listening to someone rant on, but you make no decisions.

    It also sounds like they scrapped some of their ideas during production in regards to how PVP functions, leaving me to believe the game will release largely featureless again.

    Sounds like a standard funcom dish. Pile of crap with a side of potential and a chef who's on smoko break.

  • pinkpinkpinkpink jonkopingPosts: 7Member

    i got it al!

    Love Fun com love ther games, been a AO player befor it whent F2P.

    Played AoC for a long time, now its time for TSW :)

     

    Go Fun Com!

    Me and me.

  • KuinnKuinn MestaPosts: 2,093Member

    I'm still waiting on required info on the game, there's so little out there that it's like buying a pie without knowing if it's apple, orange, cherry or dog-poop pie. I want to know before the purchase :)

  • WalterWhiteWalterWhite CardiffPosts: 394Member Uncommon

    I had the pre order e-mail and I took a look at it then deleted it as soon as I saw the part where you only get 3 character slots but you can buy more at over £8 a slot.

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  • XasapisXasapis VolosPosts: 5,561Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Minn

    I had the pre order e-mail and I took a look at it then deleted it as soon as I saw the part where you only get 3 character slots but you can buy more at over £8 a slot.

    I hope you realise that one character can pretty much learn all 550 or so skills in the game, right? The only reason you'd need an extra character would be to explore the other factions and they give you three free slots for that already.

  • Fallen40Fallen40 DerbyPosts: 1Member

    Originally posted by maitrader

    Sup guys,

     

    I have been a long-time fan of Funcom... unlike many people who nitt-pick the crap out of funcom and their games, it truly is the ONLY company to offer something different and revolutionary to the genre with each game... We need more FUNCOMS ... not more Blizzards and Anets... I dont make tons of money, but I wanted to support funcom for trying a brand new spin on the genre through TSW... such balls (regardless of whether it works or not) deserves to be supported.. especially in a genre full of clones trying to be EQ or WoW... This game is being done unlike any game before its time.. for the amount of time they have been working on it (4 - 5 years anyone?), I believe this game will be good at launch, and spectacular in time. WHO ELSE BOUGHT LifeTime?!

    This whole thread is not about supporting the developer at all, it's about bragging rights.  Look at me I bought a lifetime sub to a game.  At the same time you hope the post gets some positive reassurance from other like minded individuals.  God forbid you are the only one to buy a lifetime sub, if that happened your world would probably implode.

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