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Would you buy stock in CCP?

SlaverHoundSlaverHound Toronto, ONPosts: 109Member

http://techcrunch.com/2012/02/21/eve-online-saw-66m-in-revenue-last-year-mulls-ipo/

"In fact, the Icelandic company’s CEO Hilmar Veigar Petursson says an IPO is a possibility, though predictably, he wouldn’t commit to anything."

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  • JoliustJoliust stoughton, WIPosts: 1,329Member

    No. The fact they are looking for more capitol worries ,e.

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  • JetrpgJetrpg Whitehouse, OHPosts: 2,376Member

    I also wouldn't dust seems off target and quite silly. I would wait to hear meaningful direction from them to invest.

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  • dave6660dave6660 New York, NYPosts: 2,543Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Joliust

    No. The fact they are looking for more capitol worries ,e.

    The purpose of going public is to raise capital so the company can expand.  Why is that worrying?

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  • TealaTeala SomewherePosts: 7,430Member Uncommon

    No.

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  • kb4blukb4blu Fuquay Varina, NCPosts: 683Member Uncommon

    No way would I buy stock in EVE.  The Goons would probably figure out a way to scam everyone out of their money. 

    After all it seems that they not CCP actually run things in EVE.

  • cosycosy ColentinaPosts: 3,304Member
    CCP should give some shares to old players that pay allot of moneys to them :)

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  • VoiidiinVoiidiin Barrow, AKPosts: 817Member

    No i do not trust CCP especially after all the cash shop crap... Monocle.

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  • kattehuskattehus Posts: 375Member

    Yes, I would. Mostly because it, to me, looks like a solid investment. CCP's been growing steadily since they started out, so yeah.

    With more funds, they could possibly push DUST and WOD out quicker, which leads to more revenue. So, again, yeah.

    Besides that, though, I can't see what they'd need the money for. But I don't see CCP going bankrupt within at least the next 5-10 years.


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  • TalonsinTalonsin Posts: 1,478Member Uncommon

    Yes.

     

    CCP has a great track record in business and have grown steadily each year.  They also have plans to link some projects together like Dust and Eve.  I have also heard of another project they would like to link in to that same group.  I think this is the future of MMO's.  Instead of building one big MMO, build one part at a time and launch them separately but link them.  Imagine if SWTOR had cut out the crappy space part and only asked for $12 a month in sub fees.  Then a year or two later they added a new game like tie fighter and linked it into SWTOR.  You could just play the space game or you could buy both and interact with the same char in both. 

    Expansions are nice but releasing entirely new games and linking them makes so much more sense.  If a person wants to play the latest expansion pack in WoW, they also have to buy Wow.  With linked games, you could just buy the part you liked like the FPS part that runs on a planet.  You dont lose the money from expansions because the same people who are playing the main game and wanted to buy the expansion are still going to buy it.  But this way you also get money from those that didnt like your first game and want to try the new content.

    CCP is also doing a lot of interesting stuff with technology and their server farm that other developers are keeping an eye on.  The something-something IO and the newest time dilation project could add a new dimension in MMO's if it all comes together and gives you a lag free 1000 on 1000 person fight.

    They are also one of the few game developers out there where the CEO comes out and apologizes when they feel they made a mistake.  Unlike some indie developers with a whopping 2000 subscribers.

  • JoliustJoliust stoughton, WIPosts: 1,329Member


    Originally posted by dave6660


    Originally posted by Joliust
    No. The fact they are looking for more capitol worries ,e.

    The purpose of going public is to raise capital so the company can expand.  Why is that worrying?

    It has to do with the other recent events, and having investors means pressure from the owners(who may or may not be knowledgeable in the industry), leaves them open hostile takeovers if they do not maintain a majority share. It just worries me that they are releasing an IPO. Gaming companies are usually not a good investment anyway.

    I hope it works out for them, I want to see WoD launch.

    Remember too with investments, to make money you have to anticipate what most dont. If people expect the company to do well then the price of the stock will be set for that. If you expect them to do well and most don't, that's were decent profits are made. In general the stock market is gambling no matter what people may say. Stock prices are far more affected by fear and enthusiasm of buying and sellers than by reality.

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  • tvalentinetvalentine San Clemente, CAPosts: 4,216Member

    Nah, they are probably looking to scam their investors after seeing so many successful IPO scams in game.

     

    In seriousness i would buy stock in CCP. EVE has grown every year since launch. Unless Dust fails hard i dont see a bad reason to invest in a company that has seen continual growth since its inception.

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  • DraemosDraemos Antartica, AKPosts: 1,469Member

    Nope, their customer-base is too volatile and their executives and staff makes too many public mistakes that cause backlash.

    Plus, I personally think Dust is going to be a massive turd.

  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownPosts: 3,452Member
    I wouldn't as their whole revenue stream is based on one product, if blizzards Titan proved to be a half decent space MMO with proper flight and PvP for example then your investment is screwed
  • StoneRosesStoneRoses Seattle, WAPosts: 1,082Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Joliust

     




    Originally posted by dave6660





    Originally posted by Joliust

    No. The fact they are looking for more capitol worries ,e.






    The purpose of going public is to raise capital so the company can expand.  Why is that worrying?



     

    It has to do with the other recent events, and having investors means pressure from the owners(who may or may not be knowledgeable in the industry), leaves them open hostile takeovers if they do not maintain a majority share. It just worries me that they are releasing an IPO. Gaming companies are usually not a good investment anyway.

    I hope it works out for them, I want to see WoD launch.

    Remember too with investments, to make money you have to anticipate what most dont. If people expect the company to do well then the price of the stock will be set for that. If you expect them to do well and most don't, that's were decent profits are made. In general the stock market is gambling no matter what people may say. Stock prices are far more affected by fear and enthusiasm of buying and sellers than by reality.

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  • VoiidiinVoiidiin Barrow, AKPosts: 817Member

    Hmmm CCP... NO

     

    What with monocle gate, the fact that they had to implement so many appeasements to garner back the communities goodwill they themselves admitted to losing. Just smacks of developer HUBRIS.

     

    I think CCP has a long road to really gaint he players trust again.

    Also, making a new ip thats dedicated to the least played console system is rather short-sighted. I play my PS3 less and less every month and generally use it for just playing blue-rays, but i mean i barely watch DVDs anymore as it is, almost eveything i view is streamed now. Its cheaper to pay for movies streamed on my x-box through Zune videos.

     

    But yeah no i would not consider investing in CCP, if you had asked me this about ANet 1 month ago i would have said HELL YEAH, but now after so many issues with the cash shop crud i would hold off on that also.

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  • notmexnotmex Omaha, NEPosts: 43Member

    Where do you get "they have grown each year?" I started my toon in 2005, and have never seen the server population that high since. I haven't played much, probably a total of a year in that time. But, grown? No.

    I also heard something about them laying off people last summer. Then Sony for Dust.

    Sorry. this game caters to the few, and sux for the majority.

  • LiddokunLiddokun San Francisco, CAPosts: 1,665Member Uncommon

    Short the stock at best. Not something to keep long term. EVE online is pretty much a niche market. Little growth potential.

  • SoopamanSoopaman miami, FLPosts: 65Member

    I would not buy stock in CCP. I dont like their business model. They only appeal to a small portion of the MMo market. 

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  • AnthurAnthur StolbergPosts: 686Member Uncommon

    No. Risk is too high and expectation of profit too low.

    There is no sign there will be any further "significant" growth to be expected with Eve. Dust is probably a failure with gooing console. And noone knows anything about WoD except a one minute video.

    I respect what they achieved with Eve but I would never buy any CCP stock based on current info.

  • JayBirdzJayBirdz Clarksville, TNPosts: 1,017Member

    Originally posted by Draemos

    Nope, their customer-base is too volatile and their executives and staff makes too many public mistakes that cause backlash.

    This  /thread.

     

     

  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownPosts: 3,452Member
    Originally posted by Soopaman

    I would not buy stock in CCP. I dont like their business model. They only appeal to a small portion of the MMo market. 

     

    A portion that is both loyal and expanding.
  • notmexnotmex Omaha, NEPosts: 43Member

    Originally posted by RefMinor

    Originally posted by Soopaman

    I would not buy stock in CCP. I dont like their business model. They only appeal to a small portion of the MMo market. 

     

    A portion that is both loyal and expanding.

    Expanding, yea right. Ummm, no.

  • LiddokunLiddokun San Francisco, CAPosts: 1,665Member Uncommon

    Another thing was World of Darkness would come with perma-death merchanics. I don't think that will appeal to the mass market (nowadays you need mass market appeal).  I am not sure if the mechanic will be an option or applied to all servers. Hopefully it will be an option (like optional perma-death servers). Again, World of Darkness has potential but right now the IP is too much still niche. I am sure CCP will be profitable but I don't think they will reach critical mass market potential. However the game will definitely appeal to fans of the developers and/or fans of the White Wolf franchise.

  • ThemePorkThemePork Boston, MAPosts: 312Member

    Originally posted by Liddokun

    Another thing was World of Darkness would come with perma-death merchanics. I don't think that will appeal to the mass market (nowadays you need mass market appeal).  I am not sure if the mechanic will be an option or applied to all servers. Hopefully it will be an option (like optional perma-death servers). Again, World of Darkness has potential but right now the IP is too much still niche. I am sure CCP will be profitable but I don't think they will reach critical mass market potential. However they will appeal to fans of the developers and/or fans of the White Wolf franchise.

    Only the Prince of each major city will have the ability to inflict perma death. This Prince is elected by the players so I doubt a griefer will ever have access to the ability. Also WoD will only have one server (like Eve) so no varying rulesets on multiple servers.

    You're most probably right about this game not appealing to the masses though, at least I hope so. That being said, we're talking about vampires here and the vampire myth has always been extremely popular.

     

  • RedempRedemp Hot Springs, ARPosts: 1,042Member

    Originally posted by Charas

    Originally posted by Liddokun

    Another thing was World of Darkness would come with perma-death merchanics. I don't think that will appeal to the mass market (nowadays you need mass market appeal).  I am not sure if the mechanic will be an option or applied to all servers. Hopefully it will be an option (like optional perma-death servers). Again, World of Darkness has potential but right now the IP is too much still niche. I am sure CCP will be profitable but I don't think they will reach critical mass market potential. However they will appeal to fans of the developers and/or fans of the White Wolf franchise.

    Only the Prince of each major city will have the ability to inflict perma death. This Prince is elected by the players so I doubt a griefer will ever have access to the ability. Also WoD will only have one server (like Eve) so no varying rulesets on multiple servers.

    You're most probably right about this game not appealing to the masses though, at least I hope so. That being said, we're talking about vampires here and the vampire myth has always been extremely popular.

     

     

     Ccp has such a wonderful track record with players in lofty positions of authority acting in mature and measured ways though. There would certainly never, ever, be an issue for me to put my trust in getting perma-killed as long as the community currently witnessed in EvE is present to balance the players power and position.

     What I am trying to say ... is I completely trust my time, effort, and attachments to the kind of player(s) that CCP currently calls customers. The system isn't final though, lets hope they choose to implement this player lead system of perma death instead of something that is MUCH less sensible.

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