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Guild Wars 1 veterans - how do/did you feel about the payment model?

BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member

Everyone seems to be either over-hyping or over-hating on GW2 announced microtransaction system.

Pay 2 Win many call it.

So, I ask you this - Guild Wars 1 veterans/current players ONLY:

How have you felt about the GW1 business model?

*Note - anyone trying to turn this into yet ANOTHER p2win or f2p etc. etc. debate/debacle will be reported for off-topic violation.

 

Only looking for the experiences, thoughts, and impressions of current/former Guild Wars 1 players in regards to the B2P + microtransactions model.

 

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  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member

    Did you feel preasured to make purchases after the initial box price in order to keep playing?

    To play competitively in either PvE or PvP?

    etc.

  • PurutzilPurutzil East Stroudsburg, PAPosts: 2,924Member Uncommon

    I'll cheat and say i am a vet... despite having about 2 weeks experience before quiting.

    I feel it is bad... basically making us buy a game THEN pay to get an advantage against others.

     

    At the same time, its understandable that some extra income would be needed. A lot more is server side and it means that it takes a lot more work to maintain the game. Having expansions released every so often would not likely be enough to fund the game and keep it running from a profit standpoint. 

  • RazephonRazephon LondonPosts: 626Member Uncommon

    If you are a member of a guild that NEEDS to be FIRST in EVERYTHING...then yes I think the Cash shop should be used to maximise your XP gain/money for game reasons.

    However if you are a member of 99% of guilds, then you likely do not need that 'extra' boost the cash shop offers. 

    That said, if you are however a lazy person...or can't be bothered to 'earn' your way through the game / 'haven't got the time' then the cash shop is also for you.

    As a hardcore player who will most likely not be needing the cash shop, am I intimidated? no. Even if my toughest competitors use the cash shop, if my guild is truly hardcore will it matter? no.

     

    So the reason we are even debating this?

    Currently waiting for the MMO industry to put out something good.
  • sonicbrewsonicbrew Sparkill, NYPosts: 511Member

    Long time Guild Wars player (was an alpha tester 4yrs. to release) and recently quit playing. Sick of all these posts honestly if you want the truth. However, I won't be purchasing GW2 now that cash shop has been revealed and ANet has not behaved in the manner I would ever expect them too. Matter of fact, as a veteran gamer of 35yrs and MMO player since their inception, this genre is done, dead, game over for me. Welcome to the new trend and I don't like it one bit. 

    I don't have a problem paying a monthly sub fee for a game I enjoy either. The best thing any developer coud do today is to make a wide selection of payment options for all types of players. Give me the option to have access to everything with a sub fee and give those that want absolute F2P with cash shops their option. It is not difficult to do but they refuse to. Too much money in F2P cash shop systems.

    “Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box.” ~ Italian proverb

  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member

    Originally posted by Purutzil

    I'll cheat and say i am a vet... despite having about 2 weeks experience before quiting.

    I feel it is bad... basically making us buy a game THEN pay to get an advantage against others.

    I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to disqualify your post in order for this thread NOT to become yet another pointless debate/rant and for actual GW1 veterans with lots of experience to please speak up.

    That's like saying, I played WoW for a week and I heard raiding sucked so I'm saying raiding sucked.

    What I want to hear is what people who have been playing Guild Wars 1 a LOT since 2005 have to say about the business model.

    You know, the ones with a lot of experience with it.

    And I want them to be honest!

  • KuppaKuppa Boulder, COPosts: 3,292Member Uncommon

    I playe ALOT of GW and had all of the expansions. I never spend a penny on anything else in the game. And one of the main reasons I got into GW is because I didn't have the money to get into a sub mmo, nor did I saw it fair. Think about it, since the beginning of gaming you pay for the box price and expansions. GW just seemed natural.

    I never found myself having to spend money to keep up or because it was an obstacle, I only spent money on expantions because they added more content. I never played competitively but I did GvG ALOT and we did get to fight agaisnt top ladder teams.

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  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member

    Originally posted by sonicbrew

    Long time Guild Wars player (was an alpha tester 4yrs. to release) and recently quit playing.  However, I won't be purchasing GW2 now that cash shop has been revealed and ANet has not behaved in the manner I would ever expect them too.

    Why?

    I don't want another debate on pro's con's.

    I want the "why" and the "what" from the people who have experienced Anet's business model to it's fullest.

  • DJJazzyDJJazzy louisville, COPosts: 2,053Member

    played GW since 2005

    only thing I bought, other than the games themselves, were a couple of costumes

    How do I feel about the payment model? Fantastic.

  • KakkzookaKakkzooka Waterbury, CTPosts: 591Member

    The model is fine and is the same as in GW1, albeit it's a bit more advanced in features.

    Re: SWTOR

    "Remember, remember - Kakk says 'December.'"

  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member

    Originally posted by Kuppa

    I playe ALOT of GW and had all of the expansions. I never spend a penny on anything else in the game. And one of the main reasons I got into GW is because I didn't have the money to get into a sub mmo, nor did I saw it fair. Think about it, since the beginning of gaming you pay for the box price and expansions. GW just seemed natural.

    I never found myself having to spend money to keep up or because it was an obstacle, I only spent money on expantions because they added more content. I never played competitively but I did GvG ALOT and we did get to fight agaisnt top ladder teams.

    This is EXACTLY the kind of post I am looking for.

    1. Answers the questions asked instead of going on some pointless rant that will only cause more trolling/flaming.

    2. Honest

    3. Gives examples of both activities done in game and feelings on whether or not you felt preasured or forced.

     

     

  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member

    Originally posted by DJJazzy

    played GW since 2005

    only thing I bought, other than the games themselves, were a couple of costumes

    How do I feel about the payment model? Fantastic.

    YES

    Exactly, another GOOD post thank you.

    What I'd really like to see is the thoughts from a long time GW1 player who spent a lot on the game outside of the boxes and why they did.

     

  • XerithXerith Richardson, TXPosts: 970Member

    Played Guild Wars for many years, something like 4k hours clocked. I purchased a few things in the cash shop during that time including character slots and some of the aditional packs, but no I never felt pressured to buy anything from the shop, and nothing I have seen from GW2 makes me feel any different. 

    After playing many f2p games I can say that ArenaNet is one of the only companies I trust not to screw me over, and I can safely say this after many years of playing their game. I have no reason to believe they will change and yes I have seen the leaked ss, and no it hasnt changed my mind. 

  • CallinCallin Florence, SCPosts: 99Member

    Played on and off for 6 years now, and I have never once felt "compelled" to buy anything from the store. Matter of fact I never purchased anything from it ever. My wife bought the games on there instead of goin out, and getting them from a Walmart or wherever. 

    Now I have felt like purchasing an extra character slot. Just so I could go back and have a Presearing toon. But i kept saying to myself I would just level it like I did all the other ones lol. 

    And I never felt like I was being left behind my friends who all spent a ton of cash in the item shop. Buddy of mine bought a few character slots and his companion whats it whatever its named. Never felt like i couldnt compete with him.

    So no. I do not feel that the way they run their Item Shop will have any impact on my gameing, just because someone purchased something. And to make it all better. I CAN FARM GOLD TO BUY WHAT I WANT. Yea im a cheap bastard lol. But im sure im goin to buy a character slot and other stuff this time around.

     

  • RazephonRazephon LondonPosts: 626Member Uncommon

    [Mod Edit]

    Its simple.

    Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Feel free to pass on this game if you do not believe in this philosophy. It is your loss. 

    There is nothing wrong with this business model. There is something wrong with some people who don't want to accept it.

    Currently waiting for the MMO industry to put out something good.
  • KonyakZeroKonyakZero Jacksonville, NCPosts: 48Member

    Been playing it for years. Over those years, I've gained a tremendous amount of respect for ArenaNet. I trust them to make the right decision. If they mess up at some point, well, guess we'll see what happens. I personally won't judge until I get to see what they're offering at launch.

  • UnlightUnlight Ottawa, ONPosts: 2,540Member

    I was in GW1 from day one and have played off and on ever since.  I've got no problem with the current business model.

    As for the GW1 cash shop, yes I felt pressured to buy from the cash shop.  My vanity abolsutely demanded that I buy this costume for my Mesmer one Halloween.  I felt had no choice.  It look so damned cool that it became a necessity.  I blame ArenaNet for making such gorgeous costumes and putting them up for sale.  I guess it was also P2W because after I paid, I felt I'd won.

    I bought a couple of other costume pieces as well, at least four additional bankslots, two extra character slots (giving me ten), a couple of makeover sessions to change my hairstyles (vanity is a running theme in how I spend my money) and one name change.  I think that's about it. 

    The winged demon costume was the only one that was "forced" on me though.  I'm looking forward to having even more forced on me in the future.

  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member

    Xerith and Callin great posts thank you.

     

    I'd really like to hear the thoughts of a GW1 vet who spent a lot in the shop and why they did - anyone out there?

  • VannorVannor YorkshirePosts: 2,970Member Uncommon

    I've recently played all of Guild Wars 1.. I've done all the campaigns (including all EotN and its dungeons) and completed many of the final dungeons (the big ones like Underworld and Fissure of Woe) and almost all hard mode objectives, solo. Got 30/50 in HoM and could easily get well over 40/50 with a little more time as many of my titles are 'almost' complete. I've decided to stop there though and have a break from MMOs.

    I did not once buy or feel the need to buy anything from the cash shop. More bank storage would have been nice but I survived without it.

  • ChuvarHramaChuvarHrama Novi SadPosts: 88Member

     

    Ok i just want to point out that in GW u could unlock EVERY SINGLE SKILL for pvp and EVERY MOD FOR WEAPONS for pvp in the cash shop, and i never heard anyone saying that GW is p2w in 6 years of playing. It didn't even crossed my mind.

    So i don`t see the problem with GW2 cash shop. Im sure Anet will hanndle it correctly.

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  • RazephonRazephon LondonPosts: 626Member Uncommon

    Forgot to add, I played GW at launch and up to Factions. :p. Loved it a lot, but eventually got bored. At the time I would have never spent a penny on a cash shop item. Considering the business model of GW2, I would re-consider that.

    Changing times n all~

    Currently waiting for the MMO industry to put out something good.
  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member

    Thanks for the great posts and for sticking on topic (except for a few!)

     

    Really looking for someone who played a long time and spent a lot and why they did.

    Any GW1 vets like that on MMORPG.com?

     

    Otherwise, the trend continues to be going one direction.

  • ChuvarHramaChuvarHrama Novi SadPosts: 88Member

    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Thanks for the great posts and for sticking on topic (except for a few!)

     

    Really looking for someone who played a long time and spent a lot and why they did.

    Any GW1 vets like that on MMORPG.com?

     

    Otherwise, the trend continues to be going one direction.

    I spent alot but only on costumes, and bonus mission pack. Just for the skins and a bit of lore from the mission pack.

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  • StriderXedStriderXed AURORA, ILPosts: 257Member

    Bought the game back in 2005 while I was still in  highschool.(might have been summer 06)  i can tell you that personally I didnt feel the need to buy anything in the shop. Til this day I still  have not bought a  single item in the shop. And I probably never will. I mean it was cool cs items in terms of looks, but almost everything else I could actually get in game. The best items(anything you can aquire) were in game and not the cs. So it was never really a requirement. Shocking I know lol. Well this is just my opinion. 

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  • aesperusaesperus Hamshire, NVPosts: 5,128Member Uncommon

    Been playing GW1 for a long time (ever since launch). Their cash system is easily the LEAST p2w I have ever seen. I've never felt I needed to use it, and basically avoided it throughout most of my play. The only stuff I really felt compelled to buy was the extra character slot, and that's only because i'm an altoholic.

    Furthermore, in PvP I've never been at a disadvantage. I had all the same stats and skills as everyone else; all I had to do is unlock them w/ PvP influence which wasn't hard to get. The biggest advantage the shop really gives you (and this is a recent addition) are the extra hero characters (making it really easy to get through PvE content if you have the right skills to build up your heroes).

    Again, the GW1 system is highly unobtrusive, giving little-no real advantage over players who didn't want to spend money. Mostly the shop is cosmetic, with only a few exceptions. The new system w/ GW2 is a bit different, but I think it's being blown way out of proportion tbh.

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