Well that sucks, anything that costs gold can be bought for money then, same thing as Diablo 3 RMAH really except gems instead of Blizzard bucks. It's not a gamebreaker and I understand their motives for doing it but the game would be alot better if anything that affects a characters power in any way couldn't be bought with RL money.
I would be fine with vanity items for money but gear for money takes away the achievement of players who actually put in the effort to earn the items ingame themselves. Only way I wouldn't mind this is if anyone who buys gems get a big $ sign hovering over their head at all times, so everyone knows he/she/it paid to win.
Hm. Not necessarily. There is a psychological drive to get something for nothing involved now that isn't there when it comes to farming for gear. Now if I farm enough, I'm a clever gamer pulling one over on the system by getting someone else to buy my DLC goodies for me with their real cash.
I'm not young, nor overly stupid. I even know myself well enough to state the issue, yet it will still affect my farming patterns. I have no reason to think I'm going to be the only one.
True, but the gem/ingame system isn't the reason you would do this. You already had it in mind to achieve wealth through shortcuts. Farming anything can be lucrative, like you said, just need to be smart about it.
I don't see this as being 'abused' in the way you presume to the detriment of gameplay since again, without the gear, what is purchasable that's extraordinary?
You know why D3 doesn't bother me and this does? Because the way D3 is going to work, I think a bunch of first world wannabe gold farmers are going to drive prices on individual items so ridiculously low that it will be nearly impossible for gold farmers to make a profit.
But GW2 isn't going to be about individual items put up by players for real money. It's about taking real money and turning it into currency to buy GW2 items with. Same as it's always been for the gold farmers, they'll mostly sell gold completely outside the system (except maybe for a little diamond speculation on the side), and no doubt they'll also dabble in jacking up AH prices and creating scarcity of goods so supply drives demand.
The difference is that D3 is a gear grind, GW2 is not. Why do you keep asuming the game is WoW?
Because most of these whiners are either 1) too stupid to understand the game and the system or 2) just annoying trolls trying to start probs.
I don't really understand why so many people don't get why this announcement can be considered a "bad" thing.
Prior to this announcement, the community was (at large) under the impression that RMT would be used for mainly cosmetic or convenience items, and you would NOT be able to buy power.
Now we find that RMT can be used to (indirectly) buy gold. So this means either gold can't be used to buy power (which means the game will not have much of an economy), or RMT CAN be used to buy power.
Just putting a "layer" in-between real money and the auction house doesn't really change anything. You can STILL buy anything on the auction house for real money.
That's a thought, I wonder if silence can be bought with gems? At the very least they should be polite at all times!
I still haven't figured out whether I'm going to be one of the lackeys or the resident rich witches, but if I lackey it up, I am definitely charging extra for being polite!
I won't be hiring you then :P
But seriously I've just been sitting here thinking about this. Anyone who has played GW1 knows the players themselves made an alternative currency. Ectos. Ectos have a gold value of sorts, set by the player base itself. They aren't easy to get, much harder then gold and depending on how you like to spend your time in game, there are for some, more enjoyable ways to get something that someone with ecto's might want in exchange. I have seen items for sale in exchange for x amount of gold, or x amount of ectos. Sometimes people want to buy ectos for gold and not an item, and sometimes people want to sell ectos for gold and not an item. Depends. There are such huge variations and this while it may seem wildly complicated if you have no idea what I'm talking about, works. Especially as the amount of gold you are allowed to keep is limited. Ectos can be stored instead of gold, rather like gold bullion I suppose in a bank vault. I don't think gems will have the same effect as ectos as the prices will fluctuate far too much depending on supply. In the end, gems I can assure you are far less painful to get then ectos for example. So will players make another currency again as they did in GW1? I wouldn't doubt it. Gems may not be the be all end all that people expect them to be beyond the ability to buy vanity items. You may find yourself having to pay your lackeys with something other then gems OR gold
I have no idea what Ectos are, I actually never said one word to anyone in Guild Wars. It was more isolating than even I cared for. I had no clue how to go about being social, given that everything I did was in my own instance, not counting trips to town and I also had no desire to join a guild.
But you make a good point. There is no telling how players are going to react to this situation. What if very few people are willing to purchase diamonds to exchange for gold or services? What if they demand such a high price that it isn't worth it to cater to them even if they are willing to trade?
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Hm. Not necessarily. There is a psychological drive to get something for nothing involved now that isn't there when it comes to farming for gear. Now if I farm enough, I'm a clever gamer pulling one over on the system by getting someone else to buy my DLC goodies for me with their real cash.
I'm not young, nor overly stupid. I even know myself well enough to state the issue, yet it will still affect my farming patterns. I have no reason to think I'm going to be the only one.
True, but the gem/ingame system isn't the reason you would do this. You already had it in mind to achieve wealth through shortcuts. Farming anything can be lucrative, like you said, just need to be smart about it.
I don't see this as being 'abused' in the way you presume to the detriment of gameplay since again, without the gear, what is purchasable that's extraordinary?
Services can be purchased if nothing else. As long as the buyer is willing to pay enough to interest the seller, leveling services, help with pvp, help with item acquisition (assuming any items are worth acquiring) is just a few diamonds away.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Well this is just one mor reason for me to stick with SWTOR. Bioware is clearly a supperior game company and they make better games.
At least they don't pull any of this shady microtransaction stuff. You pay for the game and your sub and you get access to their games. No strings attached and no shady business. You just lost a potential customer Arenanet. I'll stick with Bioware- an honest company- thank you very much.
You know why D3 doesn't bother me and this does? Because the way D3 is going to work, I think a bunch of first world wannabe gold farmers are going to drive prices on individual items so ridiculously low that it will be nearly impossible for gold farmers to make a profit.
But GW2 isn't going to be about individual items put up by players for real money. It's about taking real money and turning it into currency to buy GW2 items with. Same as it's always been for the gold farmers, they'll mostly sell gold completely outside the system (except maybe for a little diamond speculation on the side), and no doubt they'll also dabble in jacking up AH prices and creating scarcity of goods so supply drives demand.
The difference is that D3 is a gear grind, GW2 is not. Why do you keep asuming the game is WoW?
Because most of these whiners are either 1) too stupid to understand the game and the system or 2) just annoying trolls trying to start probs.
I don't really understand why so many people don't get why this announcement can be considered a "bad" thing.
Prior to this announcement, the community was (at large) under the impression that RMT would be used for mainly cosmetic or convenience items, and you would NOT be able to buy power.
Now we find that RMT can be used to (indirectly) buy gold. So this means either gold can't be used to buy power (which means the game will not have much of an economy), or RMT CAN be used to buy power.
Just putting a "layer" in-between real money and the auction house doesn't really change anything. You can STILL buy anything on the auction house for real money.
yes you can buy anything thats not more powerfull then anything i can get. In guild wars 1 they pretty much handed you every upgrade of armor you could get stat wise via the craft system. so everytime there was something with better stats you could easily get it at the level it was available.
Hm. Not necessarily. There is a psychological drive to get something for nothing involved now that isn't there when it comes to farming for gear. Now if I farm enough, I'm a clever gamer pulling one over on the system by getting someone else to buy my DLC goodies for me with their real cash.
I'm not young, nor overly stupid. I even know myself well enough to state the issue, yet it will still affect my farming patterns. I have no reason to think I'm going to be the only one.
True, but the gem/ingame system isn't the reason you would do this. You already had it in mind to achieve wealth through shortcuts. Farming anything can be lucrative, like you said, just need to be smart about it.
I don't see this as being 'abused' in the way you presume to the detriment of gameplay since again, without the gear, what is purchasable that's extraordinary?
Services can be purchased if nothing else. As long as the buyer is willing to pay enough to interest the seller, leveling services, help with pvp, help with item acquisition (assuming any items are worth acquiring) is just a few diamonds away.
Really they will be wasting their time. They would have to pay someone to play their character forever. Remember, gear doesn't matter. Everyone top level will have the same basic armor stat as you at least in whatever proffession you happen to be in. Wherever you go in the game, you will be scaled down. So you won't be able to go around easily and kill things in the beginner areas with the ease you would be able to in other games. (this will make farming gold for gold farmers harder too :P ) SO now you have payed someone to level your character to 80 and you are stuck with a character you don't know how to play at ALL. You can't go anywhere without dying because you don't know what to do with your skills, you feel pretty lame. Same again for pvp. Don't forget you can join pvp at the very beginning of the game and be scaled up. I can promise you now that SOMEONE with a very low level toon who knows how to play will at some point join in pvp, get scaled up and beat the crap out of your payed for leveling service toon all the time HE is wearing crappy low level gear because just such a senario is possible in GW2. Now you will feel like a complete tool for paying a gold/leveling farmer right?
P.S. When I say YOU I don't mean you. I have come to think you are a pretty cool dude Madimorga so don't take it personal
Really they will be wasting their time. They would have to pay someone to play their character forever. Remember, gear doesn't matter. Everyone top level will have the same basic armor stat as you at least in whatever proffession you happen to be in. Wherever you go in the game, you will be scaled down. So you won't be able to go around easily and kill things in the beginner areas with the ease you would be able to in other games. (this will make farming gold for gold farmers harder too :P ) SO now you have payed someone to level your character to 80 and you are stuck with a character you don't know how to play at ALL. You can't go anywhere without dying because you don't know what to do with your skills, you feel pretty lame. Same again for pvp. Don't forget you can join pvp at the very beginning of the game and be scaled up. I can promise you now that SOMEONE with a very low level toon who knows how to play will at some point join in pvp, get scaled up and beat the crap out of your payed for leveling service toon all the time HE is wearing crappy low level gear because just such a senario is possible in GW2. Now you will feel like a complete tool for paying a gold/leveling farmer right?
P.S. When I say YOU I don't mean you. I have come to think you are a pretty cool dude Madimorga so don't take it personal
Actually, I figure letting someone play your character will still be frowned on. I was thinking about dungeon parties, pvp team fills, and maybe WvWvW mercs (for real, I could see this happening from time to time during off hours), plus any items that are worth having while leveling but that do not drop frequently (if such will exist).
I don't take it personally, though, I knew you were speaking in general. Even though you have made an incorrect assumption about my gender!
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
OLD SYSTEM: Gold factories farmed gold and sold it for dollars.
NEW SYSTEM: Gold factores farm gold, trade it for gems, sell gems for dollars.
This is better?
how do you sell gems for dollars.. you cant sell them back to anet, and if your gonna buy gems why not just buy from anet, why trust a gold seller
Because they will be cheaper.
Never underestimate what people will do to save a dollar.
Third party sellers will pop up selling gems just like third party sellers exist now selling gold.
why use a third party though. Third party sellers only pop up now because you cant buy gold legitimatly
Because it will be cheaper, just like there are still companies that sell isk even though you can buy it via flex.
if thats the case then gold sellers are gonna be there no matter what, and you wont know who bought gold. and everything that everyone is complaing about being p2w will just happen anyway because those people will pay real money for gold from gold farmers.
Really they will be wasting their time. They would have to pay someone to play their character forever. Remember, gear doesn't matter. Everyone top level will have the same basic armor stat as you at least in whatever proffession you happen to be in. Wherever you go in the game, you will be scaled down. So you won't be able to go around easily and kill things in the beginner areas with the ease you would be able to in other games. (this will make farming gold for gold farmers harder too :P ) SO now you have payed someone to level your character to 80 and you are stuck with a character you don't know how to play at ALL. You can't go anywhere without dying because you don't know what to do with your skills, you feel pretty lame. Same again for pvp. Don't forget you can join pvp at the very beginning of the game and be scaled up. I can promise you now that SOMEONE with a very low level toon who knows how to play will at some point join in pvp, get scaled up and beat the crap out of your payed for leveling service toon all the time HE is wearing crappy low level gear because just such a senario is possible in GW2. Now you will feel like a complete tool for paying a gold/leveling farmer right?
P.S. When I say YOU I don't mean you. I have come to think you are a pretty cool dude Madimorga so don't take it personal
Actually, I figure letting someone play your character will still be frowned on. I was thinking about dungeon parties, pvp team fills, and maybe WvWvW mercs (for real, I could see this happening from time to time during off hours), plus any items that are worth having while leveling but that do not drop frequently (if such will exist).
I don't take it personally, though, I knew you were speaking in general. Even though you have made an incorrect assumption about my gender!
Apologies! There are few of us lady gamers I figured it was safer to say dude :P
OLD SYSTEM: Gold factories farmed gold and sold it for dollars.
NEW SYSTEM: Gold factores farm gold, trade it for gems, sell gems for dollars.
This is better?
how do you sell gems for dollars.. you cant sell them back to anet, and if your gonna buy gems why not just buy from anet, why trust a gold seller
Because they will be cheaper.
Never underestimate what people will do to save a dollar.
Third party sellers will pop up selling gems just like third party sellers exist now selling gold.
The point of the gold<->gem transfer being player-controlled is that the exchange rate matches the comparitive value of the two different currencies. It will self-adjust to current values, so if gold-sellers start undercutting the in-game rate, the value of gold decreases, and the exchange rate adjusts to the new value. Essentially, it's impossible for gold sellers to undercut and maintain a stable market- the only effect that they can have is to drive the value of gold down to the expense that is required to upkeep their farming operation.
Assuming ArenaNet also uses regular means to fight gold sellers (account bans, etc), which they're already doing in GW1, and NCSoft is doing for their other MMO's, I can't see any means for goldselling to be a profitable business for GW2.
As for P2W, I've always known that in F2P games as selling items or buffs in the cash shop that are better than what you can get normally by playing the game. Paying $ to buy gold from other players to buy gear that other players acquired normally in-game and are selling on the auction house seems the opposite concept. All of the money and/or stuff from the auctionhouse was made/earned by players normally, and the cash shop person can trade cash shop perks to those players in return. This is the opposite of what I encounter in, for example, Wakfu, where you can buy better weapons from the cash shop than you can get normally in-game (and then use those weapons to PK other players)- which is P2W.
Well this is just one mor reason for me to stick with SWTOR. Bioware is clearly a supperior game company and they make better games.
At least they don't pull any of this shady microtransaction stuff. You pay for the game and your sub and you get access to their games. No strings attached and no shady business. You just lost a potential customer Arenanet. I'll stick with Bioware- an honest company- thank you very much.
lmao. Really thats what you come up with
Yeah I think he is just a troll fanboy. Bioware made a game that is so lacking in many areas and this is his response.
I really didn't mind the system in STO. It gave me the opportunity to buy RMT items without paying RM. This system sounds similar. Unsure what the problem is. If anything the people who aren't paying gain the biggest advantage from paying players because paying players will always have a few spare bits to throw away after purchase. This ultimately gives me *the non paying player* a chance to buy RMT items.
Conversely I do see the problem of using RMT to buy gold. Although I think people will be able to buy gold I don't think gold can buy the best items. One thing we've overlooked is the Karma currency. Currently we know it is for NPC item vendors. I have a feeling that karma is what buys the best in game items. Not gold or Gems.
Play for fun. Play to win. Play for perfection. Play with friends. Play in another world. Why do you play?
You either spend time or money to get anything in the game, including things like renames and other stuff. You can get everything for free after buying the box game. I mean seriously, why is everyone so butthurt. Who cares if Darklord55 got his max items within 2 days while Ruffles24 spent a month getting it. It doesn't affect you. Get over it. I don't even even know why I'm posting this. 99% of the people here are too ignorant to understand such a simple concept.
If it's not far that some random guy has more money to waste than you, then how the hell is it far that you have more time to waste than him.
You either spend time or money to get anything in the game, including things like renames and other stuff. You can get everything for free after buying the box game. I mean seriously, why is everyone so butthurt. Who cares if Darklord55 got his max items within 2 days while Ruffles24 spent a month getting it. It doesn't affect you. Get over it. I don't even even know why I'm posting this. 99% of the people here are too ignorant to understand such a simple concept.
If it's not far that some random guy has more money to waste than you, then how the hell is it far that you have more time to waste than him.
I think most people underestimate how many mmo players actually buy in game currency with real money.
Its exactly the same in other games. Except maybe swtor because money has no value there.
It's like complaining that i will only pay $40 for this weekends beta but the average price is $100 on RP.. I won't spend $100 for 3 days, but i'd spend $40
If you got disposable income and you want to spend it on a game, that's fine. As long as the person w/o the money can eventually achieve the same who cares.
But not necessarily the way of gaming. The developers actually have a choice about whether to make economic leverage a part of their game mechanics or not.
In EVE and GW2 those with more money will have the advantage of leveraging that. In RIFT I don't have that option. I must game for what I want.
I was only speaking toward his last sentence (which I should have highlighted). "Just saying - those with money will be able to buy more things."
Yes there is a leverage in EVE, but in EVE ( an example we've seen in action) that leverage is only in terms of risk, IE what a player can risk. The advantage is disposability. It's also offset per capita by the fact that the system opens itself up to numerous players, meaning Corp A has people employing that advantage and so does Corp B. With the nature of a game like EVE there's too much that effects a victory to ensure a victory by such means. It can effect first strike capability that's for sure, even then that first strike could still fail due to the emergent nature of EVE and massive PVP in general.
Does more siege equipment ensure a victory? Who knows, until we do it's hard to say whether it will be an issue or not. It's certainly an area A-net and players should monitor during testing
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
So you can purchase gems with money, that can be traded for gold in game. If I'm reading this correctly, this gives advantage to players who spend real money as opposed to those who don't.
you can buy large quanties of gems and trade them for gold with wich you can buy the in game items - in my mind that is an unfair advantage. I took advantage of it in EVE when I had some money to buy plex - bougth 2 plex for $35 from EVE and them sold them in EVE for 700 million isk . At the time I did that I only had earned $20 million isk. Suddenly I was able to afford a top of the line Exhumer and outfit it. Just saying - those with money will be able to buy more things.
Such is the way of life.
But not necessarily the way of gaming. The developers actually have a choice about whether to make economic leverage a part of their game mechanics or not.
In EVE and GW2 those with more money will have the advantage of leveraging that. In RIFT I don't have that option. I must game for what I want.
While I agree with yout, I'd like to point out that every MMO has gold farmers. So, really, that option is available to people whether it is built into the system or not. Yes, I can buy gold in Rift, too. However, in Rift, the usefulness of the tradable currency is diminished by the other forms that must be earned. GW2 also as a similar system in place. I don't think the decision to make gems tradable for gold is game-breaking.
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Well that sucks, anything that costs gold can be bought for money then, same thing as Diablo 3 RMAH really except gems instead of Blizzard bucks. It's not a gamebreaker and I understand their motives for doing it but the game would be alot better if anything that affects a characters power in any way couldn't be bought with RL money.
I would be fine with vanity items for money but gear for money takes away the achievement of players who actually put in the effort to earn the items ingame themselves. Only way I wouldn't mind this is if anyone who buys gems get a big $ sign hovering over their head at all times, so everyone knows he/she/it paid to win.
True, but the gem/ingame system isn't the reason you would do this. You already had it in mind to achieve wealth through shortcuts. Farming anything can be lucrative, like you said, just need to be smart about it.
I don't see this as being 'abused' in the way you presume to the detriment of gameplay since again, without the gear, what is purchasable that's extraordinary?
I don't really understand why so many people don't get why this announcement can be considered a "bad" thing.
Prior to this announcement, the community was (at large) under the impression that RMT would be used for mainly cosmetic or convenience items, and you would NOT be able to buy power.
Now we find that RMT can be used to (indirectly) buy gold. So this means either gold can't be used to buy power (which means the game will not have much of an economy), or RMT CAN be used to buy power.
Just putting a "layer" in-between real money and the auction house doesn't really change anything. You can STILL buy anything on the auction house for real money.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
OLD SYSTEM: Gold factories farmed gold and sold it for dollars.
NEW SYSTEM: Gold factores farm gold, trade it for gems, sell gems for dollars.
This is better?
I have no idea what Ectos are, I actually never said one word to anyone in Guild Wars. It was more isolating than even I cared for. I had no clue how to go about being social, given that everything I did was in my own instance, not counting trips to town and I also had no desire to join a guild.
But you make a good point. There is no telling how players are going to react to this situation. What if very few people are willing to purchase diamonds to exchange for gold or services? What if they demand such a high price that it isn't worth it to cater to them even if they are willing to trade?
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
Services can be purchased if nothing else. As long as the buyer is willing to pay enough to interest the seller, leveling services, help with pvp, help with item acquisition (assuming any items are worth acquiring) is just a few diamonds away.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
lmao. Really thats what you come up with
how do you sell gems for dollars.. you cant sell them back to anet, and if your gonna buy gems why not just buy from anet, why trust a gold seller
Gold sellers farm gold--> use gold to buy gems from players --> Sell gems on website for cash = PROFIT!!!
Because they will be cheaper.
Never underestimate what people will do to save a dollar.
Third party sellers will pop up selling gems just like third party sellers exist now selling gold.
yes you can buy anything thats not more powerfull then anything i can get. In guild wars 1 they pretty much handed you every upgrade of armor you could get stat wise via the craft system. so everytime there was something with better stats you could easily get it at the level it was available.
why use a third party though. Third party sellers only pop up now because you cant buy gold legitimatly
Really they will be wasting their time. They would have to pay someone to play their character forever. Remember, gear doesn't matter. Everyone top level will have the same basic armor stat as you at least in whatever proffession you happen to be in. Wherever you go in the game, you will be scaled down. So you won't be able to go around easily and kill things in the beginner areas with the ease you would be able to in other games. (this will make farming gold for gold farmers harder too :P ) SO now you have payed someone to level your character to 80 and you are stuck with a character you don't know how to play at ALL. You can't go anywhere without dying because you don't know what to do with your skills, you feel pretty lame. Same again for pvp. Don't forget you can join pvp at the very beginning of the game and be scaled up. I can promise you now that SOMEONE with a very low level toon who knows how to play will at some point join in pvp, get scaled up and beat the crap out of your payed for leveling service toon all the time HE is wearing crappy low level gear because just such a senario is possible in GW2. Now you will feel like a complete tool for paying a gold/leveling farmer right?
P.S. When I say YOU I don't mean you. I have come to think you are a pretty cool dude Madimorga so don't take it personal
One of life's lil hand grenades
Because it will be cheaper, just like there are still companies that sell isk even though you can buy it via flex.
Actually, I figure letting someone play your character will still be frowned on. I was thinking about dungeon parties, pvp team fills, and maybe WvWvW mercs (for real, I could see this happening from time to time during off hours), plus any items that are worth having while leveling but that do not drop frequently (if such will exist).
I don't take it personally, though, I knew you were speaking in general. Even though you have made an incorrect assumption about my gender!
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
if thats the case then gold sellers are gonna be there no matter what, and you wont know who bought gold. and everything that everyone is complaing about being p2w will just happen anyway because those people will pay real money for gold from gold farmers.
Apologies! There are few of us lady gamers I figured it was safer to say dude :P
One of life's lil hand grenades
The point of the gold<->gem transfer being player-controlled is that the exchange rate matches the comparitive value of the two different currencies. It will self-adjust to current values, so if gold-sellers start undercutting the in-game rate, the value of gold decreases, and the exchange rate adjusts to the new value. Essentially, it's impossible for gold sellers to undercut and maintain a stable market- the only effect that they can have is to drive the value of gold down to the expense that is required to upkeep their farming operation.
Assuming ArenaNet also uses regular means to fight gold sellers (account bans, etc), which they're already doing in GW1, and NCSoft is doing for their other MMO's, I can't see any means for goldselling to be a profitable business for GW2.
As for P2W, I've always known that in F2P games as selling items or buffs in the cash shop that are better than what you can get normally by playing the game. Paying $ to buy gold from other players to buy gear that other players acquired normally in-game and are selling on the auction house seems the opposite concept. All of the money and/or stuff from the auctionhouse was made/earned by players normally, and the cash shop person can trade cash shop perks to those players in return. This is the opposite of what I encounter in, for example, Wakfu, where you can buy better weapons from the cash shop than you can get normally in-game (and then use those weapons to PK other players)- which is P2W.
Yeah I think he is just a troll fanboy. Bioware made a game that is so lacking in many areas and this is his response.
I really didn't mind the system in STO. It gave me the opportunity to buy RMT items without paying RM. This system sounds similar. Unsure what the problem is. If anything the people who aren't paying gain the biggest advantage from paying players because paying players will always have a few spare bits to throw away after purchase. This ultimately gives me *the non paying player* a chance to buy RMT items.
Conversely I do see the problem of using RMT to buy gold. Although I think people will be able to buy gold I don't think gold can buy the best items. One thing we've overlooked is the Karma currency. Currently we know it is for NPC item vendors. I have a feeling that karma is what buys the best in game items. Not gold or Gems.
Play for fun. Play to win. Play for perfection. Play with friends. Play in another world. Why do you play?
Is everyone retarded?
You either spend time or money to get anything in the game, including things like renames and other stuff. You can get everything for free after buying the box game. I mean seriously, why is everyone so butthurt. Who cares if Darklord55 got his max items within 2 days while Ruffles24 spent a month getting it. It doesn't affect you. Get over it. I don't even even know why I'm posting this. 99% of the people here are too ignorant to understand such a simple concept.
If it's not far that some random guy has more money to waste than you, then how the hell is it far that you have more time to waste than him.
I think most people underestimate how many mmo players actually buy in game currency with real money.
Its exactly the same in other games. Except maybe swtor because money has no value there.
It's like complaining that i will only pay $40 for this weekends beta but the average price is $100 on RP.. I won't spend $100 for 3 days, but i'd spend $40
If you got disposable income and you want to spend it on a game, that's fine. As long as the person w/o the money can eventually achieve the same who cares.
I was only speaking toward his last sentence (which I should have highlighted). "Just saying - those with money will be able to buy more things."
Yes there is a leverage in EVE, but in EVE ( an example we've seen in action) that leverage is only in terms of risk, IE what a player can risk. The advantage is disposability. It's also offset per capita by the fact that the system opens itself up to numerous players, meaning Corp A has people employing that advantage and so does Corp B. With the nature of a game like EVE there's too much that effects a victory to ensure a victory by such means. It can effect first strike capability that's for sure, even then that first strike could still fail due to the emergent nature of EVE and massive PVP in general.
Does more siege equipment ensure a victory? Who knows, until we do it's hard to say whether it will be an issue or not. It's certainly an area A-net and players should monitor during testing
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While I agree with yout, I'd like to point out that every MMO has gold farmers. So, really, that option is available to people whether it is built into the system or not. Yes, I can buy gold in Rift, too. However, in Rift, the usefulness of the tradable currency is diminished by the other forms that must be earned. GW2 also as a similar system in place. I don't think the decision to make gems tradable for gold is game-breaking.