That's not common sense, because you can create inflation by playing the AH via gems.
For instance, if I bought a lot of gems, traded them for gold with another player, and then bought up a ton of mats in the AH to resell at a profit, it would work the same way as if I'd bought gold in WoW. It is not inflation neutral, because it doesn't take into account the fact that the supply of gold might be limited, but the supply of mats, being limited, is very susceptible to price inflation. You also have to take into account the supply-demand characteristics of mats ingame, otherwise someone willing to spend RL money for ingame gems can make a killing speculating on the AH, with more of an advantage than someone who only has the gold they earned speculating to trade with.
However, the more gems flooding the market, the less valuable those gems become. If everone bought $15 worth of gems each month and placed them on the market, they would be worth next to nothing in gold. Speculators have room to profit from speculation, but I wouldn't assume that they will be right even most of the time. Every other AAA MMO I can think of has server only, (and usually faction only) Auction Houses, which makes price manipulation viable for speculators. In GW2, the Marketplace is cross server. All players everywhere share the same Marketplace. How do you manipulate mat prices as one person on one server out of a hunderd or more? There could be millions of players for this game in the early months, how does one person ever hope to manipulate a market of millions? (With enough money, maybe, but I tend to doubt anyone will drop $millions into GW2 gems)!
That is interesting. I didn't know the AH was cross-server. But why wouldn't it ultimately cause mat inflation anyway, if you can buy the gems to trade for gold to buy mats? Servers surely won't be that unique in their behaviours. My point is that it is not 'neutral,' even if the supply of gold is fixed, as mats will not be.
But your response does make me wonder - can you buy stuff in the AH with gems as opposed to in-game gold? Is there some sort of conversion option there? Thanks for your considered reply, by the way.
Gems are currency for cash shop only. The only thing you can do in game with them is trade them to other players. There is no NPC that will trade gems for gold for example.
Lol that makes no sense. Why would anyone buy gems in the cash shop if all you can do with them is trade them to other players? There has to be more use for them. Are you really sure that they are not used as currency for npcs?
Absolutely positive. Gems is the currency for the cash shop only.
Gems are currency for cash shop items, but players can also sell them for Gold on the in game Marketplace. The cross server nature of the Marketplace is important because it makes it impossible for someone to buy up all the cheap offerings of a resource and then jacking up the price when they resell them. How do you corner the market on a resource whenthere are millions of players sharing the same market?
So, at best a crafter could buy Gems for cash and sell them on the Market for Gold, in order to fund their crafting progression, but they are still just one crafter out of many thousands all offering their wares for sale in competition with each other.
It's also harder for a few big spenders to boost overall inflation. If the game had server specific marketplaces, many servers may have too little Gem to Gold trading to matter, but you could get some servers that just happen to have a few individuals willing to plop down a lot of Cash for Gems for Gold. On those servers, those players could have a negative impact on the economy, mostly by cornering the market on resources and desirable crafted items and selling at artificially inflated prices. That just can't happen here. There would have to be thousands of people spending insane amounts of cash on the Cash to Gem to Gold trade to have an impact and if this were ever to happen, the flood of Gems on the Market would drive down the Gold selling price of Gems, decreasing the possible impact on inflation.
Remember that Gems don't create new Gold in the economy. There is no vendor that pays you Gold for a Gem. If you sel a Gem, it's to other players via the Marketplace and that gold already exists in the economy.
The prepurchase chalice gives You Glory points, which are nothing but "expierience" points for doing structured PvP matches that let You unlock cosmetic variations of PvP gear. Hardly game breaking. You might get different looking boots 4 days sooner than a guy who didn't use it. IMBA! :P
I'm talking about the influence item, not the glory item.
Anet sold that along with the other items for 15$ extra, which clearly shows that they aren't opposed to the idea of selling advantages, even though they say otherwise. Or maybe NCsoft is forcing them to, because they realized that GW2 fans will just tag along with whatever Anet says? Who knows? Being a comminuty of irresponsible consumers is just asking NCsoft to take advantage of the situation.
The prepurchase chalice gives You Glory points, which are nothing but "expierience" points for doing structured PvP matches that let You unlock cosmetic variations of PvP gear. Hardly game breaking. You might get different looking boots 4 days sooner than a guy who didn't use it. IMBA! :P
I'm talking about the influence item, not the glory item.
Anet sold that along with the other items for 15$ extra, which clearly shows that they aren't opposed to the idea of selling advantages, even though they say otherwise. Or maybe NCsoft is forcing them to, because they realized that GW2 fans will just tag along with whatever Anet says? Who knows? Being a comminuty of irresponsible consumers is just asking NCsoft to take advantage of the situation.
Am I missing something? When did Anet sell influence items in GW? Or where has it been stated they will sell them in GW2?
So you can purchase gems with money, that can be traded for gold in game. If I'm reading this correctly, this gives advantage to players who spend real money as opposed to those who don't.
you can buy large quanties of gems and trade them for gold with wich you can buy the in game items - in my mind that is an unfair advantage. I took advantage of it in EVE when I had some money to buy plex - bougth 2 plex for $35 from EVE and them sold them in EVE for 700 million isk . At the time I did that I only had earned $20 million isk. Suddenly I was able to afford a top of the line Exhumer and outfit it. Just saying - those with money will be able to buy more things.
common misconception you cannot sell gems on the marketplace aka you can't put them on broker. You can only trade them with another player.
a lot of ppl have been talking about influence potion like it fact, unfortunately its from s video that a lot of the ppl biching about haven't watched. It shows you can use guild influence to get karma, it not a potion from cash shop, its using guild influence to get karma bonus 5%.
The prepurchase chalice gives You Glory points, which are nothing but "expierience" points for doing structured PvP matches that let You unlock cosmetic variations of PvP gear. Hardly game breaking. You might get different looking boots 4 days sooner than a guy who didn't use it. IMBA! :P
I'm talking about the influence item, not the glory item.
Anet sold that along with the other items for 15$ extra, which clearly shows that they aren't opposed to the idea of selling advantages, even though they say otherwise. Or maybe NCsoft is forcing them to, because they realized that GW2 fans will just tag along with whatever Anet says? Who knows? Being a comminuty of irresponsible consumers is just asking NCsoft to take advantage of the situation.
you do know that upgrades for stuff range from 200-2000 influence, that upgrades can take anywhere from 1 day to 3 days to complete and that there is a que and you cant just complete them all at the same time right?
oh and the fact that for only 10 gold you can buy 1k influence.
Remember that Gems don't create new Gold in the economy. There is no vendor that pays you Gold for a Gem. If you sel a Gem, it's to other players via the Marketplace and that gold already exists in the economy.
True in theory. In practice people who would otherwise not have spent extra time farming extra gold will do so in hopes of buying cash shop items with gold instead of with real money. Thus creating a system with more gold in circulation than would otherwise have existed.
If the devs correct for this by making farming the gold more time consuming it will simply annoy people who had no intention of buying cash shop items for gold but were planning on spending their gold on in game items, since they, too, will have to farm longer to get the gold they need. This of coruse assumes there is gold or items that can be sold for gold to farm for, but if there are not, then there is no use for diamonds, or for a player economy, for that matter.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
common misconception you cannot sell gems on the marketplace aka you can't put them on broker. You can only trade them with another player.
a lot of ppl have been talking about influence potion like it fact, unfortunately its from s video that a lot of the ppl biching about haven't watched. It shows you can use guild influence to get karma, it not a potion from cash shop, its using guild influence to get karma bonus 5%.
Ah! No I haven't seen the video but it's not the first time I've heard this "claim". I don't know how people are taking that information and turning it into $15 potions on the cash shop.
The prepurchase chalice gives You Glory points, which are nothing but "expierience" points for doing structured PvP matches that let You unlock cosmetic variations of PvP gear. Hardly game breaking. You might get different looking boots 4 days sooner than a guy who didn't use it. IMBA! :P
I'm talking about the influence item, not the glory item.
Anet sold that along with the other items for 15$ extra, which clearly shows that they aren't opposed to the idea of selling advantages, even though they say otherwise. Or maybe NCsoft is forcing them to, because they realized that GW2 fans will just tag along with whatever Anet says? Who knows? Being a comminuty of irresponsible consumers is just asking NCsoft to take advantage of the situation.
Am I missing something? When did Anet sell influence items in GW? Or where has it been stated they will sell them in GW2?
His argument is because the Deluxe and Collector's Editions featue a couple of bonus items (whose actual usefulness, for the record, we don't have an gauge on), then Anet must obviously be cool with selling things that impact gameplay with RMT.
Never mind damn near every CE of an MMO for a while now has offered things like that, and the items rarely offered enough points to be worth anything. Never mind that the entire argument is flawed.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Remember that Gems don't create new Gold in the economy. There is no vendor that pays you Gold for a Gem. If you sel a Gem, it's to other players via the Marketplace and that gold already exists in the economy.
True in theory. In practice people who would otherwise not have spent extra time farming extra gold will do so in hopes of buying cash shop items with gold instead of with real money. Thus creating a system with more gold in circulation than would otherwise have existed.
If the devs correct for this by making farming the gold more time consuming it will simply annoy people who had no intention of buying cash shop items for gold but were planning on spending their gold on in game items, since they, too, will have to farm longer to get the gold they need. This of coruse assumes there is gold or items that can be sold for gold to farm for, but if there are not, then there is no use for diamonds, or for a player economy, for that matter.
ppl grind all the time to get what they want, unless you want them to turn off farming? How does your first paragraph make any logical sense to you?
all gems do is redistribute gold, it does not create gold, somebody had to have farm the gold.
So you can purchase gems with money, that can be traded for gold in game. If I'm reading this correctly, this gives advantage to players who spend real money as opposed to those who don't.
you can buy large quanties of gems and trade them for gold with wich you can buy the in game items - in my mind that is an unfair advantage. I took advantage of it in EVE when I had some money to buy plex - bougth 2 plex for $35 from EVE and them sold them in EVE for 700 million isk . At the time I did that I only had earned $20 million isk. Suddenly I was able to afford a top of the line Exhumer and outfit it. Just saying - those with money will be able to buy more things.
Such is the way of life.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Remember that Gems don't create new Gold in the economy. There is no vendor that pays you Gold for a Gem. If you sel a Gem, it's to other players via the Marketplace and that gold already exists in the economy.
True in theory. In practice people who would otherwise not have spent extra time farming extra gold will do so in hopes of buying cash shop items with gold instead of with real money. Thus creating a system with more gold in circulation than would otherwise have existed.
If the devs correct for this by making farming the gold more time consuming it will simply annoy people who had no intention of buying cash shop items for gold but were planning on spending their gold on in game items, since they, too, will have to farm longer to get the gold they need. This of coruse assumes there is gold or items that can be sold for gold to farm for, but if there are not, then there is no use for diamonds, or for a player economy, for that matter.
ppl grind all the time to get what they want, unless you want them to turn off farming? How does your first paragraph make any logical sense to you?
all gems do is redistribute gold, it does not create gold, somebody had to have farm the gold.
Well, I know that if this change goes through, I'll see it as a challenge to farm gold and let other players buy me everything rather than spend money in the cash shop, so I'll be contributing more gold to circulation than I otherwise would have. I expect I'm not the only one with this attitude. Meanwhile, gold buyers who might have done without rather than farm it themselves will continue to fund other players. Because that's just how people are. Net result: More gold in circulation.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Well, I know that if this change goes through, I'll see it as a challenge to farm gold and let other players buy me everything rather than spend money in the cash shop, so I'll be contributing more gold to circulation than I otherwise would have. I expect I'm not the only one with this attitude. Meanwhile, gold buyers who might have done without rather than farm it themselves will continue to fund other players. Because that's just how people are. Net result: More gold in circulation.
Net result: I look terrific in my new outfit while farming gold so someone can buy me another.
Well, I know that if this change goes through, I'll see it as a challenge to farm gold and let other players buy me everything rather than spend money in the cash shop, so I'll be contributing more gold to circulation than I otherwise would have. I expect I'm not the only one with this attitude. Meanwhile, gold buyers who might have done without rather than farm it themselves will continue to fund other players. Because that's just how people are. Net result: More gold in circulation.
Net result: I look terrific in my new outfit while farming gold so someone can buy me another.
You don't understand looking truly rich. What you need is a bunch of lackeys farming your gear and killing your enemies for you while you stand around looking all crisp and useless in your fine clothes.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Oh, I need to buy this item from this npc/player. Sec, I have to turn on the moneyprinting press' *goes to cash shop*
And this is different from our real life economy HOW exactly?
In GW2 you're not taking the whole nation further into debt by doing it. You're only causing inflation to in-game gold value, while Karma is mostly isolated from that. If this was such a bad thing, our entire Generation would have revolted against the Federal Reserve by now and elected politicians who vowed to Abolish the Fed.
Worried about it? Go ahead but until people actually do something about it, they're just hypocrites.
Well, I know that if this change goes through, I'll see it as a challenge to farm gold and let other players buy me everything rather than spend money in the cash shop, so I'll be contributing more gold to circulation than I otherwise would have. I expect I'm not the only one with this attitude. Meanwhile, gold buyers who might have done without rather than farm it themselves will continue to fund other players. Because that's just how people are. Net result: More gold in circulation.
Net result: I look terrific in my new outfit while farming gold so someone can buy me another.
You don't understand looking truly rich. What you need is a bunch of lackeys farming your gear and killing your enemies for you while you stand around looking all crisp and useless in your fine clothes.
Alas there are no heroes in GW2 I will miss my heros more then ANYTHING! Far more reliable then pugs and less mouthy
Well, I know that if this change goes through, I'll see it as a challenge to farm gold and let other players buy me everything rather than spend money in the cash shop, so I'll be contributing more gold to circulation than I otherwise would have. I expect I'm not the only one with this attitude. Meanwhile, gold buyers who might have done without rather than farm it themselves will continue to fund other players. Because that's just how people are. Net result: More gold in circulation.
Net result: I look terrific in my new outfit while farming gold so someone can buy me another.
You don't understand looking truly rich. What you need is a bunch of lackeys farming your gear and killing your enemies for you while you stand around looking all crisp and useless in your fine clothes.
Alas there are no heroes in GW2 I will miss my heros more then ANYTHING! Far more reliable then pugs and less mouthy
Heh. Kinda liked the heroes system too, but who knows, maybe you can pay your player lackeys to be silent?
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Well, I know that if this change goes through, I'll see it as a challenge to farm gold and let other players buy me everything rather than spend money in the cash shop, so I'll be contributing more gold to circulation than I otherwise would have. I expect I'm not the only one with this attitude. Meanwhile, gold buyers who might have done without rather than farm it themselves will continue to fund other players. Because that's just how people are. Net result: More gold in circulation.
Net result: I look terrific in my new outfit while farming gold so someone can buy me another.
You don't understand looking truly rich. What you need is a bunch of lackeys farming your gear and killing your enemies for you while you stand around looking all crisp and useless in your fine clothes.
Alas there are no heroes in GW2 I will miss my heros more then ANYTHING! Far more reliable then pugs and less mouthy
Heh. Kinda liked the heroes system too, but who knows, maybe you can pay your player lackeys to be silent?
That's a thought, I wonder if silence can be bought with gems? At the very least they should be polite at all times!
You know why D3 doesn't bother me and this does? Because the way D3 is going to work, I think a bunch of first world wannabe gold farmers are going to drive prices on individual items so ridiculously low that it will be nearly impossible for gold farmers to make a profit.
But GW2 isn't going to be about individual items put up by players for real money. It's about taking real money and turning it into currency to buy GW2 items with. Same as it's always been for the gold farmers, they'll mostly sell gold completely outside the system (except maybe for a little diamond speculation on the side), and no doubt they'll also dabble in jacking up AH prices and creating scarcity of goods so supply drives demand.
The difference is that D3 is a gear grind, GW2 is not. Why do you keep asuming the game is WoW?
Because most of these whiners are either 1) too stupid to understand the game and the system or 2) just annoying trolls trying to start probs.
That's a thought, I wonder if silence can be bought with gems? At the very least they should be polite at all times!
I still haven't figured out whether I'm going to be one of the lackeys or the resident rich witches, but if I lackey it up, I am definitely charging extra for being polite!
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
Remember that Gems don't create new Gold in the economy. There is no vendor that pays you Gold for a Gem. If you sel a Gem, it's to other players via the Marketplace and that gold already exists in the economy.
True in theory. In practice people who would otherwise not have spent extra time farming extra gold will do so in hopes of buying cash shop items with gold instead of with real money. Thus creating a system with more gold in circulation than would otherwise have existed.
If the devs correct for this by making farming the gold more time consuming it will simply annoy people who had no intention of buying cash shop items for gold but were planning on spending their gold on in game items, since they, too, will have to farm longer to get the gold they need. This of coruse assumes there is gold or items that can be sold for gold to farm for, but if there are not, then there is no use for diamonds, or for a player economy, for that matter.
ppl grind all the time to get what they want, unless you want them to turn off farming? How does your first paragraph make any logical sense to you?
all gems do is redistribute gold, it does not create gold, somebody had to have farm the gold.
Well, I know that if this change goes through, I'll see it as a challenge to farm gold and let other players buy me everything rather than spend money in the cash shop, so I'll be contributing more gold to circulation than I otherwise would have. I expect I'm not the only one with this attitude. Meanwhile, gold buyers who might have done without rather than farm it themselves will continue to fund other players. Because that's just how people are. Net result: More gold in circulation.
This goes both ways. There are a lot of people who would pay gems for an armor than farm for it. Lots of people are willing to fork over a few bucks for gear. This causes less farming overall, even if just a bit.
However, people who are willing to farm for gems are already farming for gold. Gems doesn't make someone farm more, it just gives them a different reason and option to farm. Gems will lower farming. If you are willing to farm for gold for gems for gear, then you are already wiling to farm for gold for gear. So in the end, gems should lower farming and gold circulation.
That's a thought, I wonder if silence can be bought with gems? At the very least they should be polite at all times!
I still haven't figured out whether I'm going to be one of the lackeys or the resident rich witches, but if I lackey it up, I am definitely charging extra for being polite!
I won't be hiring you then :P
But seriously I've just been sitting here thinking about this. Anyone who has played GW1 knows the players themselves made an alternative currency. Ectos. Ectos have a gold value of sorts, set by the player base itself. They aren't easy to get, much harder then gold and depending on how you like to spend your time in game, there are for some, more enjoyable ways to get something that someone with ecto's might want in exchange. I have seen items for sale in exchange for x amount of gold, or x amount of ectos. Sometimes people want to buy ectos for gold and not an item, and sometimes people want to sell ectos for gold and not an item. Depends. There are such huge variations and this while it may seem wildly complicated if you have no idea what I'm talking about, works. Especially as the amount of gold you are allowed to keep is limited. Ectos can be stored instead of gold, rather like gold bullion I suppose in a bank vault. I don't think gems will have the same effect as ectos as the prices will fluctuate far too much depending on supply. In the end, gems I can assure you are far less painful to get then ectos for example. So will players make another currency again as they did in GW1? I wouldn't doubt it. Gems may not be the be all end all that people expect them to be beyond the ability to buy vanity items. You may find yourself having to pay your lackeys with something other then gems OR gold
Remember that Gems don't create new Gold in the economy. There is no vendor that pays you Gold for a Gem. If you sel a Gem, it's to other players via the Marketplace and that gold already exists in the economy.
True in theory. In practice people who would otherwise not have spent extra time farming extra gold will do so in hopes of buying cash shop items with gold instead of with real money. Thus creating a system with more gold in circulation than would otherwise have existed.
If the devs correct for this by making farming the gold more time consuming it will simply annoy people who had no intention of buying cash shop items for gold but were planning on spending their gold on in game items, since they, too, will have to farm longer to get the gold they need. This of coruse assumes there is gold or items that can be sold for gold to farm for, but if there are not, then there is no use for diamonds, or for a player economy, for that matter.
ppl grind all the time to get what they want, unless you want them to turn off farming? How does your first paragraph make any logical sense to you?
all gems do is redistribute gold, it does not create gold, somebody had to have farm the gold.
Well, I know that if this change goes through, I'll see it as a challenge to farm gold and let other players buy me everything rather than spend money in the cash shop, so I'll be contributing more gold to circulation than I otherwise would have. I expect I'm not the only one with this attitude. Meanwhile, gold buyers who might have done without rather than farm it themselves will continue to fund other players. Because that's just how people are. Net result: More gold in circulation.
This goes both ways. There are a lot of people who would pay gems for an armor than farm for it. Lots of people are willing to fork over a few bucks for gear. This causes less farming overall, even if just a bit.
However, people who are willing to farm for gems are already farming for gold. Gems doesn't make someone farm more, it just gives them a different reason and option to farm. Gems will lower farming. If you are willing to farm for gold for gems for gear, then you are already wiling to farm for gold for gear. So in the end, gems should lower farming and gold circulation.
Hm. Not necessarily. There is a psychological drive to get something for nothing involved now that isn't there when it comes to farming for gear. Now if I farm enough, I'm a clever gamer pulling one over on the system by getting someone else to buy my DLC goodies for me with their real cash.
I'm not young, nor overly stupid. I even know myself well enough to state the issue, yet it will still affect my farming patterns. I have no reason to think I'm going to be the only one.
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Gems are currency for cash shop items, but players can also sell them for Gold on the in game Marketplace. The cross server nature of the Marketplace is important because it makes it impossible for someone to buy up all the cheap offerings of a resource and then jacking up the price when they resell them. How do you corner the market on a resource whenthere are millions of players sharing the same market?
So, at best a crafter could buy Gems for cash and sell them on the Market for Gold, in order to fund their crafting progression, but they are still just one crafter out of many thousands all offering their wares for sale in competition with each other.
It's also harder for a few big spenders to boost overall inflation. If the game had server specific marketplaces, many servers may have too little Gem to Gold trading to matter, but you could get some servers that just happen to have a few individuals willing to plop down a lot of Cash for Gems for Gold. On those servers, those players could have a negative impact on the economy, mostly by cornering the market on resources and desirable crafted items and selling at artificially inflated prices. That just can't happen here. There would have to be thousands of people spending insane amounts of cash on the Cash to Gem to Gold trade to have an impact and if this were ever to happen, the flood of Gems on the Market would drive down the Gold selling price of Gems, decreasing the possible impact on inflation.
Remember that Gems don't create new Gold in the economy. There is no vendor that pays you Gold for a Gem. If you sel a Gem, it's to other players via the Marketplace and that gold already exists in the economy.
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I'm talking about the influence item, not the glory item.
Anet sold that along with the other items for 15$ extra, which clearly shows that they aren't opposed to the idea of selling advantages, even though they say otherwise. Or maybe NCsoft is forcing them to, because they realized that GW2 fans will just tag along with whatever Anet says? Who knows? Being a comminuty of irresponsible consumers is just asking NCsoft to take advantage of the situation.
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But I honestly think its an ok microtransactions plan.
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Am I missing something? When did Anet sell influence items in GW? Or where has it been stated they will sell them in GW2?
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you can buy large quanties of gems and trade them for gold with wich you can buy the in game items - in my mind that is an unfair advantage. I took advantage of it in EVE when I had some money to buy plex - bougth 2 plex for $35 from EVE and them sold them in EVE for 700 million isk . At the time I did that I only had earned $20 million isk. Suddenly I was able to afford a top of the line Exhumer and outfit it. Just saying - those with money will be able to buy more things.
Currently bored with MMO's.
common misconception you cannot sell gems on the marketplace aka you can't put them on broker. You can only trade them with another player.
a lot of ppl have been talking about influence potion like it fact, unfortunately its from s video that a lot of the ppl biching about haven't watched. It shows you can use guild influence to get karma, it not a potion from cash shop, its using guild influence to get karma bonus 5%.
you do know that upgrades for stuff range from 200-2000 influence, that upgrades can take anywhere from 1 day to 3 days to complete and that there is a que and you cant just complete them all at the same time right?
oh and the fact that for only 10 gold you can buy 1k influence.
True in theory. In practice people who would otherwise not have spent extra time farming extra gold will do so in hopes of buying cash shop items with gold instead of with real money. Thus creating a system with more gold in circulation than would otherwise have existed.
If the devs correct for this by making farming the gold more time consuming it will simply annoy people who had no intention of buying cash shop items for gold but were planning on spending their gold on in game items, since they, too, will have to farm longer to get the gold they need. This of coruse assumes there is gold or items that can be sold for gold to farm for, but if there are not, then there is no use for diamonds, or for a player economy, for that matter.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
Ah! No I haven't seen the video but it's not the first time I've heard this "claim". I don't know how people are taking that information and turning it into $15 potions on the cash shop.
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His argument is because the Deluxe and Collector's Editions featue a couple of bonus items (whose actual usefulness, for the record, we don't have an gauge on), then Anet must obviously be cool with selling things that impact gameplay with RMT.
Never mind damn near every CE of an MMO for a while now has offered things like that, and the items rarely offered enough points to be worth anything. Never mind that the entire argument is flawed.
Nice one. I left you a gift post.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
ppl grind all the time to get what they want, unless you want them to turn off farming? How does your first paragraph make any logical sense to you?
all gems do is redistribute gold, it does not create gold, somebody had to have farm the gold.
Such is the way of life.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Well, I know that if this change goes through, I'll see it as a challenge to farm gold and let other players buy me everything rather than spend money in the cash shop, so I'll be contributing more gold to circulation than I otherwise would have. I expect I'm not the only one with this attitude. Meanwhile, gold buyers who might have done without rather than farm it themselves will continue to fund other players. Because that's just how people are. Net result: More gold in circulation.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
Net result: I look terrific in my new outfit while farming gold so someone can buy me another.
One of life's lil hand grenades
You don't understand looking truly rich. What you need is a bunch of lackeys farming your gear and killing your enemies for you while you stand around looking all crisp and useless in your fine clothes.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
And this is different from our real life economy HOW exactly?
In GW2 you're not taking the whole nation further into debt by doing it. You're only causing inflation to in-game gold value, while Karma is mostly isolated from that. If this was such a bad thing, our entire Generation would have revolted against the Federal Reserve by now and elected politicians who vowed to Abolish the Fed.
Worried about it? Go ahead but until people actually do something about it, they're just hypocrites.
Alas there are no heroes in GW2
I will miss my heros more then ANYTHING! Far more reliable then pugs and less mouthy 
One of life's lil hand grenades
Heh. Kinda liked the heroes system too, but who knows, maybe you can pay your player lackeys to be silent?
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
That's a thought, I wonder if silence can be bought with gems? At the very least they should be polite at all times!
One of life's lil hand grenades
Because most of these whiners are either 1) too stupid to understand the game and the system or 2) just annoying trolls trying to start probs.
I still haven't figured out whether I'm going to be one of the lackeys or the resident rich witches, but if I lackey it up, I am definitely charging extra for being polite!
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein
This goes both ways. There are a lot of people who would pay gems for an armor than farm for it. Lots of people are willing to fork over a few bucks for gear. This causes less farming overall, even if just a bit.
However, people who are willing to farm for gems are already farming for gold. Gems doesn't make someone farm more, it just gives them a different reason and option to farm. Gems will lower farming. If you are willing to farm for gold for gems for gear, then you are already wiling to farm for gold for gear. So in the end, gems should lower farming and gold circulation.
I won't be hiring you then :P
But seriously I've just been sitting here thinking about this. Anyone who has played GW1 knows the players themselves made an alternative currency. Ectos. Ectos have a gold value of sorts, set by the player base itself. They aren't easy to get, much harder then gold and depending on how you like to spend your time in game, there are for some, more enjoyable ways to get something that someone with ecto's might want in exchange. I have seen items for sale in exchange for x amount of gold, or x amount of ectos. Sometimes people want to buy ectos for gold and not an item, and sometimes people want to sell ectos for gold and not an item. Depends. There are such huge variations and this while it may seem wildly complicated if you have no idea what I'm talking about, works. Especially as the amount of gold you are allowed to keep is limited. Ectos can be stored instead of gold, rather like gold bullion I suppose in a bank vault. I don't think gems will have the same effect as ectos as the prices will fluctuate far too much depending on supply. In the end, gems I can assure you are far less painful to get then ectos for example. So will players make another currency again as they did in GW1? I wouldn't doubt it. Gems may not be the be all end all that people expect them to be beyond the ability to buy vanity items. You may find yourself having to pay your lackeys with something other then gems OR gold
One of life's lil hand grenades
Hm. Not necessarily. There is a psychological drive to get something for nothing involved now that isn't there when it comes to farming for gear. Now if I farm enough, I'm a clever gamer pulling one over on the system by getting someone else to buy my DLC goodies for me with their real cash.
I'm not young, nor overly stupid. I even know myself well enough to state the issue, yet it will still affect my farming patterns. I have no reason to think I'm going to be the only one.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
~Albert Einstein