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  • WellzyCWellzyC Stillwater, MNPosts: 557Member Uncommon

    Fair,

    ALso people need to remember. WE ARE NOT PAYING 15 BUCKS A MONTH.

    Thus spening a few bucks every now and then on gems is not a big deal. Being able to trade gems also means you dont NEED to spend real money on them if you dont want to.

    I think this will be a neat system and i look forward to it.

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  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownPosts: 3,452Member
    The balance is its both Pay2Win & Farm2Win or a gear grind at one step removed. Like EvE is.
  • atticusbcatticusbc Burlington, VTPosts: 1,069Member

    Originally posted by WellzyC

    Fair,

    ALso people need to remember. WE ARE NOT PAYING 15 BUCKS A MONTH.

    Thus spening a few bucks every now and then on gems is not a big deal. Being able to trade gems also means you dont NEED to spend real money on them if you dont want to.

    I think this will be a neat system and i look forward to it.

    your post is far too sane. please leave.

  • atticusbcatticusbc Burlington, VTPosts: 1,069Member

    Originally posted by RefMinor

    The balance is its both Pay2Win & Farm2Win or a gear grind at one step removed. Like EvE is.

    there is no gear treadmill in GW2. it will not be p2w. a skilled player with a twig will be able to beat an unskilled player who has the best gear. that is evident from the beta vids. why does everyone think that it still has a gear grind? seriously. we're not in kansas anymore!

  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownPosts: 3,452Member
    Originally posted by atticusbc


    Originally posted by RefMinor

    The balance is its both Pay2Win & Farm2Win or a gear grind at one step removed. Like EvE is.

    there is no gear treadmill in GW2. it will not be p2w. a skilled player with a twig will be able to beat an unskilled player who has the best gear. that is evident from the beta vids. why does everyone think that it still has a gear grind? seriously. we're not in kansas anymore!

     

    The grind is for the gold to buy the gems to buy the gear, it was clear in my statement.
  • DJJazzyDJJazzy louisville, COPosts: 2,053Member

    Originally posted by RefMinor

    Originally posted by atticusbc

    Originally posted by RefMinor

    The balance is its both Pay2Win & Farm2Win or a gear grind at one step removed. Like EvE is.

    there is no gear treadmill in GW2. it will not be p2w. a skilled player with a twig will be able to beat an unskilled player who has the best gear. that is evident from the beta vids. why does everyone think that it still has a gear grind? seriously. we're not in kansas anymore!

     

    The grind is for the gold to buy the gems to buy the gear, it was clear in my statement.

    You don't need to buy any gear with gold if you don't want to.

  • atticusbcatticusbc Burlington, VTPosts: 1,069Member

    Originally posted by RefMinor

    Originally posted by atticusbc

    Originally posted by RefMinor

    The balance is its both Pay2Win & Farm2Win or a gear grind at one step removed. Like EvE is.

    there is no gear treadmill in GW2. it will not be p2w. a skilled player with a twig will be able to beat an unskilled player who has the best gear. that is evident from the beta vids. why does everyone think that it still has a gear grind? seriously. we're not in kansas anymore!

     

    The grind is for the gold to buy the gems to buy the gear, it was clear in my statement.

    you don't need the gear (like i said in my post), so you don't need to get gems, so you don't need to grind for gold.

  • starstar Seattle, WAPosts: 1,101Member

    Originally posted by RefMinor

    Originally posted by atticusbc

    Originally posted by RefMinor

    The balance is its both Pay2Win & Farm2Win or a gear grind at one step removed. Like EvE is.

    there is no gear treadmill in GW2. it will not be p2w. a skilled player with a twig will be able to beat an unskilled player who has the best gear. that is evident from the beta vids. why does everyone think that it still has a gear grind? seriously. we're not in kansas anymore!

     

    The grind is for the gold to buy the gems to buy the gear, it was clear in my statement.

    You can't buy good gear with gold. Jesus people are totally missing that there's a 3rd, unique currency for purchasing gear that is only gained through participating in DEs.

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  • stragen001stragen001 ReadingPosts: 1,720Member

    Originally posted by atticusbc

    Originally posted by RefMinor


    Originally posted by atticusbc


    Originally posted by RefMinor

    The balance is its both Pay2Win & Farm2Win or a gear grind at one step removed. Like EvE is.

    there is no gear treadmill in GW2. it will not be p2w. a skilled player with a twig will be able to beat an unskilled player who has the best gear. that is evident from the beta vids. why does everyone think that it still has a gear grind? seriously. we're not in kansas anymore!

     

    The grind is for the gold to buy the gems to buy the gear, it was clear in my statement.

    you don't need the gear (like i said in my post), so you don't need to get gems, so you don't need to grind for gold.

    So by your logic, someone wearing no gear at all, would be able to compete with someone fully geared up. Yeah. Sure.

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  • stragen001stragen001 ReadingPosts: 1,720Member

    Originally posted by star

    Originally posted by RefMinor


    Originally posted by atticusbc


    Originally posted by RefMinor

    The balance is its both Pay2Win & Farm2Win or a gear grind at one step removed. Like EvE is.

    there is no gear treadmill in GW2. it will not be p2w. a skilled player with a twig will be able to beat an unskilled player who has the best gear. that is evident from the beta vids. why does everyone think that it still has a gear grind? seriously. we're not in kansas anymore!

     

    The grind is for the gold to buy the gems to buy the gear, it was clear in my statement.

    You can't buy good gear with gold. Jesus people are totally missing that there's a 3rd, unique currency for purchasing gear that is only gained through participating in DEs.

    From http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Karma - Try again. 

     

    Karma Karma.png is a non-tradable reward received by participating in events and helping others with their personal storyline. It is primarily used to develop a character's personality. Karma can also be used to buy items from certain NPCs.

    Almost everything which is attainable by using karma is also purchasable using coin.[1]


    [edit]Acquisition

    Karma can be obtained by:



    • completing events.


    • assisting another player with their personal story.

    The amount of karma you currently have is indicated on the bottom left-hand side of the inventory window. Karma cannot be traded between players.

    Cluck Cluck, Gibber Gibber, My Old Mans A Mushroom

  • atticusbcatticusbc Burlington, VTPosts: 1,069Member

    Originally posted by stragen001

    Originally posted by atticusbc


    Originally posted by RefMinor


    Originally posted by atticusbc


    Originally posted by RefMinor

    The balance is its both Pay2Win & Farm2Win or a gear grind at one step removed. Like EvE is.

    there is no gear treadmill in GW2. it will not be p2w. a skilled player with a twig will be able to beat an unskilled player who has the best gear. that is evident from the beta vids. why does everyone think that it still has a gear grind? seriously. we're not in kansas anymore!

    The grind is for the gold to buy the gems to buy the gear, it was clear in my statement.

    you don't need the gear (like i said in my post), so you don't need to get gems, so you don't need to grind for gold.

    So by your logic, someone wearing no gear at all, would be able to compete with someone fully geared up. Yeah. Sure.

    yes. if they're fighting a total moron, yes. gear provides stat boosts, not victory determining powers like all the gear grinders. GW2 is not about the gear. it's about the player. if this doesn't sit well with you, go elsewhere.

  • someforumguysomeforumguy HomePosts: 3,538Member Uncommon

    Why do some come up with the 'remember you are not paying a sub fee!' excuse? That is still no reason to start selling ingame currency (I specifically didn't write gold) in their cash shop.

  • RizelStarRizelStar Raleigh, NCPosts: 2,773Member

    Originally posted by RefMinor

    Originally posted by atticusbc

    Originally posted by RefMinor

    The balance is its both Pay2Win & Farm2Win or a gear grind at one step removed. Like EvE is.

    there is no gear treadmill in GW2. it will not be p2w. a skilled player with a twig will be able to beat an unskilled player who has the best gear. that is evident from the beta vids. why does everyone think that it still has a gear grind? seriously. we're not in kansas anymore!

     

    The grind is for the gold to buy the gems to buy the gear, it was clear in my statement.

    Gems only work for cash shop items 

     

    LMFAOOOOO!

    I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.

    I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.

    P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)

    Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.

  • RizelStarRizelStar Raleigh, NCPosts: 2,773Member

    Originally posted by stragen001

    Originally posted by star


    Originally posted by RefMinor


    Originally posted by atticusbc


    Originally posted by RefMinor

    The balance is its both Pay2Win & Farm2Win or a gear grind at one step removed. Like EvE is.

    there is no gear treadmill in GW2. it will not be p2w. a skilled player with a twig will be able to beat an unskilled player who has the best gear. that is evident from the beta vids. why does everyone think that it still has a gear grind? seriously. we're not in kansas anymore!

     

    The grind is for the gold to buy the gems to buy the gear, it was clear in my statement.

    You can't buy good gear with gold. Jesus people are totally missing that there's a 3rd, unique currency for purchasing gear that is only gained through participating in DEs.

    From http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Karma - Try again. 

     

    Karma Karma.png is a non-tradable reward received by participating in events and helping others with their personal storyline. It is primarily used to develop a character's personality. Karma can also be used to buy items from certain NPCs.

    Almost everything which is attainable by using karma is also purchasable using coin.[1]


    [edit]Acquisition

    Karma can be obtained by:



    • completing events.


    • assisting another player with their personal story.

    The amount of karma you currently have is indicated on the bottom left-hand side of the inventory window. Karma cannot be traded between players.

    Did you miss the word almost who here missed almost.

     

    We also got tokens,glory,reward tokens some ish like that, and another thing I'm missing.

    Also please guys look at all the mechanics of the game you'll realize you can't win spending money no matter what you do.

    You also can't get all the good gear.

    So anyone still wants to try and p2w in this game?

    I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.

    I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.

    P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)

    Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.

  • RefMinorRefMinor MyTownPosts: 3,452Member
    Originally posted by RizelStar


    Originally posted by RefMinor


    Originally posted by atticusbc


    Originally posted by RefMinor

    The balance is its both Pay2Win & Farm2Win or a gear grind at one step removed. Like EvE is.

    there is no gear treadmill in GW2. it will not be p2w. a skilled player with a twig will be able to beat an unskilled player who has the best gear. that is evident from the beta vids. why does everyone think that it still has a gear grind? seriously. we're not in kansas anymore!

     

    The grind is for the gold to buy the gems to buy the gear, it was clear in my statement.

    Gems only work for cash shop items 

     

    LMFAOOOOO!

     

    Yes, and the shop sells gear, not sure which bit of that is making you confused
  • RizelStarRizelStar Raleigh, NCPosts: 2,773Member

    Originally posted by RefMinor

    Originally posted by RizelStar

    Originally posted by RefMinor


    Originally posted by atticusbc


    Originally posted by RefMinor

    The balance is its both Pay2Win & Farm2Win or a gear grind at one step removed. Like EvE is.

    there is no gear treadmill in GW2. it will not be p2w. a skilled player with a twig will be able to beat an unskilled player who has the best gear. that is evident from the beta vids. why does everyone think that it still has a gear grind? seriously. we're not in kansas anymore!

     

    The grind is for the gold to buy the gems to buy the gear, it was clear in my statement.

    Gems only work for cash shop items 

     

    LMFAOOOOO!

     

    Yes, and the shop sells gear, not sure which bit of that is making you confused

    Here is the issue the shop sells cosmectic gear not stat gear, why are you confused into thinking we are confused, I'm trying to help but it is funny. My post above elaborates more, I just can't help but laugh.

    I'm dead as when I say this if it was p2w I'd admit it, I'm not perfect, but if all signs pointed against p2w which they do, I'd see if the core mechanics worked the exact same as previous MMOs.

    This is a concpet where unfortunately with this game you gotta once again look at the whole game in order to understand why it's not p2w and f2w.

    If you expect such you [will] be dissappointed.

    I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.

    I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.

    P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)

    Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member

    well i dont have much choice

    DAOC is dying

    bioware completely ballsed up WAR when they took it over

    TSW has become a carebears game

    Planetside 2 also has a cash shop

    Dominus is west coast servers only (no thanks from the UK)

     

    If you "have" to spend cash, I will just put aside what I would normally spend on a sub for it.

    What I would love though, and I hope ArenaNet are thinking about this.

         Give me a sub option, where I pay a sub, I get 8 character slots, a supply of gems once a month and the DLC for free.

     

  • KingJigglyKingJiggly Simpsonville, SCPosts: 777Member

    Originally posted by RefMinor

    Originally posted by RizelStar

    Originally posted by RefMinor


    Originally posted by atticusbc


    Originally posted by RefMinor

    The balance is its both Pay2Win & Farm2Win or a gear grind at one step removed. Like EvE is.

    there is no gear treadmill in GW2. it will not be p2w. a skilled player with a twig will be able to beat an unskilled player who has the best gear. that is evident from the beta vids. why does everyone think that it still has a gear grind? seriously. we're not in kansas anymore!

     

    The grind is for the gold to buy the gems to buy the gear, it was clear in my statement.

    Gems only work for cash shop items 

     

    LMFAOOOOO!

     

    Yes, and the shop sells gear, not sure which bit of that is making you confused

    It doesn't sell any better gear though... just COSMETIC gear that looks different/ more fancy... they will not provide any stat bonuses, simliar to Guild Wars 1 I would assume, you also need to remember there are town clothes in GW2 along with normal armour.

  • KingJigglyKingJiggly Simpsonville, SCPosts: 777Member

    Originally posted by ShakyMo

    well i dont have much choice

    DAOC is dying

    bioware completely ballsed up WAR when they took it over

    TSW has become a carebears game

    Planetside 2 also has a cash shop

    Dominus is west coast servers only (no thanks from the UK)

     

    If you "have" to spend cash, I will just put aside what I would normally spend on a sub for it.

    What I would love though, and I hope ArenaNet are thinking about this.

         Give me a sub option, where I pay a sub, I get 8 character slots, a supply of gems once a month and the DLC for free.

     

    What is funny is that you dont "have" to.

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