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Does Star Wars: The Old Republic Deserve the Wrath of the Haters?
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Hey guys guess what?
I still like this game...and so does my girlfriend...and so do 4 of my other friends...
Just figured i'd speak out as the apparent minority, that never voices our facetious opinions on here due to the fact that we're all just too busy playing the old republic.
You're missing the point. The investors DIDN'T make a good return on this product.
Walmart is one of the most efficient businesses on the planet; MOST companies cannot run on the margins they do, because they precisely sell things that consumers consider at least as valuable as their corresponding prices.
From an economic perspective, it was a waste, because BOTH the consumer AND the company incurred losses.
From a financial perspective, it was a waste, because the company incurred losses.
There is no way to look at this game and say it was worth anybody's time or effort. They could have bought Greek bonds and been far better off (some people actually did this).
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
Sooo, it still boils down to poor money management. Especially when SWTOR, like most P2P MMOs with a box price, comes with a 30 day free trial with the box purchase.
I bought the box, played my free trial, discovered the game was not my thing, and didn't pay a penny more. No one to blame but himself for that one.
I see this far too much. When Final Fantasy XIV released, I distinctly remember someone on the forums screaming that they hated the beta and thought the game was crap, but turned around and bought the collector's edition and around $100 worth of Crysta and were complaining that the game wasn't good.
i don't know does any game desrve a bunch of finatical spoiled angry children ranting about it......seems odd behavior if you were not a gamer ....no... ?
but then again wow had to deal with the same thing for how long so ya ......as much as i would love to blame the phenomena on entitled spoiled gamers, frankly some of the blame goes to gamging companies that treat us like adorable morons/ hamsters on a exercise wheel ....there is plenty of blame to go around as to why there is such a disconnect between the two sides.
I don't remember hearing a group of people whine as much as the ones who hate this game. Most don't seem to be able to differentiate between opinion and fact either.
Most of us have been disappointed by games at one time or another. It happens. Get over it!
Fair enough.
Here's the truth of all this...
1 angry voice is a nitpicker
10 angry voices are critics
10,000 angry voices are a bunch of spoiled haters
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SWTOR has 10,000 angry voices.
There are just so many people that are critical of this game that it gives the impression that people are just "hating" on it. I know that you can bring up examples of posters here that post multiple negative things about SWTOR, but let's be honest...the criticism of SWTOR is far bigger than just this forum.
The only reason that everyone thinks SWTOR is getting so much hate is because there are so many dissatisfied people.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
That's true, It's not like JTL came out almost a year after SWG launched, right? Could you image if SWG had launched without ANY kind of space combat? That would have been awful.
What if everyone in SWG had become Jedi after the first month? That's pretty much what happened with SWTOR. SWG endgame took years of hardcore dedication to unlock a Jedi. Then the easy mode era took over, and we find ourselves here.
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
ah yes my bad, im sorry. apology said but still your money you do what you want dont matter to me. its my money i love the game im still playing and i dont care what you do. Still not the end of the world well not till mid dec (LOL) but truth behold they still not gonna refund your money back. If they did they would have to do it for everyone else. And i dont honetly see that happening.
Yes it would have. When you do something, you do it properly. Not something halfassed.
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Im having fun wish I pre ordered.
The point is, once we got it it was good. TORs space isn't even worthy of the name space and I see zero signs of it being revamped down the road.
Was that a space game I was playing I thought it was a bad joke by Bioware
LoL I've been suspended from these forums twice for "hating" on this game. Although I understand [Mods] wanting to keep the forums as friendly and positive as possible I can't help but think they've been a little harder at work since the w-h (heavy on the H)-iplash that SWTOR has recieved.
This game is honestly a joke based on the amount of development time, funding and marketing it has recieved. I'm sure at one point and more than likely very early on consumers expectations surpassed what was actually being put out by Bioware / EA. Now when I say this, it's not to completely say that conumers simply excepted TOO much from SWTOR. I'm more inclined to say that Bioware / EA has fallen that short on what they decided to release.
Fuck all that bullshit of what they "promised" or what they did or didn't say about SWTOR. They had $300 Million, over a decades worth of "metric" data and bounds upon bounds of technological advancements since World of Warcraft (If that's what some people MUST compare this game to). Trion with Rift didn't stray very far from the model set by Blizzard, but they made a REAL attempt at developing on that model and seeking out it's own identity.
As lovely and heartwarming as some of the cutscenes may be in Star Wars: The Old Republic, I can't say that they are features that would have me come back to SWTOR. I've been unsubbed more than a month and even had to call of customer service to get a refund on a month because they decided to still charge me even after I canceled my subscription with over 10 days left on that current cycle. It's cool though, I screamed on these lames and got my money back.
NOTE: This is the first time I've ever had to seek out a refund from a game. I've spent plenty of throw away money on my games. PLEX in EVE, staying subscribed to a game for a month or two even though I'm not playing, but with SWTOR I absolutely could not and WOULD not let them get away with digging in my pockets again for the sub-satisfactory experience I had. I'm dead ass when I say this, I don't need to troll this game with false acusations or blow out of preportion point of views.
To me this game has nothing to really show that would not warrant the flack it is recieving. The game has strong points, that is the story and voice overs and if you asked 100 people in a room you'd get 100 of the same answers. Perhaps that is the root of SWTOR's problem. They did one thing above avergae (Not mindblowing) and everything else is well... .sub-par..
Like the Tiger Woods type of Sub-par; Like call it a day, hop in the Bentley and hit the highway for gtfo's..
PM before you report at least or you could just block.
So that 0.5882352%
Nice.
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It's just an expression to mean "a lot"...I obviously haven't tabulated the exact numbers of people complaining about SWTOR
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Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
I agree with everything he said except for the part about not remembering a game getting this amount of negativity. I played SWG for two and a half years during all three of it's incarnations and there wasn't a day that went by where there wasn't people b*tching about something on the official forums. There was complaints about bugs, lag, broken professions, overpowered professions, nerfs, jedi getting a free character slot, no content...etc.etc. I can only imagine what the whine fest was like on release with no mounts, no space, no jedi and the other horror stories I heard that happened at that launch.Negativity is par for the course in gaming. Now some of the complaints for TOR are valid such as the PVP, game not running smoothly, exessive sharding, etc.. but some people really do need to learn how to do proper research before buying. Coming into this game and expecting SWG just shows how ignorant you are as a consumer.
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The real question to this thread title should be..
Does Star Wars: The Old Republic Deserve the Faith of the Biodrones?
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I didn't expect SWG, I expected something better which it wasn't.
I have not seen many SWTOR-haters. What I see are people who are letdown and like me think SWTOR is a very mediocre game which falls way behind what it could and should have been as 2012-MMO with the Star Wars IP.
I don't think SWTOR is a horrible game, but it is not a MMO which makes me stay more than 2-3 months and then game over for me, because I have seen 2-3 stories and that is as much as this game is interesting. They sure did some really nice things with SWTOR, some really bad things and a lot of things which are just bland and mediocre. For a game with so many years in development, so many people working on it and so much Dollars invested, with all we know about MMOs today, this sure is a very, very mediocre game and a huge letdown. That isn't hate. But it is another MMO, making quick bucks and fall into obscurity within the next 6-12 months. And the Star Wars IP surely would have deserved better, so as SW fan I am of course angry they did not better.
There are so many things in other MMOs which worked great and were popular, but Bioware totally and entirely ignored EVERY SINGLE ONE of them. Why is beyond me. Like:
- no lush, detailled, immersive worlds and instead making sterile theatre stages
- no non-story/heroic activities to do besides the waste of "space on rails" which you do a few times and then have seen all
- almost NO ambient sounds
- horrible fashion sense, few gear looking cool so you "really want that too"
- no non-combat hobbies, professions which were popular in other MMOs (music: LOTRO, entertainers: SWG, fishing, asf.)
- horrible social hub
- bland warzones and a simply unfinished barebone PVP system
- so many "small issues", like why is you PVP group ALWAYS dissolved after EVERY warzone, but you individual pvp queue is continued so all members end up in different pvp warzones eventually? How can such a BASIC feature be so broken?
I am sure I could count much more if I had the will. I don't have a vendetta against Bioware, I have a vendetta against their slowly changing paradigm what makes a good RPG. Since they are part of EA, their idea of RPGs, MMO or single player, is changing in ways I do not think I like. Maybe they even sell more that way, or they just sell because "it's Bioware", but they most certainly are losing their grip on what makes good, complex, memorable RPGs and MMORPGs. And I fight against this trend of simplification and streamlining in games, because for me their ruin a once beloved hobby into fast food trash mentality.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
They really bought it on themselves and imo they even lied about certain aspects of their game.
I was a member of their forums from the very first day and one of the main question was: is the game open world and BioWare said it was,its not.
Then you have their arrogance with comments like "every mmo up to this point has been a waste of time" lol wtf are they on?
We who have been playing mmo long before bioware dreamed of making a mmo or attempted to make an mmo have wasted all our years playing them because bioware said so.
They talked a good one but came up with a joke of a game,they can never be btaken seriously again.Right now they are not really feeling it but by the end of the year they will be trying to give the game away.