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Lord of the Rings Online: Update 6 - Soldiers on the Landscape

SBFordSBFord Associate Editor - News ManagerThe Land of AZPosts: 16,649MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon

Turbine recently released Update 6 for LotRO on the Bullroarer test server which gives players a lot of new territory to explore in the Great River Region. We've got a preview of what players can expect. Read on!

Update 6 for LotRO is currently being advertised in e-mails and forum posts with everybody’s favorite release date: Coming soon. So sometime soon (meaning sometime between now and later) LotRO players will be able to explore the Great River Region- a part of the Upper Anduin, complete over 170 quests, complete new epic story content; receive an update for the Instance Finder, and with the introduction of the Soldier on Landscape system, use their skirmish soldiers on the landscape.

Read more of Dylan Grozdanich's Lord of the Rings Online: Update 6 - Soldiers on Landscape.

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  • WebzeroWebzero fayetteville, NCPosts: 33Member

     word

  • kevjardskevjards carlislePosts: 1,463Member

    hopefully they will make the mobs that little bit harder..if they make it easier it will start to be a bit of a joke.i do like the idea of the soldiers out on the landscapes,but only if it is done right.thing is there are not many peeps levelling toons ,so the soldiers will help them lvl quicker for those that are creating them.either way it should be interesting.

    i do get the feeling they will change things a little here and there once soldiers are in place.

  • RobsolfRobsolf Grand Rapids, MIPosts: 4,250Member Uncommon

    Wasn't really expecting ya to go all analytical on this, with a list and all, but they are all very good points.

    Thing is, I hope they don't go making the mobs much harder, or at least if they do, award more XP.  I don't really want mob to mob killing to slow down.  Taking longer to kill doesn't really equal greater challenge in most cases, lest ye manage to pull a half dozen mobs down on yourself.

    But mostly, I don't want to HAVE to call my soldier to go everywhere.  One of the big drawbacks to TOR is that that companion pretty much has to be there at your side most of the time.  In some ways, it feels kinda like that PnP DM who would always put his pet character in your party whether you wanted them or not.  Because of that, In some ways, it feels like you only get to create HALF a character in TOR..

    But I am glad that they'll be around for support and squishy classes that seem to have it tougher getting quests done.

    On advancement speed:  Compared to most modern games, LotRO's levelling progress is actually fairly slow.  I'm not a power-leveler, but where TOR took me about 4 weeks to max, and WoW maybe 3 weeks(as of Cata), LotRO still takes me a couple months, at least at my pace.

    Thanks for the article!

  • ShariShari WolverhamptonPosts: 732Member Uncommon

    Mobs are already hard enough so I hope they don't increase difficulty. The only problem I have with this is that the soldiers are horribly buggy and they only attack when they please. Also they tend to wander about the place and get stuck alot. I really hope they improve the AI on them before they let you summon them on landscape.

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  • RobsolfRobsolf Grand Rapids, MIPosts: 4,250Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Shari

    Mobs are already hard enough so I hope they don't increase difficulty. The only problem I have with this is that the soldiers are horribly buggy and they only attack when they please. Also they tend to wander about the place and get stuck alot. I really hope they improve the AI on them before they let you summon them on landscape.


     

    It's been a while since I skirmished, but yeah, they had(and probably have) some positioning issues that would do that... issues bad enough to where I switched from a tank to an herbalist for my hunter.  The tank would somehow always position himself behind me, and so when I'd be picking mobs off at range, he'd just stand there, and the "order to attack X mob" button has a cooldown...

    Now, if only they had "attack on sight" options like most pets have.  Those low level kill deeds would go by SO much faster...   :)

     

  • angerbeaverangerbeaver Dorval, QCPosts: 871Member Uncommon

    you also have to rent them from the Turbine store at 100tp/hour.

  • OzmodanOzmodan Hilliard, OHPosts: 7,193Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by angerbeaver

    you also have to rent them from the Turbine store at 100tp/hour.

    Huh? You obviously don't play the game at all.  Soldiers cost you nothing.

    The soldier system will certainly will help against elite mobs.  Only thing about lotro that I don't really like is that the mob experience is low, especially for elites.

  • ShaunJ1380ShaunJ1380 evansville, INPosts: 77Member

    I just hope I don't have to use them. I hate skirmmishes. I only play Lotro for the awesome quest text. Seriously. It's the game I go to when I just want to chill and quest.

    I do exactly what he talks about in this article. I alienate myself and I do it on purpose.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,222Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Ozmodan

    Originally posted by angerbeaver

    you also have to rent them from the Turbine store at 100tp/hour.

    Huh? You obviously don't play the game at all.  Soldiers cost you nothing.

    The soldier system will certainly will help against elite mobs.  Only thing about lotro that I don't really like is that the mob experience is low, especially for elites.

    So soldiers do cost TP unlocks to raise their skill cap?  Did Turbine remove the TP costs associated with soldiers?

     

    That is the thing about this game now.  It's really expensive to get the full experience.  Way more than the $9.99 a sub used to cost.  There is no way the monthly TP stipend covered everything.  That's a huge reason why I canceled and stopped playing.  The game is a nickel and dime fest.

    Add to that the slow clunky combat, the ancient engine, the long standing bugs, the focus on their cash shop and store exclusives, and the glacial development pace along with the costly half-xpacs, then it just became unfun and expensive.

    Nothing in the last couple of updates sounds attractive enough to get me to try the game again.

  • nolic1nolic1 Kingman, AZPosts: 687Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Torvaldr

    Originally posted by Ozmodan


    Originally posted by angerbeaver

    you also have to rent them from the Turbine store at 100tp/hour.

    Huh? You obviously don't play the game at all.  Soldiers cost you nothing.

    The soldier system will certainly will help against elite mobs.  Only thing about lotro that I don't really like is that the mob experience is low, especially for elites.

    So soldiers do cost TP unlocks to raise their skill cap?  Did Turbine remove the TP costs associated with soldiers?

     

    That is the thing about this game now.  It's really expensive to get the full experience.  Way more than the $9.99 a sub used to cost.  There is no way the monthly TP stipend covered everything.  That's a huge reason why I canceled and stopped playing.  The game is a nickel and dime fest.

    Add to that the slow clunky combat, the ancient engine, the long standing bugs, the focus on their cash shop and store exclusives, and the glacial development pace along with the costly half-xpacs, then it just became unfun and expensive.

    Nothing in the last couple of updates sounds attractive enough to get me to try the game again.

    Everyone can do skirmishes at lvl 20 now this gives you the basic warrior soidler after that you can run skirmishes all day long to build up your soilder into many differant class types from healers to tanks but like someone said above they don't always listen to comands if they had a tool bar like the do for pets and captins flag bearers then it would make them better. As for the TP thing no soilder every cost TP unless you had to buy the expansion with them. But you dont anymore thisa shappend with the release of F2P you could do the basic skirmishes for free and could buy the others as needed. As for cost to play I have unlocked more then all the content on $70 and own all content in game by buying points when there where on sale I did already own Mines of Moria and theexpasion after that haven't bought the Isengaurd one yet cause I have no need for it right now. I am expecting the soilder thing to add more overland play to be easyier but Moria will still be tough, but so will be finding a grp for dungeons and raids.

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    To me I enjoy gaming I dont play to be uber I play to have fun. If a game is not fun to me guess what I move on and play something else till I find one that is. When I find that great game and not sure if in my life time there will be one I hope it has everything I want in an mmo.

  • BereKinBereKin SplitPosts: 287Member

    Looking nice, I just hope they will not lose there edge.

  • PukeBucketPukeBucket Beaverton, ORPosts: 867Member

    Best Pro v Con list I've ever seen from mmorpg.com

    I'm more looking forward to it than not. I play a Captain so kind of used to this type of game play, and I always play the game in duo mode with my significant other. So knowing that there's a chance that the two of us could control 5 players in the game in duo mode (as in how we often do skirmishes and with a great deal of fun) and do their small group content is appealing. LotRO throws some pretty tough content at the players and I don't think enough people appreciate it. I think they'll balance it to where it's just another way to play rather than the law of the land.

    I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.

  • LogansanLogansan BrisbanePosts: 45Member

    Interesting, may just bring me back to LOTRO to check out....

  • MMOGamer71MMOGamer71 Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 1,930Member Uncommon

    Always like LOTRO, simply a case of too many games out and not enought time.  Ironic IMO that LOTRO would announce an  expansion on the heels of the DDO update coming also.

  • TorvalTorval Oregon CountryPosts: 7,222Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by nolic1

    Originally posted by Torvaldr


    Originally posted by Ozmodan


    Originally posted by angerbeaver

    you also have to rent them from the Turbine store at 100tp/hour.

    Huh? You obviously don't play the game at all.  Soldiers cost you nothing.

    The soldier system will certainly will help against elite mobs.  Only thing about lotro that I don't really like is that the mob experience is low, especially for elites.

    So soldiers do cost TP unlocks to raise their skill cap?  Did Turbine remove the TP costs associated with soldiers?

     

    That is the thing about this game now.  It's really expensive to get the full experience.  Way more than the $9.99 a sub used to cost.  There is no way the monthly TP stipend covered everything.  That's a huge reason why I canceled and stopped playing.  The game is a nickel and dime fest.

    Add to that the slow clunky combat, the ancient engine, the long standing bugs, the focus on their cash shop and store exclusives, and the glacial development pace along with the costly half-xpacs, then it just became unfun and expensive.

    Nothing in the last couple of updates sounds attractive enough to get me to try the game again.

    Everyone can do skirmishes at lvl 20 now this gives you the basic warrior soidler after that you can run skirmishes all day long to build up your soilder into many differant class types from healers to tanks but like someone said above they don't always listen to comands if they had a tool bar like the do for pets and captins flag bearers then it would make them better. As for the TP thing no soilder every cost TP unless you had to buy the expansion with them. But you dont anymore thisa shappend with the release of F2P you could do the basic skirmishes for free and could buy the others as needed. As for cost to play I have unlocked more then all the content on $70 and own all content in game by buying points when there where on sale I did already own Mines of Moria and theexpasion after that haven't bought the Isengaurd one yet cause I have no need for it right now. I am expecting the soilder thing to add more overland play to be easyier but Moria will still be tough, but so will be finding a grp for dungeons and raids.

    I'll give you a hint.  There is no way to max out your soldier unless you pay TP or bought the unlock with an xpac.

     

    I think the game is hugely expensive if you want to play the full meal deal and a total gouge.  We all have our opinions.

  • WhySoShortWhySoShort KunmingPosts: 315Member

    Grouping never has been and I suspect never will be a problem in LOTRO. The reason is that unlike traditional MMOs where you form a group of 5/6 or a raid, LOTRO has far more grouping options so people don't have to spam /glff for hours. Skirmishes can be done solo or in groups of 2, 3, 6, 12, or 24, and there are plenty of dungeons designed as 3-mans instead of 6. Not to mention that there is a sort of "Lotro Effect" that draws people who actually want to group to the game and are just dying to help lower level players run through hard instances. That I can't explain. Skirmish soldiers on the landscape, therefore, will not kill grouping. 

    Plus, skirmish soldiers have been described as a temporary help by Turbine; they will not be able to replace grouping because I imagine they'll be a temporary summon on a long cooldown.

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  • DredphyreDredphyre Los Angeles, CAPosts: 601Member

    Ironically, I feel at a loss when I log in to LOTRO these days. I kinda sit there and stare at my character with his half-finished Legendary items, the Mirkwood faction that I wasn't able to max before the next area came out, the several dailies from Lorien that I haven't done in months...I'm like 5 levels below cap, skirmishes are sort of a mystery to me, as is all the math that goes into stats ( I still don't know what some of the damage types are, nor the mitigations)...

     

    The same sort of thing happened to me in EQ...at some point, with all the xpacs and additions, the game started to feel as though it had gotten away from me.

  • CembryeCembrye Washington, DCPosts: 54Member

    I have unsubbed to LOTRO after four years being a loyal customer.  The reason is something that I think also allays the reviewers concern about a new grind to trait your soldier.

    The cash shop.

    Yes, I regard it as inevitable that soldier traits will eventually be cash shopped.  Turbine has gone Pay-To-Win and I see no reason this won't happen here.

    It is also the reason I, a long time Tolkien lover, am done with LOTRO.  The soul of that game has been carved out and served up in bite size chunks to make the game company a quick buck.

  • XasapisXasapis VolosPosts: 5,561Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Dredphyre

    Ironically, I feel at a loss when I log in to LOTRO these days. I kinda sit there and stare at my character with his half-finished Legendary items, the Mirkwood faction that I wasn't able to max before the next area came out, the several dailies from Lorien that I haven't done in months...I'm like 5 levels below cap, skirmishes are sort of a mystery to me, as is all the math that goes into stats ( I still don't know what some of the damage types are, nor the mitigations)...

     

    The same sort of thing happened to me in EQ...at some point, with all the xpacs and additions, the game started to feel as though it had gotten away from me.

    What I did was starting over fairly recently. Thing is though, I never had a high level  character to begin with, so it was an easier choice from my part. LOTRO has by far the most atmospheric world than any MMORPG out there, hands down, even today.

    Btw, I always subscribe to the games that give me an option, so I didn't bother delving into the cash shop that much.

  • McGamerMcGamer Fairfield Bay, ARPosts: 1,012Member

    Leave it to Turbine to continue dumbing-down their game until it's more useless than before. Even if the mechanic turns out decent, the last-century characters models are still outdated and in dire need of better modelers. 

  • XasapisXasapis VolosPosts: 5,561Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Czanrei

    Leave it to Turbine to continue dumbing-down their game until it's more useless than before. Even if the mechanic turns out decent, the last-century characters models are still outdated and in dire need of better modelers. 

    Can't argue with that. They're pretty good with the costumes (they make good money out of them so they have to be), but the characters all look like egghead or potatoe head people. You can't make a cute or fairly attractive woman in character creation, even if your life depended on it. They also walk/run kind of funny. The emotes though are pretty nice.

  • DredphyreDredphyre Los Angeles, CAPosts: 601Member

    Originally posted by Xasapis

    Originally posted by Dredphyre

    Ironically, I feel at a loss when I log in to LOTRO these days. I kinda sit there and stare at my character with his half-finished Legendary items, the Mirkwood faction that I wasn't able to max before the next area came out, the several dailies from Lorien that I haven't done in months...I'm like 5 levels below cap, skirmishes are sort of a mystery to me, as is all the math that goes into stats ( I still don't know what some of the damage types are, nor the mitigations)...

     

    The same sort of thing happened to me in EQ...at some point, with all the xpacs and additions, the game started to feel as though it had gotten away from me.

    What I did was starting over fairly recently. Thing is though, I never had a high level  character to begin with, so it was an easier choice from my part. LOTRO has by far the most atmospheric world than any MMORPG out there, hands down, even today.

    Btw, I always subscribe to the games that give me an option, so I didn't bother delving into the cash shop that much.

    Oddly enough, I do have a few lower level characters that are way more fun to play than my highest level character.  And it is because of the atmosphere that I continue to log in from time to time.  I just wish the high end game played as nicely as the low level game.

  • Dren_UtogiDren_Utogi OuterSpacePosts: 1,714Member Uncommon

    and what do monster players get. a big fat 0

    reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  • starwarsnutstarwarsnut oceanside, CAPosts: 189Member

    lolz i told my ex lotro friends that lotro would make skirmish soldiers you could have outside of skirms to compete with swtor lmao. I knew they would do this but no one believed me hahaha

    **Disclaimer** i am not trolling or baiting or bieng negative mmorpg staff this is my opinion

  • dopplemmodopplemmo toronto, ONPosts: 31Member

    The Pros and Cons of the article are largely irrelevant, as this soldier on landscape feature will be used very sparringly. You see, to use this in the wild world, you will have to use a  special token, which will permit the use of the soldier for 1 hour.

    Cost of token:

    100 turbine points

     or

    min 20/max 45 175 marks and 10 medallions

    min 46/max 50 500 marks and 25 medallions

    min 71/max 95! 1,500 marks and 75 medallions

    If you want more info, you can check the LOTRO forums, look for the Bullroarer (public test server) section.

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