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MMORPGs in diagrams

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  • BanaghranBanaghran HuisoPosts: 869Member

    I think craft and economy is too large in the wow diagram, if you dont count daily quests and undercutting of bot gathered materials in the ah as economy...

    Flame on!

    :)

  • KingPinoyKingPinoy Concord, CAPosts: 55Member

    lol'd at the SWTOR diagram...

  • waynejr2waynejr2 West Toluca Lake, CAPosts: 6,393Member Rare

    Originally posted by DannyGlover

    Could've saved yourself some time and just made one giant bubble that said COMBAT and one tiny dot that said everything else

    Drop the combat one all together and call it a side effect.

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  • AethaerynAethaeryn Woodstock, ONPosts: 2,367Member Uncommon

    Too funny :)  You nailed a few for sure.  I have not played all of them.  using those criteria SWTOR does look bad :)  That was good fun.  The biggest factor is fun/game play though :)

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  • WickedjellyWickedjelly Yahoo, COPosts: 4,990Member

    XD

    You got me OP. Didn't see that coming. Well played, well played.

    God I needed that. Thanks :)

    1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

    2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

    3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  • BogeBoge Orem, ORPosts: 182Member

    So according to your diagram, someone with NO interest in PvP would have the perfect game in Vanguard?


  • Originally posted by Boge

    So according to your diagram, someone with NO interest in PvP would have the perfect game in Vanguard?

    Venn diagrams are not enough in order to fully describe the game ofcourse. Vanguard is an excellent choice for hardcore PvE player who loves challenging PvE, intereting and deep crafting and completely open world with some elements of sandbox. The only thing you need to remember choosing Vanguard, is that there is lack of players in the game atm. I'm currently playing VG:SOH btw.

  • GreenzorGreenzor otilioPosts: 165Member

    I approve your diagrams, but I also think that the EVE one should be the Default Good Balanced MMORPG game diagram. SWTOR one made me giggle. So true.

  • AxehiltAxehilt Posts: 10,299Member Rare

    Seems kinda ridiculous that EVE's PVE circle isn't super tiny.

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  • OberanMiMOberanMiM Chicago, ILPosts: 236Member

    Vanguard at release on the FFA pvp server was much closer to that Eve diagram..

     

    Also to note. Vanguard doesn't really have instances so the open world interaction should encompass the other aspects as well

  • AconsarAconsar Narvon, PAPosts: 262Member

    Originally posted by Axehilt

    Seems kinda ridiculous that EVE's PVE circle isn't super tiny.

    While I understand that the PVE circle in the EVE diagram should be a bit smaller, it shouldn't be as small as you make it out to be however.  There is more to EVE's PVE than just running missions which most people seem to think that's all there is.  You just have to search a bit more for the interaction as opposed to just "accept mission - go to way point".

     

    That being said, there is definitely less PVE content than other games focused around it.

  • AxehiltAxehilt Posts: 10,299Member Rare

    Originally posted by Aconsar


    Originally posted by Axehilt


    Seems kinda ridiculous that EVE's PVE circle isn't super tiny.

    While I understand that the PVE circle in the EVE diagram should be a bit smaller, it shouldn't be as small as you make it out to be however.  There is more to EVE's PVE than just running missions which most people seem to think that's all there is.  You just have to search a bit more for the interaction as opposed to just "accept mission - go to way point".

     

    That being said, there is definitely less PVE content than other games focused around it.

    Less content, attrociously balanced, worse quality.  Basically by every measure of PVE quality, EVE's PVE is trash.

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  • Cephus404Cephus404 Redlands, CAPosts: 3,675Member Common

    Originally posted by Axehilt



    Less content, attrociously balanced, worse quality.  Basically by every measure of PVE quality, EVE's PVE is trash.

    Exactly.  I played EvE and really hated it, just because I only care about PvE and EvE has virtually none of it, at least none worthwhile.  If I wanted PvP, I'd go play a FPS.

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  • ZezdaZezda Posts: 686Member Uncommon

    You two have obviously done tons of exploring and pve in wormholes

  • BunksBunks New Port Richey, FLPosts: 960Member

    LOL

    perfect!

  • dannydeucedannydeuce Sterling heights, MIPosts: 310Member

    BAZINGA!

    Anyways...I agree with the charts pretty much for the games I've played that you charted which were SWTOR, Vangaurd, and WoW. 

  • ElikalElikal ValhallaPosts: 7,912Member Uncommon

    I would not assume such things can be measured 100% accurately, but overall I think the graphics illustrate these games accurately.

    Thumbs up, OP.

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  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member Common

    the SWTOR made me chuckle

    I think the WOW one is wrong, the PVP needs to be smaller and the crafting as miniscule as the SWTOR one, also there is no overlap with pvp and crafting in WOW

  • AdamTMAdamTM Frankfurt Am MainPosts: 1,376Member

    I think most of the OPs diagrams are pretty off the mark.

    OWI doesn't even need to be there, its a PVE aspect.

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  • dinamsdinams Muriae, VAPosts: 1,362Member

    Originally posted by AdamTM

    I think most of the OPs diagrams are pretty off the mark.
    OWI doesn't even need to be there, its a PVE aspect.

    OWI actually englobes open world PvP

    So no, its not a PvE aspect only

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  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member

    Great OP, well done.

    SWTOR one made me chuckle and couldn't agree more with your thesis and the balanced, well designed MMO diagram.

  • NizurNizur Austin, TXPosts: 1,417Member

    I laughed. EVE looks like the perfect mix, but I still can't get into the game after four attempts over the last several years.

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  • ZezdaZezda Posts: 686Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Nizur

    I laughed. EVE looks like the perfect mix, but I still can't get into the game after four attempts over the last several years.

    I think with Eve what you need to do is approach it a bit differently. I mean aside from taking the responsibility of actually finding the content rather than being led to it.

     

    It's been my experience that playing it solid for the first month or two is a sure way to lose interest. Also try not to look too far ahead and concentrate more on what you can do right now rather than all the things you want to do.

  • MMOExposedMMOExposed lalal land, DCPosts: 6,419Member Uncommon
    For the WoW diagram. You forgot the PvP zones for PvE raids and dailies. Last time I was playing WoW, it had that. Not sure now.

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  • BizkitNLBizkitNL NetherlandsPosts: 2,302Member Uncommon

    This......actually made sense. Bravo!

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