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there you have it... its an asian game made with assian culture and settings. Why change it to match our culture? we can always make our own game following our culture and rules. But your answer about my comparison from elins and mortal kombat is weird.... so it is completely normal to vote against elins and give protection to a kid but we cant worry about walking out one night and getting stabbed by a psychopath ? if elins can have bad influence on kids vs adults as people claim, mortal kombat will definitely turn people into murderers...
The issue arises in how things are protrayed. A picture of a woman is just that--a picture of a woman. But if a woman in that picture were depicted in a provocative manner, it doesn't take a pervert to recognize what sort of emotions that picture was meant to evoke.
Hell even IF some sick people are wanking to video games i can have that better then same sick peeps out in the street (y'know real life, outside) preying on kids...
if those emotions interfere with the progression of your character in the game, then the problem is in your head and not in the game.
the chat was infested with trolls in all my beta sessions, trolling about the elins and the game alltogether. Just trolling very hard... even people made character named pedobears and crap and trolled more.... i dont understand why some people play a game, troll it to death and keep playing it
a good exaple of the trolling is that everyone playing an elin was supossed to be a pedo to roll that race.... plain stupid
You stated the weak fail argument that was stated few times in the thread by the most clueless posters as of yet...
I got the right impression don't worry about it.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
This gimmich will end rather soon, the same way the gimmick of boobs and nipples ended in AoC. Then only the quality of the gameplay will matter for those who choose to stay and play the game.
In the midtime, negative publicity is still publicity.
You keep trying for a strawman argument which is why it's not working. Your comparisons are superficial at best and really have little to do with the subject matter. People protect what they can and get over what they can't. A bunch of mindless murderers (Mortal Kombat combatants) are not going to rile people's hackles like a sexualized little girl will. Murderers killing each other, not a bad thing. Sexualized children, bad thing. Do you see why your comparisons make no sense? What does anything you, I or anyone else in this thread have said so far have to do with fear of getting stabbed by a psycopath? People fear that regardless.
As for Mortal Kombat, which you keep bringing up, you are under this illusion that no one minds it. That game is the reason for the ESRB rating, without it it may never have existed. That was created when the first Mortal Kombat came out and people head tripped over the decapitations. People to this day have issues with the excessive violence, and those issues were stirred again when the most recent one came out. The difference is the majority ruled, and the majority decided it wasn't that big a deal like they have with every other violent game out there. Here, the majority once again ruled, and the majority don't want to see little girls in thongs, end of discussion really.
" its an asian game made with assian culture and settings. Why change it to match our culture?"
Because it's an Asian game that's being brought over to the West, and our culture decided it has to play by a different set of rules.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
If I missunderstood then is my bad, or I blame it on a language barrier and tiredness.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
There has to be a logical fallacy somewhere in that argument, just not sure where it is... Oh wait, the whole argument is a logical fallacy.
Edit: to clarify a bit, attacks on someone's person are never a good way to support your argument.
Yea, the whole "if you see anything wrong then you're the problem" argument is really played out at this point.
So is the whole violent video games nonsense.
I don't mind a good discussion but having to answer and reanswer the same questions over and over again gets boring.
Ok, I'm done for today, gotta catch a power nap, willing to continue tomorrow if anyone else have questions.
Laters.
I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.
The logical fallacy is thinking that I was arguing at all.
To clarify: If you want to think it's helpful to call it pornography, then go ahead. If he wants to think that I am arguing to support the Elin portrayal, then he can go ahead.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.
Put another way "The lady doth protest too much, methinks".
What is more intresting than the topic itself is how people react to it.
They are, but the changes are so minor, you would not see it if you don't look for it.
It's not the shorts, because those are in the korean version too. As far as I can see the only difference is that in the EU/US version the belly button of Elins is covered.
Because belly buttons are shocking!
They should just implement a toggle option, if you aren't 18, you only get the censored version, which would cover up stuff on all the female races, not just Elin.
If you are over 18, you can switch between them, would be fairly simple to do as it is all clientside. But I suspect would take them quite a bit of time and they'd have to make alternate versions for a lot of different outfits.
Personally I think it is a shame they felt the need to censor this, I don't care one way or the other how the Elin look or are dressed, but there really is nothing wrong with the original.
http://my.mmosite.com/1cd10251c16a43d090e2399862b464a2/blog/item/1c8e968e01d15c1fdfee5b36fccf123e.html
This link shows comparisons between the uncensored and censored versions. Maybe it's because I've played asian games and watched anime practically my whole life and I'm just too accustomed to seeing characters like this, but I'm not buying the whole "these are pre-teen girls" thing. Nothing about the pictures tell me they are pre-teen. The size of a body does not determine age. Cute faces do not determine age. Small breasts do not determine age. You can take all these things into consideration to guess a person's age, if you want, but you just might be wrong.
When I look at these pictures, I do not feel arroused, nor do I feel that they are "sexy." Maybe it's because I just can never see cartoons and video games as sexy. I am personally only attracted to other human beings. These are not human beings... they are high-fantasy genre characters created from someone's mind. To me, they do not represent a human being at all. They are humanOID, but farrrrr from human.
I suppose if you want to look at the Elin and see a pre-teen girl, that is your choice. I choose to see an Elin, a short, cutesy feminine character with animalistic ears and tails, who just might shoot fireballs from her fingers.
BewAre of the BELLYbUttons... they urge for COCK!
*slam head on desk*
Thers way too many hobbypsychologists around here, on both sides.
I still go with the 'fail' argument if you see something wrong check your head first. What you think when looking at that elin picking flowers? yeah ..cute
and if you think Aww Hawt! then well its STILL a FREKING GAME. If you need your pedo lusts venting then i prefer you do it in your own 4 walls with some cyberbabe than real. Its not like its some sort of training for pedophiles to emerge from 'normal' people.
The rest of us just wont fight a war about some more cloth but for sure about the principal of censorship. Someone said thats art, other picked that up as lame excuse and bad arguments on both sides.
Point is we wont agree , ever. i once had an argument about religion with some ultrachristian father, my point beein that religion is the best crowd control polititians could ever have asked for. And the fight was on.
You can at best do that to kill time or entertain yourself but ultimately its pointless to discuss it. Some decission will be made and either you go play the game or you dont. Period.
keep typos if you find em.
Sounds like a bad hentai.
As for the changes, I didn't know the complaints were that frequent or many to the point they'd changed the game, but it does make sense if it's being published to a different audience.
My point is that different societies consider different things as art. It's not just my "imaginary society," every society does this. The way people determine if something is art is how it relates to their moral views, which are usually determined by the society they live in.
I think that we're talking about two different things. You seem to be talking about "art" being a universal, all encompassing entity and I'm talking about why people consider something as art and something as not.
First off, you do not decide who gets to post here and who doesn't.
I don't just kill bad people in MMOs, I kill everyone and everything the game lets me, and I do it for personal gain mostly of wealth and items. Not only that but just because you lable someone as "bad" doesn't make killing them ok.
Personal attacks are all fun and games, but bring nothing of value to the topic.
You asked me nothing at the start. I only entered this thread because of the stupid double standard of violence vs sex in video games.
Please, PLEASE point out in one of my posts where I said I wanted Elin in TERA. Please point out where I said I wanted their korean version on western servers. You won't find it because I don't have a problem with the change, at all. I do have a problem with the stupid argument of "Violence in video games is perfectly fine, killing people willy nilly all day long for money doesn't bother me because IT ISN'T REAL."
No, it isn't real. And neither is that elin, but for some weird reason which NO ONE has been able to give, that just doesn't apply here. I can do horrible, unthinkable things on the level of genocide in video games and you'll say its fine because it isn't real, but some loli anime avatar is bad.
I was civil with you the entire time. Even after you made underhanded comments about my views on child pornography, which you of course have no idea about. And when I finally called you on your personal attacks, you responded with "I asked you a question first, answer me now or stop talking, rethink your values"
What are my values? Please tell me. You seem to know them better than I do.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
Violence in video games and suggestive portrayal of children in video games are two different issues. They really have nothing to do with each other and you can't use one to excuse or justify the other.
One they are not children, regardless of how they appear...two, societies have different cultures so this isn't bad in other places, it's not your choice to judge what is wrong or right when the game was made in another country.
Lastly, violence and sexuality in this manner are both wrong on a real life scale but why would they be in a video game, it's not real. If you justify violence in games you have to justify sexuality because the reasons for justifying violance in a game are the same that can be said for sexuality. So you can only argue the Elin if you're against violence as well. They both break standard societies set morals but one is allowed in a game because it is not real but why can't the other?
I could easily say violence shouldn't be allowed in games because its disensitizing people to killing and causes them to be more aggresive and more likely to kill someone or shoot someone without thinking in real life. You'd probably disagree wi`th me because you like violence in games, whereas you don't like Elin. So let's just turn this into an anti-violence AND elin in games thread.
Not a double-standards general.
Guys, dicussing cultural context is fine, but please don't veer off into politics/policy or make it personal toward other posters.
We have cleaned up the thread some, so let's remain on topic (the topic is not other posters or the definition of art) and try to keep things civil.
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