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WoW's Subscription Numbers as of 31/12/2011

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  • slickbizzleslickbizzle Matthews, NCPosts: 464Member

    Originally posted by snoop101

    I wonder how many people resubbed in Jan or Feb. 

     

     

    Everyone that left, plus 17 million.

     

     

  • ArawulfArawulf Guest Writer Freeland, MIPosts: 522Member Uncommon

    Thank God for the Chuck Norris ad or they would have lost 5 million subs

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  • VoltharVolthar nunna, GAPosts: 4Member

    Originally posted by GameOvr

    Q3 GAAP Net Revenues by Segment/Platform Mix



    Activision and Blizzard:



    Online subscriptions (wow subs and sales)



    for 3 months $336 mil



    Q4 same line which now also includes Call of duty elite memberships



    $268 mil



    Awesome, somehow they made $68 million less in Q4 wow sales and subs, and that includes holiday sales and COD elite memberships, than they did in Q3 and lost only 100k subs which is $4.5 mil in revenue?

     

     

    Didn't they launch in South America this quarter? If those revenue numbers are right I would expect that their losses in NA/Europe were mostly covered by gains in SA, and those are at a lower subscription rate.

     

  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Volthar

    Didn't they launch in South America this quarter? If those revenue numbers are right I would expect that their losses in NA/Europe were mostly covered by gains in SA, and those are at a lower subscription rate.

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  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Manchester, NHPosts: 2,931Member Uncommon

    I wish they revealed NA/EU subs every quarter.  That would be far more telling as they get much more money per sub there.  Even gross revenue for all regions would be a better gauge.

  • CelciusCelcius Posts: 1,001Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Xiaoki

     




    Originally posted by Celcius

    Blizzard losing 100k subs during the holiday quarter is NOT a good sign. They did not lose subs to other games, they lost subs because the game has become stale,boring, and predictable.






    So, you dont think the release of Star Wars: The Old Republic, the most hyped MMO release since WoW had anything to do with the drop in subscribers?

     



    Considering the "success" of SWTOR I can see WoW gaining 100,000 subs next quarter.

    No, considering they having been losing subs for the past year now. SWTOR's success is curious though, since between that and Rift, it proves that multiple MMOs can have a million subs. (I know Rift does not have that many, but it is a fairly close guess I am sure)

  • knapleknaple Largo, FLPosts: 56Member

    What is this thread about who is playing the better game? I really dont see why it matters that WoWs numbers are down just because their numbers go down doesnt mean they are going anywhere. People will play WoW till the day they take the last server offline. Those of us who really wish it would die got a loooong time coming. Just like the people are thinking TOR will not succeed will also be sadly mistaken. 

    ~Knaple~

  • VrikaVrika FinlandPosts: 2,592Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by dotdotdash

    WoWs subscriber numbers have NOT stabalised. Over the last 3 months, a further 100,000 subscribers have been lost. That's not stablising. That's a decline.

    You do realize that stable doesn't mean the number would have to be exactly the same? Technically it'll allways either decline or increase if the game gains or loses even a single customer, but if the value stays nearly the same it's still possible to say it's stable. People stop playing and new people will start, the subcriber number is not going to stay identical, 1% change in 3 months is as stable as any MMO could realistically get.

    I'd still argue that WoW hasn't stabilized because of seasonal changes. We'd need to see data over longer perioid of time showing only very small changes in order to call it stable. But if WoW keeps loss of 1% per 3 months up for a year then the number is stable.

  • fivorothfivoroth LondonPosts: 3,665Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Vrika

    Originally posted by dotdotdash

    WoWs subscriber numbers have NOT stabalised. Over the last 3 months, a further 100,000 subscribers have been lost. That's not stablising. That's a decline.

    You do realize that stable doesn't mean the number would have to be exactly the same? Technically it'll allways either decline or increase if the game gains or loses even a single customer, but if the value stays nearly the same it's still possible to say it's stable. People stop playing and new people will start, the subcriber number is not going to stay identical, 1% change in 3 months is as stable as any MMO could realistically get.

    I'd still argue that WoW hasn't stabilized because of seasonal changes. We'd need to see data over longer perioid of time showing only very small changes in order to call it stable. But if WoW keeps loss of 1% per 3 months up for a year then the number is stable.

    What he said ^ I am not sure dotdotdash has any understanding of stats, trends, natural fluctuations etc.

    Why do you people assume that chinese people pay less? I have NEVER EVER seen a single person showing any facts or evidence to support this claim. All they say is that the Chinese do not pay a sub but pay an amount proportionate to what they play. What is the monthly figure? I sure as hell know that the EU/NA pay virtually nothing. I mean 9 pounds per month? Really? My lunch is more expensive. Or is this some sort of boosting of the Europeans/Americans ego?

    These figures were also affected by SWTOR which released during that period. A lot of people were playing SWTOR because it was their free month not necessarily because they will stay with the game.

    Overall Blizzard Activision have exceeded expectations for this quarter. What are the trends? Too early to say. Fluctuations and variations are always evaluated over a long period of time. 

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  • DAS1337DAS1337 Parma, OHPosts: 2,404Member

    Ah, so we are now calling a steady decline in general over the past 3 years a 'natural fluctuation'.

     

    Call the spade, a spade.  It's in decline and there isn't much Blizzard can do about it.  They'll still have more subs than any other MMO for a long time as well.  So it's not like WoW is going anywhere soon.  They will launch in 3rd world countries if they have to in order to keep bringing in money.  They know that the western audience is quickly dying.

     

    Titan will be revelealed next year.

  • wormedwormed Calgary, ABPosts: 374Member Uncommon

    Get the stats on how many of the recent expansions were actually sold and you'll have a more accurate number on ACTIVE playing subs.

  • NadiaNadia Canonsburg, PAPosts: 11,866Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by fivoroth

    Why do you people assume that chinese people pay less? I have NEVER EVER seen a single person showing any facts or evidence to support this claim. All they say is that the Chinese do not pay a sub but pay an amount proportionate to what they play. What is the monthly figure? I sure as hell know that the EU/NA pay virtually nothing. I mean 9 pounds per month? Really? My lunch is more expensive. Or is this some sort of boosting of the Europeans/Americans ego?

    I dont know enough about the background to chinese people paying less

    but a blogger wrote about it

    http://mmodata.blogspot.com/2009/10/chinese-wow-players-pay-less-so.html

     

     

  • PhryPhry HampshirePosts: 6,296Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by DAS1337

    Ah, so we are now calling a steady decline in general over the past 3 years a 'natural fluctuation'.

     

    Call the spade, a spade.  It's in decline and there isn't much Blizzard can do about it.  They'll still have more subs than any other MMO for a long time as well.  So it's not like WoW is going anywhere soon.  They will launch in 3rd world countries if they have to in order to keep bringing in money.  They know that the western audience is quickly dying.

     

    Titan will be revelealed next year.

    with the information given its hard to see on what you base your argument, if anything the report is actually very positive, and this is before they even release mists of pandaria which is bound to have a massive positive effect on any lapsed subs, Blizzard are masters of throwing content at their players, in often massive amounts, they can afford to i guess with the revenue that WoW pours in, and to be called a steady decline over 3 years.. would have to have meant that there was no growth in that period, which, if the subscription numbers were displayed as a graph, would indicate peaks and troughs over even a 1 year period, but the mean average is probably closer to being flat, which for a game of WoW's age is very impressive. What we're not seeing, which we would be if there really was a valid competitor for WoW's playerbase, are massive fluctuations in player numbers, all in all, have to wonder why other games are not that appealing to WoW players? its obvious that the MMO developers need to pull their creative fingers out.. what also seems to be obvious is that SW:TOR didnt provide a much needed kick, i also doubt whether GW2 is the type of game to do that either. By september this year, i really have to wonder whether we'll be seeing a positive, or a negative impact on WoW's player numbers.. at the moment i'd hazard a guess that any loss of playerbase in WoW is probably a loss to the genre as a whole, as i don't think their playing other MMO's image

  • BunksBunks New Port Richey, FLPosts: 960Member

    This is pretty good news for activision. Only dropping that much in the face of such a huge rivals release two months ago.

     

    Looks like Blizzards fate is still in its own hands. WoW will die a long slow death it seems. Only Bizz can pull the plug.

  • SukiyakiSukiyaki GreenwichPosts: 1,398Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by GameOvr

    Q3 GAAP Net Revenues by Segment/Platform Mix



    Activision and Blizzard:



    Online subscriptions (wow subs and sales)



    for 3 months $336 mil



    Q4 same line which now also includes Call of duty elite memberships



    $268 mil



    Awesome, somehow they made $68 million less in Q4 wow sales and subs, and that includes holiday sales and COD elite memberships, than they did in Q3 and lost only 100k subs which is $4.5 mil in revenue?

     

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    Between Q2 and Q3 they lost 800,000 subs, and wow revenue declined by $23 million.

    Between Q3 and Q4 they lost 100,000 subs, and wow revenue declined by $68 million.

    They lost 2.95 times more income with losing 1/8 of the subs that they did in Q3. That's pretty amazing.

    What seems more likely, is they lost a ton of high income US/EU subs and gained 100,000 less low income asia subs.

    Hey look! We only lost 100,000 subs!

     

     

    http://investor.activision.com/results.cfm

     

    Not Asia. Most certainly the peak of the long hyped and much advertized Portugese-language/Brazilian client release with cheaper subscription model for WoW over there. Its funny however how some fanbois try to fall back on selective reading, pretend the loss of 100.000 would equal the loss of any player who left to SWToR, plus people quitting since 2nd last quarter and spin this into "positive" news. As if everyone who left for SWToR especially those million annual pass subscriber incentivized not to unsubscribe to gain their benefits all instantly had/have an inactive account the second they played SWToR.

    I mean its like: "Hey everything is going down significantly enough to be undeniable now, even official records, could you guys stop pretending your game is untouchable and almost everlasting and stop comming over to every other games forum and run after their player and pretend its a clone of your favorite game and its going down for no good reasons and plain ignorant assumptions?" "NOOO LOOK THEY JUST ANNOUNCED SOMETHING GOD/BETTER THAN EXPECTED/POSITIVE/PLEASANT" "Wait, thats not good news" "HURR STOP HATING! THE FACTS SAY IT EVETHING IS FINE!" "No they ...just don't..."

    Reality:

    -Wow portugese version was released with much hype and ads just in December 2011.  WoW fanbois are fast to assume a drop of SWToR fuelling a "reflux" for this quarter, an actual regrowth of player, which likey havent mostly even been accounted yet to the loss, a grasp for straws because subs dont instantly go inactive the second they touch SWToR, especially when you can save much money and get otherwise expensive goodies, if you subs a few months longer. Unlike that, any newly attracted portugese-speaking/Brazilian player are all non-hyptothetical subscriber the second they played WoW in Q4 and even at this moment many new subscriber still are in their honeymoon phase which will only fade from here on. This should have increased both revenues and subs again.

    -Deathwing update: WoW released the much promoted and hyped "Deathwing" content, the focus of the whole expansion. This should have increased both revenues and subs again.

    -winter season during Q4, where "normal" means slight peak in revenues and gameractivity if you take out fluctations due to content releaseschedules or other factors like foreign client releases. This should have increased both revenues again.

    The unpleasant results:

    3. Player still went down by 100k vs Q3 quarter, despite an expectable temporay peak should easily have compensated for any loses or adding to a stable number, after the release of new language client in a new region, major content patches and seasonal trends.

    2. Revenues went down QoQrev (-24 M Non-GAAP). Non-GAAP revenues (aka the revenues which do not account the last scratches of the Cataclysm sales from two years ago) went down to 250 Million from 274 M. 268M are GAAP revenues, which still include 18M defered revenues they made in earlier quarters, mostly from the overhyped dissapointment Cataclysm which was followed by drops even below pre-Cata phase. Even despite the release of the Portugese client mainly aimed at Brazil in that quarter they went down. Even despite the fact they're now throwing CoD membership revenues into account, to cover up the continued losses of WoW. Despite the fact Q4 includes the winter season.

    1. Reported revenues reached a record low over the last 4 years and since ever Blizzard went publicy traded.

    Blizzard made 279 Million (GAAP) in Q4 2007 from WoW - In 2007 WoW just hit the 8 Million subscriber mark at that time.

    Blizzard made 268 Million (GAAP) in Q4 2011 from WoW+CoD Elite membership fees.

    Even now with CoD fees included this is the lowest ever recorded GAAP and also the lowest ever recorded NON-GAAP revenues since BLizzard went publicy traded.

    You could say, effectively Blizzard just earned 4% LESS, from 27,5% MORE active accounts compared to 4 years ago in a regular 4th quarter . We all know the reasons their "subscriber" are generating less revenues each. The game has bloated itself up for PR, by forcing itself with cheap prices (even for local standards) and huge incentives into population rich foreign markets to cover up continued losses in the West with new "record" announcements.

  • HoplitesHoplites SpartaPosts: 463Member

    Very astutue points have already been brought up.

    Between the marketing gimmick of the annual pass, and opening of Brazilian servers, they still had a net loss.  That is not stabilizing by any means.  They are wounded, but the bleeding has slowed down, but it has not been stopped.

    In other words, the next quarter, where they are not opening up new servers or have an annual pass may see a larger net loss.  

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