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DOTA2: RTSGuru.com | Who Owns DotA?

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Earlier today, we reported on the lawsuit filed by Blizzard against a trademark filing by Valve over the DOTA name. In a new piece at RTSGuru.com, Cassandra Khaw gives some of the background on the issue and her thoughts about what's in store for the two gaming titans. Check it out at RTSGuru.com.

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  • orbitxoorbitxo fort lauderdale, FLPosts: 1,407Member Uncommon

    League of Ledgends!

     

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  • ThegoodlolThegoodlol AmadoraPosts: 64Member

    Originally posted by orbitxo

    League of Ledgends!

     

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    Exactly, why buy Dota when you can play LoL for free?

  • SylviodroodSylviodrood Moorpark, CAPosts: 7Member

    Originally posted by Thegoodlol



    Originally posted by orbitxo



    League of Ledgends!





     





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    Exactly, why buy Dota when you can play LoL for free?




     

    despite the cornucopia of reasons to not play league of legends. dota is flat out a superior game and experience. and does blizzard really need more reasons for me to not give them money?

  • SerenesSerenes johnson city, TNPosts: 352Member

    Value will not win this lawsuit, the creators hit yes to thier terms of use of the map editor then associating DOTA with WC3.

     

     

    It is not right but its the truth law says Blizzard is in the right because the game was instantly associated by law with WC3 when the creators hit yes too the terms of use.

  • Sourd420Sourd420 town, VTPosts: 63Member

    not one mention of Icefrog Oo

  • uohaloranuohaloran ., GAPosts: 811Member

    Originally posted by Thegoodlol



    Originally posted by orbitxo



    League of Ledgends!





     





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    Exactly, why buy Dota when you can play LoL for free?

    Why buy Dota when it isn't for sale?

  • 77lolmac7777lolmac77 Herp Derp, PAPosts: 496Member
    So even if Blizzard wins the lawsuit, im assuming that will only mean a name change right? Its not like Blizzard can copyright the whole MOBA genre
  • SerenesSerenes johnson city, TNPosts: 352Member

    Originally posted by 77lolmac77

    So even if Blizzard wins the lawsuit, im assuming that will only mean a name change right? Its not like Blizzard can copyright the whole MOBA genre

    Yes it will just force Value to name the game something else that can not be associated with Blizzard/WC3.

  • fivorothfivoroth LondonPosts: 3,664Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by 77lolmac77

    So even if Blizzard wins the lawsuit, im assuming that will only mean a name change right? Its not like Blizzard can copyright the whole MOBA genre

     

    They can only copyright the name of course.

    I see so many angry people at Blizzard. You think Blizzard has no right to trademark the name? Then please elaborate why VALVE should have the right to do so? 

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  • KanethKaneth Posts: 1,927Member Uncommon

    Hell, if you read it, Blizzard isn't attempting to own the name themselves (although they have the rights to do so), they are opposing Valve's attempt to copyright the name. So in essence, DotA 2 could still be called DotA 2, but Blizzard could still keep Blizzard DotA. Although, I suspect Valve will change the name.

     

  • fivorothfivoroth LondonPosts: 3,664Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Kaneth

    Hell, if you read it, Blizzard isn't attempting to own the name themselves (although they have the rights to do so), they are opposing Valve's attempt to copyright the name. So in essence, DotA 2 could still be called DotA 2, but Blizzard could still keep Blizzard DotA. Although, I suspect Valve will change the name.

     


     

    This ^ But people on these forums are so blinded with hate towards Blizzard that they will never ever consider the possibility that Blizzard may be right about something.

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  • gilgamesh42gilgamesh42 tampa, FLPosts: 300Member

    league of legends sucks  its become more obvious that riot only cares about bringing in more nubs instead of creating features for the current player base

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  • TwwIXTwwIX Sacramento, CAPosts: 203Member

    First Notch for "Scrolls", now this bullshit. Blizzard's assholishness knows no bounds. That's what happens when you partner up with somebody like Activision.

  • Ramonski7Ramonski7 Aurora, ILPosts: 2,656Member Uncommon
    I think Blizzard didn't have an issue as long as the DoTA name was being freely used by the gaming community. Hence their reason for the sit back and wait approach. It's only when Valve used sneaky methods to try to obtain the sole rights to the name and Blizzard effectively said...No, we were under the assumption that DoTA was for public use in the gaming circle. If anyone has a right to the name it would be the company who's resources were used to create it in the first place. Or so I would think...

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  • ChrisboxChrisbox Monroe, NJPosts: 1,707Member Uncommon

    You know why blizzard shouldn't win---- BECAUSE THEY, DIDNT, MAKE, DOTA.  Blizzard did not release a game called Dota, blizzard has not been developing DOTA 2 for years now, no they have been developing pandacraft 2.0- revenge of the boring MMO....NOT....DOTA.

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  • onlinenow25onlinenow25 San Diego, CAPosts: 275Member

    This is something I posted in the D3 forums so the start is refering to a quote.

     

    This explains why Blizzard does not own the rights to the name DOTA nor can they really contenst the name.

     

    Don't know what to tell you besides Elu and Icefrog don't own the Wc3 map editor code behind making Dota, but they do own the idea and concept behind Dota. It even created its own sub-genre and both of them are working for Valve. 



    EDIT: Just a side note, Blizzard must be desperate for using DOTA on their used map setting game when HotS come out because that must be one of their big selling points for HotS.



    Morrello even said to Icefrog he could get take over Dota so that leaves Elu and Icefrog with the rights to Dota.



    Blizzard claiming the word "ancients" has anything to do with WarCraft 3 is such a huge joke its not even funny. The term ancients is used in plunty in regards to mythology and other games its not a copy righted term.



    They are simply trying to stop Valve and the creaters of Dota from banking on the name Dota.



    Blizzard does not own the name "DOTA" they should have listened to the DOTA community and supported the game when it was growing, so now they are screwed and just trying to muscle their way in to stop valve and Elu/Icefrog from trade marking their game name.





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    Blizzard must really want their "moba" or "arpg" to have DOTA attached to it to sell HotS copies, because that is the only reason I would even consider buying it, but then there is Dota 2 so screw that.

  • tawesstawess LkpgPosts: 2,535Member Uncommon

    So what gives Icefrog the right to name...? Heck one of the words in the title is a unit from WC3 and a huge part of the lore of one of the races, The guys who created DotA did not come up with one original thing apart from the setup, it is blizzards art assets, sound assests, game engine, lore assets and the oh so important fact that this reached fame because it was for WC3. You think anyone woudl have rememberd it if it was relseased as a stand alone game without any ties to the WC universe? I very much doubt it.

     

    I my mind (and what i managed to put together from different legal rescources) Blizzard are very much in the right. And even if you think that they are not you shoudl support this as the ruling here vill help define a very murky part of copyright laws.

  • AzmodaiAzmodai SydneyPosts: 154Member

    Originally posted by Sylviodrood



    Originally posted by Thegoodlol










    Originally posted by orbitxo









    League of Ledgends!













     













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    Exactly, why buy Dota when you can play LoL for free?










     

    despite the cornucopia of reasons to not play league of legends. dota is flat out a superior game and experience. and does blizzard really need more reasons for me to not give them money?




     

    Superior? in what way? DOTA blows in every way compared to LOL. A game where you farm For 50 mints and then have 1 team fight and 1v5 others is pure horse shit. LOL has alot more stratiges involved,

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  • ScalebaneScalebane La Junta, COPosts: 2,225Member

    hey morons nobody should own the DOTA name, that's what blizzard is trying to protect.  oh no though blizz is the bad guy blah blah blah....valve should not be able to own the dota name period.

    valve = evil

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  • warmaster670warmaster670 Simcoe, ONPosts: 1,384Member

    Originally posted by Scalebane

    hey morons nobody should own the DOTA name, that's what blizzard is trying to protect.  oh no though blizz is the bad guy blah blah blah....valve should not be able to own the dota name period.

    valve = evil

    Coming from someone who has no clue what REAL evil is.

     

    And funny since most of blizzards arguments stem from it potentially hurting there brand, sicne its associated with it, really if you think blizzards trying to be good to anyone but themselve shere your in denial, blizzard doesnt care about anyone but themselves.

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  • ScalebaneScalebane La Junta, COPosts: 2,225Member

    Originally posted by warmaster670

    Originally posted by Scalebane

    hey morons nobody should own the DOTA name, that's what blizzard is trying to protect.  oh no though blizz is the bad guy blah blah blah....valve should not be able to own the dota name period.

    valve = evil

    Coming from someone who has no clue what REAL evil is.

     

    And funny since most of blizzards arguments stem from it potentially hurting there brand, sicne its associated with it, really if you think blizzards trying to be good to anyone but themselve shere your in denial, blizzard doesnt care about anyone but themselves.

    yeah wanting it to remain free for anyone to use is sooooo  bad,   but its a great thing for valve to own it right, since you know they can screw the modding community over by sueing anyone that uses the name once they own it.

    but you probably think valve is all innocent and awesome.  

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  • britzbanbritzban Brocton, NYPosts: 249Member Common

    I wish Valve luck but they are going to lose. They should be calling this game something different.    Dota is a name of a mod for a game they own and the mod was created with textures and such from said game.    Blizzard owns the rights to any mod created for their game.   Blizzard also now owns  DotA-Allstars, LLC.  This guarantees they will win. 

  • spankybusspankybus Orlando, FLPosts: 1,154Member Uncommon

     

    Not sure why Blizzard is getting all of the hate. It kind of reads like Valve has no business in this mess either. TBH, that read was a bit confusing and iam not really sure what the hell is going on.

    If I am reading that correctly, neither Blizzard nor Valve hold the rights to the DOTA trademark?

     

    "Two years later, Riot Games purchased the rights to DotA All-Stars LLC. Now here's the interesting bit. Last year, Riot Games had apparently transfered the rights to DotA All-Stars to LLC, giving them ownership of of all rights DotA All-Stars LLC may have had in connection DotA Mods and the DotA All-Stars website, including any trademarks or good will DotA All-Stars LLC may have had in the DotA Marks.'"


    Kind of a cluster if you ask me, and I cannot tell who is in the right after reading this mess of an article.

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  • niceguy3978niceguy3978 Gainesville, FLPosts: 2,000Member

    Originally posted by 77lolmac77

    So even if Blizzard wins the lawsuit, im assuming that will only mean a name change right? Its not like Blizzard can copyright the whole MOBA genre

     

    No, they aren't trying to copyrite the name, valve is.  Valve wouldn't have to change the name because it wouldn't be copywrited.  

  • lordtemplarlordtemplar Burbank, CAPosts: 4Member

    The problem is that Icefrog never offically trademarked the name. Although he "named" it, since he didn't file it legally, then it can't be proved in court.

     

    Valve was trying to make it so that any time the name DOTA was used, they would make money. Blizzard wasn't the greedy ones here. I haven't played a Blizzard game since WCIII, but I agree with them on this one.

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