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More Than 1.7 Million Active Subscribers 2/1/12 [EA Conf Call Discussion Thread]

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  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,212Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by MartinZ

    Originally posted by Dredphyre

    Originally posted by I_Return

    Originally posted by I_Return


    19.26  -0.31 (-1.56%)


     


    So much for that theory .....


    19.24 -0.33 (-1.66%) closing. SWTOR continues to drag the stock down.

    Have to quote yourself because nobody pays attention to your silly presumptions?

     

    How about EA stock soaring a few days ago ( up 6%) after the earnings report and conference call regarding SWTOR? 

    EA's stock is down 20% in the past three months. Around 10% since SWTOR was release. And back down another 1.66% today on a 11 year record high for the NASDAQ.

    EA was outperforming the NASDAQ this year until almost exactly when SWTOR was released where it suddenly dropped like mad.

    Even worse EA warned in their conference call that their revenue and profits and revenue for this coming quarter are going to be below expectations.

    Looks like EA knows this game is dying rapidly and won't be the WoW killer they spent all this money hoping to be.

     

     

     EA stock is fine, EA profits are fine, SWTOR is fine. As usuall dumb asses ran the stock up in anticipation of a new MMO launch and it corrected. It will slowly creep back up in the next few months.  It Happens Every Time. It did the same thing for Warhammer only it made a bigger swing down.

    Teala SWTOR currently has in excess or 1.7 million subscribers. It probably does not have an 85% retention rate. As usual people are confabulating numbers to mean things they don't.

    "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  • achesomaachesoma Portland, ORPosts: 1,000Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Teala

    There is no way in hell they retained 85% of their playbase.  I'd bet mylife on that.   In fact I'd bet right - today as of now, this game has more like 1.2 million subs and has lost upwards of 750k since release.   That means they have seen 45% loss in players since the games release. 

    Tag this...and in 2 months we'll come back to these words  I typed, because I am about to make another prediction.  I predict within 2 more months this game is going to be nearing 500k subs.

    I tend to agree.  In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it's an even bigger drop than that.  My server already feels dead.  At peak hours, fleet shows about 60-90 players.  Down from the 200+ I'm used to seeing.  Getting groups for FPs is a pain now.  If you roll an alt, you can get through the beginning planets now without seeing another soul.  Probably why BW is trying this "Guild Summit" PR stunt.  It reeks of desperation. 

    Personally, I'm still enjoying the game but I really don't see myself playing it past the end of the year.  It's a shame since I consider myself a pretty big fan of BW.  The game just feels too incomplete to me and too many missing features that should have been a no-brainer.  Maybe they shouldn't have gone so overboard on VOs and focused more on key MMO features and game performance.  I don't feel near as "addicted" to the game as I should be for such a new game. 

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  • Dren_UtogiDren_Utogi OuterSpacePosts: 1,713Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by zymurgeist

    Originally posted by MartinZ


    Originally posted by Dredphyre


    Originally posted by I_Return


    Originally posted by I_Return



    19.26  -0.31 (-1.56%)


     


    So much for that theory .....


    19.24 -0.33 (-1.66%) closing. SWTOR continues to drag the stock down.

    Have to quote yourself because nobody pays attention to your silly presumptions?

     

    How about EA stock soaring a few days ago ( up 6%) after the earnings report and conference call regarding SWTOR? 

    EA's stock is down 20% in the past three months. Around 10% since SWTOR was release. And back down another 1.66% today on a 11 year record high for the NASDAQ.

    EA was outperforming the NASDAQ this year until almost exactly when SWTOR was released where it suddenly dropped like mad.

    Even worse EA warned in their conference call that their revenue and profits and revenue for this coming quarter are going to be below expectations.

    Looks like EA knows this game is dying rapidly and won't be the WoW killer they spent all this money hoping to be.

     

     

     EA stock is fine, EA profits are fine, SWTOR is fine. As usuall dumb asses ran the stock up in anticipation of a new MMO launch and it corrected. It will slowly creep back up in the next few months.  It Happens Every Time. It did the same thing for Warhammer only it made a bigger swing down.

    Teala SWTOR currently has in excess or 1.7 million subscribers. It probably does not have an 85% retention rate. As usual people are confabulating numbers to mean things they don't.

    tyvm for the laugh. SWTOR is the thorn in EA stocks side . All of the other products EA published last year is what is stabalizing the slower then expected downward spiral of the current stock quotes.

    reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  • Eir_SEir_S Argyle, NYPosts: 4,623Member

    Well hey, they can't all be BF3.

  • zakiyawowzakiyawow Boston, MAPosts: 626Member Common

    Originally posted by Teala

    There is no way in hell they retained 85% of their playbase.  I'd bet mylife on that.   In fact I'd bet right - today as of now, this game has more like 1.2 million subs and has lost upwards of 750k since release.   That means they have seen 45% loss in players since the games release. 

    Tag this...and in 2 months we'll come back to these words  I typed, because I am about to make another prediction.  I predict within 2 more months this game is going to be nearing 500k subs.

    Now that would be more fun. If it does stays 85%.

    Question is how would you end your life if it does ? How would we know if you take your own life ?

    Not that I really want you to die. I just don't think "I bet my life on it" is something should be throwing around if it won't happen when it turned out to be true. I don't know any mature people say that. Just saying.

  • CavodCavod Brookfield, WIPosts: 295Member

    Originally posted by Teala

    There is no way in hell they retained 85% of their playbase.  I'd bet mylife on that.   In fact I'd bet right - today as of now, this game has more like 1.2 million subs and has lost upwards of 750k since release.   That means they have seen 45% loss in players since the games release. 

    Tag this...and in 2 months we'll come back to these words  I typed, because I am about to make another prediction.  I predict within 2 more months this game is going to be nearing 500k subs.

    You know I could care less about how the game does or if it'd outright fail in the next week and shutdown servers. My life isn't tied to a videa game and I can't help but be sad for anyone who would tied their life to a video game.





    Of course, it's easy to toss out words and assume the 'correct' stance when you completely disregard factual numbers but hold up conjecture and assumptions as fact.  I liken it to watching a movie and yelling out 'he did it, she did it, he did it, she did it' at every character except the victim and then claiming to be correct and gloating that you had it all figured out at the end of the movie.





    Surely EA expressed the best possible figures, emphasis on the positive, downplay on the negative.  Nevertheless, those numbers are in fact factual in all stated stipulations and caveats expressed by them.  Yet some users, which coincidentally are viewed as haters by a bunch of users, would rather hang on every word of conflicting analysts and underpopulated sample sizes or undefined values.

     

    We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.

  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,212Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by I_Return

    Originally posted by zymurgeist

    Originally posted by MartinZ

    Originally posted by Dredphyre

    Originally posted by I_Return

    Originally posted by I_Return


    19.26  -0.31 (-1.56%)


     


    So much for that theory .....


    19.24 -0.33 (-1.66%) closing. SWTOR continues to drag the stock down.

    Have to quote yourself because nobody pays attention to your silly presumptions?

     

    How about EA stock soaring a few days ago ( up 6%) after the earnings report and conference call regarding SWTOR? 

    EA's stock is down 20% in the past three months. Around 10% since SWTOR was release. And back down another 1.66% today on a 11 year record high for the NASDAQ.

    EA was outperforming the NASDAQ this year until almost exactly when SWTOR was released where it suddenly dropped like mad.

    Even worse EA warned in their conference call that their revenue and profits and revenue for this coming quarter are going to be below expectations.

    Looks like EA knows this game is dying rapidly and won't be the WoW killer they spent all this money hoping to be.

     

     

     EA stock is fine, EA profits are fine, SWTOR is fine. As usuall dumb asses ran the stock up in anticipation of a new MMO launch and it corrected. It will slowly creep back up in the next few months.  It Happens Every Time. It did the same thing for Warhammer only it made a bigger swing down.

    Teala SWTOR currently has in excess or 1.7 million subscribers. It probably does not have an 85% retention rate. As usual people are confabulating numbers to mean things they don't.

    tyvm for the laugh. SWTOR is the thorn in EA stocks side . All of the other products EA published last year is what is stabalizing the slower then expected downward spiral of the current stock quotes.

     Yeah it'll probably drop like a rock the way AoC caused Funcom to go out of business in a month, no three months, no six months, no a year, Uh wait a minute....... 

    I sold my EA stock three days before launch. I might buy some back after the dilittantes are done with their panic attack. Hard to say. I don't normally hold it but Blizzard is possibly about to take a short steep slide. We shall see.

    "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  • Dren_UtogiDren_Utogi OuterSpacePosts: 1,713Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by zymurgeist

    Originally posted by I_Return


    Originally posted by zymurgeist


    Originally posted by MartinZ


    Originally posted by Dredphyre


    Originally posted by I_Return


    Originally posted by I_Return



    19.26  -0.31 (-1.56%)


     


    So much for that theory .....


    19.24 -0.33 (-1.66%) closing. SWTOR continues to drag the stock down.

    Have to quote yourself because nobody pays attention to your silly presumptions?

     

    How about EA stock soaring a few days ago ( up 6%) after the earnings report and conference call regarding SWTOR? 

    EA's stock is down 20% in the past three months. Around 10% since SWTOR was release. And back down another 1.66% today on a 11 year record high for the NASDAQ.

    EA was outperforming the NASDAQ this year until almost exactly when SWTOR was released where it suddenly dropped like mad.

    Even worse EA warned in their conference call that their revenue and profits and revenue for this coming quarter are going to be below expectations.

    Looks like EA knows this game is dying rapidly and won't be the WoW killer they spent all this money hoping to be.

     

     

     EA stock is fine, EA profits are fine, SWTOR is fine. As usuall dumb asses ran the stock up in anticipation of a new MMO launch and it corrected. It will slowly creep back up in the next few months.  It Happens Every Time. It did the same thing for Warhammer only it made a bigger swing down.

    Teala SWTOR currently has in excess or 1.7 million subscribers. It probably does not have an 85% retention rate. As usual people are confabulating numbers to mean things they don't.

    tyvm for the laugh. SWTOR is the thorn in EA stocks side . All of the other products EA published last year is what is stabalizing the slower then expected downward spiral of the current stock quotes.

     Yeah it'll probably drop like a rock the way AoC caused Funcom to go out of business in a month, no three months, no six months, no a year, Uh wait a minute....... 

    I sold my EA stock three days before launch. I might buy some back after the dilittantes are done with their panic attack. Hard to say. I don't normally hold it but Blizzard is possibly about to take a short steep slide. We shall see.

    you seem to be looking at this the wrong way. No one has said anything about a comapny going out of business. What I am looking at is the declining stock for the past three months, with a quartly report cutting the debit by 1/3  , from positive growth "outside" of SWTOR.

     

    People are trying to relay that because the stock went up 6% in one day it was a direct reflection of SWTOR success, which is simply not true. The fact is BF3 , and other games had a great sales.

     

    The factt hat SWTOR is not the WoW killer is scaring investors off , and we will see a decline in the stock over the next 3 months to 6 months until something better is released and projected to ship over 5-10million boxes.

    reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  • sanosukexsanosukex Los Angeles, CAPosts: 1,836Member

    Originally posted by I_Return

    you seem to be looking at this the wrong way. No one has said anything about a comapny going out of business. What I am looking at is the declining stock for the past three months, with a quartly report cutting the debit by 1/3  , from positive growth "outside" of SWTOR.

     

    People are trying to relay that because the stock went up 6% in one day it was a direct reflection of SWTOR success, which is simply not true. The fact is BF3 , and other games had a great sales.

     

    The factt hat SWTOR is not the WoW killer is scaring investors off , and we will see a decline in the stock over the next 3 months to 6 months until something better is released and projected to ship over 5-10million boxes.

     

    It's not worth the fight nothing you say will make them believe this game isn't declining no matter what you say.. you can just continue to watch http://www.torstatus.net/shards/us/trends and  http://www.torstatus.net/shards/us/stats ( Feb 3rd just added) and see the servers decline.. i suggest just coming back on here in a few months and play the I told you so game...

  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,212Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by I_Return

    Originally posted by zymurgeist

    Originally posted by I_Return

    Originally posted by zymurgeist

    Originally posted by MartinZ

    Originally posted by Dredphyre

    Originally posted by I_Return

    Originally posted by I_Return


    19.26  -0.31 (-1.56%)


     


    So much for that theory .....


    19.24 -0.33 (-1.66%) closing. SWTOR continues to drag the stock down.

    Have to quote yourself because nobody pays attention to your silly presumptions?

     

    How about EA stock soaring a few days ago ( up 6%) after the earnings report and conference call regarding SWTOR? 

    EA's stock is down 20% in the past three months. Around 10% since SWTOR was release. And back down another 1.66% today on a 11 year record high for the NASDAQ.

    EA was outperforming the NASDAQ this year until almost exactly when SWTOR was released where it suddenly dropped like mad.

    Even worse EA warned in their conference call that their revenue and profits and revenue for this coming quarter are going to be below expectations.

    Looks like EA knows this game is dying rapidly and won't be the WoW killer they spent all this money hoping to be.

     

     

     EA stock is fine, EA profits are fine, SWTOR is fine. As usuall dumb asses ran the stock up in anticipation of a new MMO launch and it corrected. It will slowly creep back up in the next few months.  It Happens Every Time. It did the same thing for Warhammer only it made a bigger swing down.

    Teala SWTOR currently has in excess or 1.7 million subscribers. It probably does not have an 85% retention rate. As usual people are confabulating numbers to mean things they don't.

    tyvm for the laugh. SWTOR is the thorn in EA stocks side . All of the other products EA published last year is what is stabalizing the slower then expected downward spiral of the current stock quotes.

     Yeah it'll probably drop like a rock the way AoC caused Funcom to go out of business in a month, no three months, no six months, no a year, Uh wait a minute....... 

    I sold my EA stock three days before launch. I might buy some back after the dilittantes are done with their panic attack. Hard to say. I don't normally hold it but Blizzard is possibly about to take a short steep slide. We shall see.

    you seem to be looking at this the wrong way. No one has said anything about a comapny going out of business. What I am looking at is the declining stock for the past three months, with a quartly report cutting the debit by 1/3  , from positive growth "outside" of SWTOR.

     

    People are trying to relay that because the stock went up 6% in one day it was a direct reflection of SWTOR success, which is simply not true. The fact is BF3 , and other games had a great sales.

     

    The factt hat SWTOR is not the WoW killer is scaring investors off , and we will see a decline in the stock over the next 3 months to 6 months until something better is released and projected to ship over 5-10million boxes.

     The fact that SWTOR isn't the WoW killer didn't scare anyone off. The day traders just went somewhere else to ride the next  hype bubble. 6% in one day means about as much as the drop after launch. Nothing. The AoC thing is just another example of people making predictions of catasrophe based on little or no information. And being inevitably wrong. The stock is fine, profits are fine, the game is fine. There are no large gains or losses on the horizon.

    "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  • zakiyawowzakiyawow Boston, MAPosts: 626Member Common

    Originally posted by zymurgeist

     

     The fact that SWTOR isn't the WoW killer didn't scare anyone off. The day traders just went somewhere else to ride the next  hype bubble. 6% in one day means about as much as the drop after launch. Nothing. The AoC thing is just another example of people making predictions of catasrophe based on little or no information. And being inevitably wrong. The stock is fine, profits are fine, the game is fine. There are no large gains or losses on the horizon.

    The funny thing is: EA stock dropped and SOME PEOPLE ( you know who you are ) was jumping up and down about how SWTOR is causing the stock to drop. Now the stock goes up, those SAME PEOPLE ( again, you know who you are ) now turns around and say it is not SWTOR causing it to go up....really  ?? Flip-flop much ?

     

    To Zymurgeist

    I am quoting you just because I want to continue this context. I don't think you were one those the guys I am mentioned above.

     

  • dubyahitedubyahite Lincoln, NEPosts: 2,483Member
    I have to post here because the post count is at 666 and it's freaking me out!


    I don't know (or care) much about stocks and all that.

    Can someone explain to a layman like myself how the EA stock is affected directly by SWTOR, and how everyone is so sure that the only thing causing it to drop is this game?

    Maybe I'm just dumb, but it would seem that EA is a huge company with lots of titles and that the situation is more complex than you make it seem.

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  • JayBirdzJayBirdz Clarksville, TNPosts: 1,017Member

    They can't lie to their investors like it or not. Hell they can't even really mislead their investors. It's a very grey area and it doesn't lean in a companies favor.  U.S. politicians love publicly roasting company ceo's and exe's that do such. They can't say we retained most of our subs to investors, then come to find out they only retained a little over half.  

    If the company keeps holding those subs after a few months who knows. The people who say "they lied" are just  in denial.

  • sanosukexsanosukex Los Angeles, CAPosts: 1,836Member

    Originally posted by dubyahite

    I have to post here because the post count is at 666 and it's freaking me out!





    I don't know (or care) much about stocks and all that.



    Can someone explain to a layman like myself how the EA stock is affected directly by SWTOR, and how everyone is so sure that the only thing causing it to drop is this game?



    Maybe I'm just dumb, but it would seem that EA is a huge company with lots of titles and that the situation is more complex than you make it seem.

    stocks are irrelevant.. box sales irrelevant... what peopel are claiming as the number of "active" players irrelevant. What IS relevant? how many people are actually playing the damn game when you are. How many people are around in your guild or your friends or just around period to group with to do warzones with. Whole point of playing an MMO is to play with lots of other people. For me my server was declining I was seeing less and less people week after week. The starter zones were ghost towns. It was getting more and more difficult to find groups for flashpoints. As imperial i was doing nothing but huttball over and over and over... To me all this says a million times more than any of those numbers you can throw at me.. if your server is one of the still thriving ones than good for you go any play but not all of us are so lucky to be in one of those handfull of servers that still maintain heavy at peak hours...

  • Dren_UtogiDren_Utogi OuterSpacePosts: 1,713Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by zymurgeist

    Originally posted by I_Return


    Originally posted by zymurgeist


    Originally posted by I_Return


    Originally posted by zymurgeist


    Originally posted by MartinZ


    Originally posted by Dredphyre


    Originally posted by I_Return


    Originally posted by I_Return



    19.26  -0.31 (-1.56%)


     


    So much for that theory .....


    19.24 -0.33 (-1.66%) closing. SWTOR continues to drag the stock down.

    Have to quote yourself because nobody pays attention to your silly presumptions?

     

    How about EA stock soaring a few days ago ( up 6%) after the earnings report and conference call regarding SWTOR? 

    EA's stock is down 20% in the past three months. Around 10% since SWTOR was release. And back down another 1.66% today on a 11 year record high for the NASDAQ.

    EA was outperforming the NASDAQ this year until almost exactly when SWTOR was released where it suddenly dropped like mad.

    Even worse EA warned in their conference call that their revenue and profits and revenue for this coming quarter are going to be below expectations.

    Looks like EA knows this game is dying rapidly and won't be the WoW killer they spent all this money hoping to be.

     

     

     EA stock is fine, EA profits are fine, SWTOR is fine. As usuall dumb asses ran the stock up in anticipation of a new MMO launch and it corrected. It will slowly creep back up in the next few months.  It Happens Every Time. It did the same thing for Warhammer only it made a bigger swing down.

    Teala SWTOR currently has in excess or 1.7 million subscribers. It probably does not have an 85% retention rate. As usual people are confabulating numbers to mean things they don't.

    tyvm for the laugh. SWTOR is the thorn in EA stocks side . All of the other products EA published last year is what is stabalizing the slower then expected downward spiral of the current stock quotes.

     Yeah it'll probably drop like a rock the way AoC caused Funcom to go out of business in a month, no three months, no six months, no a year, Uh wait a minute....... 

    I sold my EA stock three days before launch. I might buy some back after the dilittantes are done with their panic attack. Hard to say. I don't normally hold it but Blizzard is possibly about to take a short steep slide. We shall see.

    you seem to be looking at this the wrong way. No one has said anything about a comapny going out of business. What I am looking at is the declining stock for the past three months, with a quartly report cutting the debit by 1/3  , from positive growth "outside" of SWTOR.

     

    People are trying to relay that because the stock went up 6% in one day it was a direct reflection of SWTOR success, which is simply not true. The fact is BF3 , and other games had a great sales.

     

    The factt hat SWTOR is not the WoW killer is scaring investors off , and we will see a decline in the stock over the next 3 months to 6 months until something better is released and projected to ship over 5-10million boxes.

     The fact that SWTOR isn't the WoW killer didn't scare anyone off. The day traders just went somewhere else to ride the next  hype bubble. 6% in one day means about as much as the drop after launch. Nothing. The AoC thing is just another example of people making predictions of catasrophe based on little or no information. And being inevitably wrong. The stock is fine, profits are fine, the game is fine. There are no large gains or losses on the horizon.



    Before the earnings report :

    http://www.vg247.com/2012/01/20/ea-stock-drops-3-after-analyst-expresses-doubts-on-swtor/

    After Earnning report :

    http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120201-721135.html

     

    Lets keep this in mind. How can a 4th quarter released game... Lift 3rd quarter ?

     It is called Panic fluff .

    reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  • DredphyreDredphyre Los Angeles, CAPosts: 601Member

    Originally posted by zakiyawow

    Originally posted by zymurgeist


     

     The fact that SWTOR isn't the WoW killer didn't scare anyone off. The day traders just went somewhere else to ride the next  hype bubble. 6% in one day means about as much as the drop after launch. Nothing. The AoC thing is just another example of people making predictions of catasrophe based on little or no information. And being inevitably wrong. The stock is fine, profits are fine, the game is fine. There are no large gains or losses on the horizon.

    The funny thing is: EA stock dropped and SOME PEOPLE ( you know who you are ) was jumping up and down about how SWTOR is causing the stock to drop. Now the stock goes up, those SAME PEOPLE ( again, you know who you are ) now turns around and say it is not SWTOR causing it to go up....really  ?? Flip-flop much ?

     

    To Zymurgeist

    I am quoting you just because I want to continue this context. I don't think you were one those the guys I am mentioned above.

     

    Yep...that was my point as well...the tortured logic these haters employ to justify their negative fantasy is amusing.

  • wahchilewahchile somewhere, ILPosts: 4Member

    Originally posted by Teala

    There is no way in hell they retained 85% of their playbase.  I'd bet mylife on that.   In fact I'd bet right - today as of now, this game has more like 1.2 million subs and has lost upwards of 750k since release.   That means they have seen 45% loss in players since the games release. 

    Tag this...and in 2 months we'll come back to these words  I typed, because I am about to make another prediction.  I predict within 2 more months this game is going to be nearing 500k subs.

    see ya in 2 months.

  • rammur65rammur65 spokane, WAPosts: 57Member

    Funny how people seem to think they KNOW a game is failing because THEY dont like it lol funny either way a million subs is more than enough to keep a game floating  WoW had just set a standerd when they got lucky and a bit of info WoW didnt get its 10+ mill over night took them a few years to even touch the double digit mills.

  • KruulKruul Houston, TXPosts: 476Member

    I figured it was going to have a high retention rate. The guild I am in pushes around 40 members during primetime and all but a few are still subbed and having a blast. This game has brought us back together because after NGE many of us were playing different games.

  • sirchivesirchive Nowheresville, IDPosts: 72Member

    Every single person I know who plays SWTOR (about 8 total) subbed for the first subscription month but plans to unsubscribe before the second is billed. 

    This is purely anecdotal of course. But I think a large number of players are in the same place. We were willing to pay for one additional month past the included month in order to get to endgame or to see what was added. But now we've seen and we are not impressed. 

    There is no possible way to judge the success of a highly publicized MMO in the first 60 days. Retention rate after 60 days will be the first real sign of success or failure. 

  • lalartulalartu SeoulPosts: 444Member

    I personally see this game as a single player feature, so once I'm done with the storylines that I'm interested in, I'll unsub too.

    I might resub in 1-2 years if theres enough new content though

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  • XthosXthos Columbus, OHPosts: 2,628Member

    -1 here....Well will be 2, since the wife plays too...

     

    She still messes around with an alt, but I can't get myself to log in anymore...I swear all I do is hit bugs in the end game, broken quests...I wasn't thrilled before then, but it was more solid....Seems they really dropped the ball on Ilum.

     

    Just not my thing, but I got my money worth...Just not worth paying any longer for.

     

  • Holyavenger1Holyavenger1 Montreal, QCPosts: 440Member Uncommon

    I forsee this game having very high churn rate and low retention rate. Too much of a single player.

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  • troublmakertroublmaker St. George''s, NFPosts: 337Member

    Originally posted by sirchive

    Every single person I know who plays SWTOR (about 8 total) subbed for the first subscription month but plans to unsubscribe before the second is billed. 

    This is purely anecdotal of course. But I think a large number of players are in the same place. We were willing to pay for one additional month past the included month in order to get to endgame or to see what was added. But now we've seen and we are not impressed. 

    There is no possible way to judge the success of a highly publicized MMO in the first 60 days. Retention rate after 60 days will be the first real sign of success or failure. 

    Everyone was saying one month because that's when the free sub is up.  Now people are saying two months so that people get a chance to see end game.  I suspect that evnetually people will say "its one year the drop off is coming!"

     

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    Originally posted by troublmaker

    Originally posted by sirchive

    Every single person I know who plays SWTOR (about 8 total) subbed for the first subscription month but plans to unsubscribe before the second is billed. 

    This is purely anecdotal of course. But I think a large number of players are in the same place. We were willing to pay for one additional month past the included month in order to get to endgame or to see what was added. But now we've seen and we are not impressed. 

    There is no possible way to judge the success of a highly publicized MMO in the first 60 days. Retention rate after 60 days will be the first real sign of success or failure. 

    Everyone was saying one month because that's when the free sub is up.  Now people are saying two months so that people get a chance to see end game.  I suspect that evnetually people will say "its one year the drop off is coming!"

     

    Not entirely correct. While there are some that might have said that after 1 month the game would lose all their subs they are put into the same boat as those that thought there were already 6 million in pre-orders. Those who actually posted reasonings were fairly sound.

    The first month drop is only those that bought the game and experienced something totally different than what they were sold on OR those that rushed to endgame and ran out of content. They are not the majority so unless the game is blatantly unfinished/buggy you won't see a massive exodus in a single month. Everyone else are consuming the leveling content and since there aren't major issues with that they will resub.

    The 2nd month is when people are hitting endgame and finding the gigantic flaw with Bioware's game design, the story runs out. So a good chunk will quit the game there.

    The 3rd month is the "hope" month as people who want to love the game are still holding on to hope that the march patch will make the game awesome. Unfortunetly there is no such thing as a miracle patch and the content being introduced will hold them for  maybe 2 weeks and more will quit.

    The 6th month is when the 3 month and 6 month subs that people bought on hype alone. So while they might have stopped playing months ago their subs are finally removed from EA's numbers.

     

    Do you understand the logic of the 3-6 month estimate now? It isn't just people "Maybe next month they will go under!".

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