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  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member

    Originally posted by DannyGlover

     




    Originally posted by BilboDoggins

    The problem with the April-July timeframe is that this will almost certainly put TSW into direct compeition with GW2 (suspected June release) and possibly even Diablo 3. Both of these games will likely suck any kind of momentum out of TSW and if the game isnt ready and Funcom releases it TSW is basically DOA.



     

    I think The Secret World and Guild Wars 2 are complimentary MMOs. They seem very different from each other in terms of setting, combat, graphics, and story. I don't think one would really affect the other in terms of demographic overlap.

    There are people that have made up their minds to play one or the other, and there are people that have made up their minds to play neither or both. They could release on the same day and that wont change.

    The potential customers that are on the fence will make their decisions based on impulse which is usually graphics and setting which GW2 and TSW are worlds apart.

    edit: added the quote I was replying to.

    I disagree they are both themeparks that are not wow clones, which puts them in a group of two

    They also have simiilar half way between traditional mmo and more action orientated game combat

    They also have 3 faction persistent PVP

  • UnshraUnshra Hanover, MDPosts: 382Member

    "When should Funcom release TSW?"

    How about when it's ready and not when budget demands that it's ready.

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  • AndraxxAndraxx Toronto, ONPosts: 234Member Uncommon

    I picked August-September. It's getting too close to April with little news for that date to realistically hold. I'm sure every single employee at Funcom is painfully aware of their reputation for early releases and would rather not three-peat on that dubious honor.

    If they turn around and say "hey, we need to hold off on that April release date for a few more months to get everything right", I can't imagine any serious backlash from the playerbase, who would much rather have a playabe fun game from the get-go.

    Also ... Ragnar Tornquist. I somehow doubt he'll let TSW out into the world before he thinks it's golden.

     

     

  • DannyGloverDannyGlover Portland, ORPosts: 1,277Member


    Originally posted by ShakyMo

    Originally posted by DannyGlover
     


    Originally posted by BilboDoggins
    The problem with the April-July timeframe is that this will almost certainly put TSW into direct compeition with GW2 (suspected June release) and possibly even Diablo 3. Both of these games will likely suck any kind of momentum out of TSW and if the game isnt ready and Funcom releases it TSW is basically DOA.

     
    I think The Secret World and Guild Wars 2 are complimentary MMOs. They seem very different from each other in terms of setting, combat, graphics, and story. I don't think one would really affect the other in terms of demographic overlap.
    There are people that have made up their minds to play one or the other, and there are people that have made up their minds to play neither or both. They could release on the same day and that wont change.
    The potential customers that are on the fence will make their decisions based on impulse which is usually graphics and setting which GW2 and TSW are worlds apart.
    edit: added the quote I was replying to.


    I disagree they are both themeparks that are not wow clones, which puts them in a group of two
    They also have simiilar half way between traditional mmo and more action orientated game combat
    They also have 3 faction persistent PVP


    True but you cant ignore the fact that GW2 is a high fantasy action mmo with esport pvp and levels while TSW is a modern day deck based mmo with no levels. For those of us that love the genre, we will be getting both. For those that will pick just one, the demographics seem to be quite varied.

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  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member

    Originally posted by DannyGlover

     




    Originally posted by ShakyMo





    Originally posted by DannyGlover

     








    Originally posted by BilboDoggins

    The problem with the April-July timeframe is that this will almost certainly put TSW into direct compeition with GW2 (suspected June release) and possibly even Diablo 3. Both of these games will likely suck any kind of momentum out of TSW and if the game isnt ready and Funcom releases it TSW is basically DOA.








     

    I think The Secret World and Guild Wars 2 are complimentary MMOs. They seem very different from each other in terms of setting, combat, graphics, and story. I don't think one would really affect the other in terms of demographic overlap.

    There are people that have made up their minds to play one or the other, and there are people that have made up their minds to play neither or both. They could release on the same day and that wont change.

    The potential customers that are on the fence will make their decisions based on impulse which is usually graphics and setting which GW2 and TSW are worlds apart.

    edit: added the quote I was replying to.






    I disagree they are both themeparks that are not wow clones, which puts them in a group of two

    They also have simiilar half way between traditional mmo and more action orientated game combat

    They also have 3 faction persistent PVP






    True but you cant ignore the fact that GW2 is a high fantasy action mmo with esport pvp and levels while TSW is a modern day deck based mmo with no levels. For those of us that love the genre, we will be getting both. For those that will pick just one, the demographics seem to be quite varied.

     

    I don't think the fantasy thing is that importantant.

    I can see a GW2 fan liking the concept of TSW more than they like say the concept of RIFT, because the "not wow" thing is a stronger pull to GW2 than the fantasy setting.

    both have action like combat.

    TSW has a ranked arena, but wont be full on e"sport" a good thing imo.  GW2 calles the WvWvW "casual PVP", TSW calls the warzones "endgame PVP"

  • DannyGloverDannyGlover Portland, ORPosts: 1,277Member


    Originally posted by ShakyMo
    I don't think the fantasy thing is that importantant.
    I can see a GW2 fan liking the concept of TSW more than they like say the concept of RIFT, because the "not wow" thing is a stronger pull to GW2 than the fantasy setting.

    I'm interested in why you think that. I know a few people that are attracted to TSW because of the non fantasy setting primarily. I tend to agree. If you make an MMO that is not high fantasy, you are in the minority. People are interested in your game just because its not the norm in that regard.

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  • ariestearieste toronto, ONPosts: 3,308Member Common

    April.  Most TOR players will be done with that game and ready for something new, so it's good time from a marketing perspective.

     

    From a development perspective, later is always better.. but well know that releases are driven by marketing and not development :)

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  • Sora2810Sora2810 New Columbia, PAPosts: 567Member

    How about april.

    Like they said.

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  • AdamTMAdamTM Frankfurt Am MainPosts: 1,376Member

    When its done.

    I'd rather they delay it and put everything in that needs to be there and do a proper bug-hunt.

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  • DaSpackDaSpack BrightonPosts: 583Member

    April. EA just started a few days back advertising for TSW with launch date April under coming-soon section.

    http://www.ea.com/coming-soon

     

    I guess exact date comes later.

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  • jdnewelljdnewell Spring Hill, TNPosts: 2,150Member Uncommon

    When its ready.

    I wish Funcom would adopt this like ArenaNet & others have. The EA overlords probably have other ideas.

  • Mari2kMari2k rzhz, MNPosts: 371Member

    1. april 2012 like they allready anounced ?

  • MMOGamer71MMOGamer71 Pittsburgh, PAPosts: 1,930Member Uncommon

    When it's ready

  • Unknown23Unknown23 GothenburgPosts: 47Member

    when it's done.

    or how about april 16, my birthday.

  • fenistilfenistil GliwicePosts: 3,005Member

    Originally posted by Mari2k

    1. april 2012 like they allready anounced ?

    Imho releasing it on 1st of April any game has huge potential to backfire :p

  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöPosts: 18,023Member Uncommon

    I would go for september-october.

    FunCom released AoC way too early and same thing with AO, let´s get it right the third time. 

    I remember when we begged them to wait a few months with AoC but they were just saying that a magical patch would fix all the problems. I think AoC would have had a lot more players if they just would have waited a while, they can´t afford to do the same misstake this time.

    Third time is after all a charm...

  • ShakyMoShakyMo BradfordPosts: 7,207Member

    Originally posted by DannyGlover

     




    Originally posted by BilboDoggins





    Originally posted by DannyGlover

     








    Originally posted by BilboDoggins

    The problem with the April-July timeframe is that this will almost certainly put TSW into direct compeition with GW2 (suspected June release) and possibly even Diablo 3. Both of these games will likely suck any kind of momentum out of TSW and if the game isnt ready and Funcom releases it TSW is basically DOA.








     

    I think The Secret World and Guild Wars 2 are complimentary MMOs. They seem very different from each other in terms of setting, combat, graphics, and story. I don't think one would really affect the other in terms of demographic overlap.

    There are people that have made up their minds to play one or the other, and there are people that have made up their minds to play neither or both. They could release on the same day and that wont change.

    The potential customers that are on the fence will make their decisions based on impulse which is usually graphics and setting which GW2 and TSW are worlds apart.

    edit: added the quote I was replying to.






    While its true GW2 and TSW are 2 pretty distinct and different MMO's they are still both MMO's and releasing around the same time as GW2 is a much bigger problem for TSW than if GW2 released around them. If this was something like Planetside 2 and TSW I think you would have a stronger point because those games are almost different genre's really.

     

    GW2 may not have sub fees like TSW but both will cost the initial box fee which is another problem. (in this case it would be best for TSW to release early though or a good 3+ months after so people are more willing to spend that initial cost). Release them to close together and MANY gamers will have to choose which game to purchase and I can assure you TSW will come out on the losing end of that decision for the majority of people.




     

    You're assuming that GW2 is a better game than TSW regardless of all the differences in design and approach. That is a grey area since the "better" game is 100% pure personal preference. For all we know, GW2 could be the ones that suffer if they release too close to TSW's release. I know thats blasphemy around here, but its true :)

    It doesn't have to be better - its B2P, it only has to be like 75% as good as TSW to beat TSW if they release at same time.  However I still think GW2 will be Q3 or Q4 release, what with it starting closed beta around October / November

  • gaeanprayergaeanprayer Somewhere Out There, PAPosts: 2,320Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by ShakyMo

    Originally posted by DannyGlover

     




    Originally posted by BilboDoggins






    Originally posted by DannyGlover

     








    Originally posted by BilboDoggins

    The problem with the April-July timeframe is that this will almost certainly put TSW into direct compeition with GW2 (suspected June release) and possibly even Diablo 3. Both of these games will likely suck any kind of momentum out of TSW and if the game isnt ready and Funcom releases it TSW is basically DOA.








     

    I think The Secret World and Guild Wars 2 are complimentary MMOs. They seem very different from each other in terms of setting, combat, graphics, and story. I don't think one would really affect the other in terms of demographic overlap.

    There are people that have made up their minds to play one or the other, and there are people that have made up their minds to play neither or both. They could release on the same day and that wont change.

    The potential customers that are on the fence will make their decisions based on impulse which is usually graphics and setting which GW2 and TSW are worlds apart.

    edit: added the quote I was replying to.







    While its true GW2 and TSW are 2 pretty distinct and different MMO's they are still both MMO's and releasing around the same time as GW2 is a much bigger problem for TSW than if GW2 released around them. If this was something like Planetside 2 and TSW I think you would have a stronger point because those games are almost different genre's really.

     

    GW2 may not have sub fees like TSW but both will cost the initial box fee which is another problem. (in this case it would be best for TSW to release early though or a good 3+ months after so people are more willing to spend that initial cost). Release them to close together and MANY gamers will have to choose which game to purchase and I can assure you TSW will come out on the losing end of that decision for the majority of people.





     

    You're assuming that GW2 is a better game than TSW regardless of all the differences in design and approach. That is a grey area since the "better" game is 100% pure personal preference. For all we know, GW2 could be the ones that suffer if they release too close to TSW's release. I know thats blasphemy around here, but its true :)

    It doesn't have to be better - its B2P, it only has to be like 75% as good as TSW to beat TSW if they release at same time.  However I still think GW2 will be Q3 or Q4 release, what with it starting closed beta around October / November

    He's got a point. I'm pretty confident GW2 is going to be great, but even if it isn't it won't matter due to the nature of the payment model. People aren't as wary of dropping the box price of something if they aren't paying monthly for it. For instance, as much as I enjoyed the GW1 games, they're not even in my top 10 of favorite MMOs, let alone favorite games. But I still bought the game, and every expansion, because I knew once I owned it I could play it whenever I like without having to sub. That alone was enough to get me to play, and then I met people, made friends, joined a guild, etc., and ended up staying and playing through content I didn't even like just because I'd become part of a community (I'm refering to the PvP, which I hate and still took part in).

    HOWEVER! There's a second part to this; because GW1 was B2P, i also had no problems playing it ~along side a sub fee game~. So in the end, the success of other p2p games really had nothing to do with the success of Guild Wars, at least for me. Whether I was subbing to them or not was directly a result of the game itself, and whether I thought it was worthwhile, regardless of how I felt about GW1.

    I really don't think developers or players should worry about whether or not GW2 will impact their MMO of choice, or be better. If the game is good enough, the people will come, and I honestly don't see GW2 having an impact on that. At least, not in the long run.

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  • DeaconXDeaconX Toronto, ONPosts: 3,067Member

    Originally posted by jdlamson75

    A Halloweeny release would be fitting, given the "dark" feel to TSW.  I'd prefer it to come out a bit sooner, but October gets my vote.

    If they can hold off financially, they can use that time to ensure content is ready and use Halloween to their advantage.

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  • jdlamson75jdlamson75 Jacksonville, FLPosts: 985Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by DeaconX

    Originally posted by jdlamson75

    A Halloweeny release would be fitting, given the "dark" feel to TSW.  I'd prefer it to come out a bit sooner, but October gets my vote.

    If they can hold off financially, they can use that time to ensure content is ready and use Halloween to their advantage.

    Agreed on that.  Again, I'd like to see it come out sooner, but I'm with the "Release it when it's 100% ready" crowd here also.  Too many games have been released with missing pieces, and gamers don't like missing pieces.  Unless, of course, those missing pieces a dwarf females.  Cause really, who likes looking at dwarf females?

  • DeltaFrc670DeltaFrc670 Temecula, CAPosts: 71Member

    They should release it when it plays well and has a tremendous amount of depth to it.

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  • gamesrfungamesrfun Red Deer, ABPosts: 127Member

    They cannot wait until September or October to release this.

    It will be a summer release, as they do not have the money to do otherwise.

     

     

  • albaficassalbaficass thessalonikiPosts: 101Member

    Originally posted by DannyGlover

     




    Originally posted by BilboDoggins

    The problem with the April-July timeframe is that this will almost certainly put TSW into direct compeition with GW2 (suspected June release) and possibly even Diablo 3. Both of these games will likely suck any kind of momentum out of TSW and if the game isnt ready and Funcom releases it TSW is basically DOA.



     

    . They seem very different from each other in terms of setting, COMBAT, GRAPHICS, and story. I don't think one would really affect the other in terms of demographic overlap.

    Can you explain how this "combat" of TSW and GW2 are sooooooooooo different and "awesome"?

    both games are still tab lock target.........nothing new and btw i played both betas and im still in the TSW beta.

    IF u want true combat and graphics in the mmo  TERA  have those...now thats an mmo wich u can clearly talk about fresh air COMBAT in the mmo genre....TSW and gw2 brings NOTHING new in that area

  • AmjocoAmjoco Layton, UTPosts: 4,781Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by albaficass

    Originally posted by DannyGlover

     




    Originally posted by BilboDoggins

    The problem with the April-July timeframe is that this will almost certainly put TSW into direct compeition with GW2 (suspected June release) and possibly even Diablo 3. Both of these games will likely suck any kind of momentum out of TSW and if the game isnt ready and Funcom releases it TSW is basically DOA.



     

    . They seem very different from each other in terms of setting, COMBAT, GRAPHICS, and story. I don't think one would really affect the other in terms of demographic overlap.

    Can you explain how this "combat" of TSW and GW2 are sooooooooooo different and "awesome"?

    both games are still tab lock target.........nothing new and btw i played both betas and im still in the TSW beta.

    IF u want true combat and graphics in the mmo  TERA  have those...now thats an mmo wich u can clearly talk about fresh air COMBAT in the mmo genre....TSW and gw2 brings NOTHING new in that area

    Tera is so linear for me. I don't mind tab to lock a target...I don't see any problem with that. If I was to fight someone in real life I would pick him (I don't come with a tab) and hit him. Tera just reminded me of Aion for some reason. To each their own! :)

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