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I think Blizzard just handed it to StarWars TOR on a plate .

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  • melton80melton80 staunton, ILPosts: 54Member

     You know how many times i have seen this exact same title for a post, too many and they have all been wrong, the reason WoW is so popular is cause it is easy so their playerbase is like 5-80 year olds and the graphic requirement to play WoW isn't big, i got a 7 year old nephew that plays WoW end-game with a couple of his friends and he plays on a 6 year old computer with no lag or problems. I raided end-game WoW for years and with the right add-ons and 2 macros i could watch TV and raid at the same time and still be top 3 dps. I have played SWTOR and other then being an awesome theme for a game, it is nothing new, so i doubt it will be anything special except to Star Wars fanboys.

  • stayontargetstayontarget Tacoma, WAPosts: 6,068Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

    Originally posted by Azaria

    It's already starting to fade out of sight, after a week its user base is right there with EvE online so far a 50% drop since the holidays.  Unless they release some groundbreaking expansion or content patch in say, two weeks time, TOR is well on its way to a 300k player base or going FTP.

    I would like to see where you got these numbers perhaps you would like to post a link because if you cant it makes you look a bit of an idiot doesn't it ?

    A lot of the wow players locked in for a year sub in order to get D3 for free.  It does not matter if they stopped playing wow in order to play another game.   The sub is still running and wow will still be there when they get bored of tor.  In short Blizz has all the time in the world to bring the players back into the fold.

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  • KingPinoyKingPinoy Concord, CAPosts: 55Member

    Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

    Originally posted by Teh_Axi


    Originally posted by OkhamsRazor

    Most people playing it seem to love it so if thats the case then they wont be going anywhere soon . 

    No they dont, a large portion of people think its medicore or worse. Man even people I know that thought it was ok aren't going to bother getting it. The sub drop off at the beginning of next year is going to be huge.

    TOR will be lucky to retain over a million players at this point.

     A large portion of people said that about WoW and continue to do so . It doesn't stop people playing it . Also people said exactly the same thing about WoW seven years ago as your saying about TOR now . If you don't believe me I suggest you look at the oldest threads in these forums and you will see the same exact comments your making now were made back then . Hard to say what it will have in 12 months from now because a lot depends on the patches and updates Bioware put into it .

    You have to bare in mind Amazon had to issue a statement about ToR and when they would be sending out the game because order numbers have been so high ( think this is the first time in its history its had to do that ) . Ques at shops for this game apparently are massive today so much so its actually been made a news item on the bbc news in the UK and has made the national press .( maybe its a slow news day lol )

    I'll stick my neck out and say if the endgame is there 2-5 million players will leave WoW for ToR in the first six months and even though some of them will return to WoW for MoP it will not be enough to return WoW to anything like the numbers it has seen in the past . I also agree that WoW will continue on top of this to hemorage subs on a monthly basis .

    After reading this it reminded me of the wii, when it came out no one had it, stores were out of stock, worth loads of money on sites you can sel sht on, but now compared to everything else, it sucks dck. Not taking sides just had to bring this up.

  • OkhamsRazorOkhamsRazor londonPosts: 1,047Member

    When I started this thread ( in the StarWars TOR forums later moved by a mod to the WoW forums ) StarWars seemed a game with a lot of potential . I've left it a month before commenting on its content as to give it a fair try .

    In my original post I said "if its polished and fun" . Well not exactly polished but its better than most mmos at launch and apart from the rpg aspects its very generic . The game world feels very static  . The two opposing factions don't meet in the open world early on enough .so pvp even on a pvp server is pretty much non existant .  Questing is as easy if not easier than WoW because of the companions .

    And the one thing that could have made ToR stand out the space combat is nothing more than an arcade style game which would have looked dated in the early 1990s . So bad its a joke .

    Bioware had thier chance and failed to deliver  . I still think Pandas will not do a lot for Blizzards subs in the coming year but they have nothing to fear from ToR . How a company can spend 80+ million and miss the point totally suggests unbelievable  arrogance by the developers at Bioware think they could rest on thier laurels because of the StarWars franchise .

    In short I think Bioware made a mmo with many of the faults of Warcraft without any of its charm and totally messed up the one thing that could have made a StarsWars mmo truely fun and interesting a mixture of generic mmo gameplay, mixed with what Bioware does best storytelling  and space combat .

    I don't expect to see another Bioware mmo anytime soon after this debacle . They will need to focus on what they do well . Single player rpgs to recoupe thier loses .

    Quite frankly thank god for Rift . The only mmo with truely customisable classes . Interesting pvp and a modicum of challenge in it .

    lets hope Guild Wars 2 delivers because theres very little left on the horizon mmo wise that has a lot of potential . Secret World sounds interesting but its funcon and after AoC I have very little faith in that company and Tera is korean and most likly will be a grinder .

    The mmo genre has truely got itself into a hole and its going to take a while before it gets out of it .

  • DarthAttikusDarthAttikus new york, NYPosts: 6Member

    Wow is on such a declice it's NOT even funny anymore! Blizzard is trying to force players to come back to play by threating them with guild rights. I have contacted blizzard on the issue and they basically told me that I am S.O.L and transferred my GM position to some low level character that logs on once in a great while! They said since that person logs on once in a while Blizzard had to think about the guild progression and this is what one of the reps wrote to me "Thank you for contacting us 'name".



    I do appologize for any confusion, and I will try to clarify the situation further for you.



    When a guild leader remains absent for an extended period of time, it can be difficult for the remaining members to proceed normally with guild activities. With the growth and prosperity of the guild in mind, patch 4.3 introduced a new feature in which active members of a guild are able to request promotion when their guild leader has become inactive. As your character has gone more than 30 days without logging into World of Warcraft, it is considered inactive.



    When this happens, the game will automatically notify members of the highest rank who have been online within the past week. If none have been online, then the next highest rank will be notified, and so on. In this way, guild leadership will be transferred to the highest-ranked active member of the guild.



    The goal of this is simply to allow guilds lacking a present leader to resolve the situation without needing to contact our In-Game Support department. We hope you understand that this change was made in response to player concerns, and is intended to assure the prosperity of the guild.



    More information on this change is available at http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/guild-dethrone-faq.



    Thank you for contacting us. We hope you continue to enjoy your experiences in World of Warcraft.

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    Blizzard Entertainment

    www.blizzard.com/support

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    So basically they are forcing people to come back to get your stuff otherwise it's gone to another player!

    I used their 7 day come back thing to see what was going on, and it was hard to even get a group going for heroics. It's the same old routine the things that you need really doesn't drop until you are on a different toon, no matter how may times a day you set yourself to do random specific cata dungeons still no stupid drops for you. As far as the "Wow killer" goes Swtor is going to put wow out of its misery because the game play and the hype is just like when wow was first released and to be honest I rather play Swtor now then wow and I have played wow since its release. BTW I have an extra copy of wow cata collector's edition if anyone is interested in buying! send me a private message.

     

  • SiderasSideras HelsingborgPosts: 231Member

    There really isn't much blizzard can do, they are just trying to hold on to as many customers as possible. I've had a lot of people pre-ordering the game most of them don't want to move on. And they are all hyped up for the expansion.

    Why move to SWToR when WoW has everything SWToR has and more? The only difference is story and companions and ofc a change of scenery.

  • DarthAttikusDarthAttikus new york, NYPosts: 6Member

    Originally posted by Sideras

    There really isn't much blizzard can do, they are just trying to hold on to as many customers as possible. I've had a lot of people pre-ordering the game most of them don't want to move on. And they are all hyped up for the expansion.

    Why move to SWToR when WoW has everything SWToR has and more? The only difference is story and companions and ofc a change of scenery.


    Are you kidding me? The only thing wow has established  are maps. However, nobody wants to play the old content any more thus in order for Blizzard to keep their subscribers entertained is by trying to create new expansions and force players to play! Hence, why the tougher rules now, which by the way they also took out scroll of resurrection! So, basically if you want to play you have to subscribe from now on! I am telling you Blizzard is hurting more than they show! At this rate they are not going to be able to keep player no matter how many "legendary" items they are willing to give. Moreover, with Swtor you have your mounts, your companions that do stuff for you, and your own starship!!!! With wow all you have is bunch of mounts and little companions that do squat! So, overall this is one battle Blizzard is going to lose no matter what. Players like myself are tired of playing with the same mechanics, and routine story line. Wow is just old and it’s on its last breath just like “Everquest” was. I just hope that it’ll be soon and painless. Not to mention Swtor is a new game so their expansions will be anticipated rather than frowned upon like world of warcrafts in my opinion. Not to mention I don't see anyone complaining about drop rate in Swtor.

  • Teh_AxiTeh_Axi HalifaxPosts: 380Member

    Originally posted by DarthAttikus

    I have contacted blizzard on the issue and they basically told me that I am S.O.L and transferred my GM position to some low level character that logs on once in a great while! 

    If thats true then your guild was 100% garbage, you could probs spam invite a better one in a day.

  • AutemOxAutemOx Fullerton, CAPosts: 1,704Member

    The majority will go back to WoW, their daddy, once they get bored with the new thang.  Don't worry kids.

    (Btw, they both are terrible games)

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  • DarthAttikusDarthAttikus new york, NYPosts: 6Member

    Originally posted by Teh_Axi

    Originally posted by DarthAttikus

    I have contacted blizzard on the issue and they basically told me that I am S.O.L and transferred my GM position to some low level character that logs on once in a great while! 

    If thats true then your guild was 100% garbage, you could probs spam invite a better one in a day.

    I am assuming you didn't read the whole thing otherwise you are just stupid and you just wanted to make a dumb comment. In any case, the guild was created for bank purposes and then went into hibernation since the transfer over to swtor! And I created the guild with spamming low level toons thus the size! However, you are "that guy" and just want to make a comment appearantly. Don't reply back unless you have something intelligent to say.

  • SlampigSlampig Chantilly, VAPosts: 2,376Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by DarthAttikus

    Originally posted by Sideras

    There really isn't much blizzard can do, they are just trying to hold on to as many customers as possible. I've had a lot of people pre-ordering the game most of them don't want to move on. And they are all hyped up for the expansion.

    Why move to SWToR when WoW has everything SWToR has and more? The only difference is story and companions and ofc a change of scenery.


    Are you kidding me? The only thing wow has established  are maps. However, nobody wants to play the old content any more thus in order for Blizzard to keep their subscribers entertained is by trying to create new expansions and force players to play! Hence, why the tougher rules now, which by the way they also took out scroll of resurrection! So, basically if you want to play you have to subscribe from now on! I am telling you Blizzard is hurting more than they show! At this rate they are not going to be able to keep player no matter how many "legendary" items they are willing to give. Moreover, with Swtor you have your mounts, your companions that do stuff for you, and your own starship!!!! With wow all you have is bunch of mounts and little companions that do squat! So, overall this is one battle Blizzard is going to lose no matter what. Players like myself are tired of playing with the same mechanics, and routine story line. Wow is just old and it’s on its last breath just like “Everquest” was. I just hope that it’ll be soon and painless. Not to mention Swtor is a new game so their expansions will be anticipated rather than frowned upon like world of warcrafts in my opinion. Not to mention I don't see anyone complaining about drop rate in Swtor.

    So how does this work? Do they use a gun? Fluffy pillows? A chinchilla!?!

    And why complain about the guild thing, if you are not even playing then what is the big deal? I don't understand.

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  • DarthAttikusDarthAttikus new york, NYPosts: 6Member

    Originally posted by Slampig

    Originally posted by DarthAttikus


    Originally posted by Sideras

    There really isn't much blizzard can do, they are just trying to hold on to as many customers as possible. I've had a lot of people pre-ordering the game most of them don't want to move on. And they are all hyped up for the expansion.

    Why move to SWToR when WoW has everything SWToR has and more? The only difference is story and companions and ofc a change of scenery.


    Are you kidding me? The only thing wow has established  are maps. However, nobody wants to play the old content any more thus in order for Blizzard to keep their subscribers entertained is by trying to create new expansions and force players to play! Hence, why the tougher rules now, which by the way they also took out scroll of resurrection! So, basically if you want to play you have to subscribe from now on! I am telling you Blizzard is hurting more than they show! At this rate they are not going to be able to keep player no matter how many "legendary" items they are willing to give. Moreover, with Swtor you have your mounts, your companions that do stuff for you, and your own starship!!!! With wow all you have is bunch of mounts and little companions that do squat! So, overall this is one battle Blizzard is going to lose no matter what. Players like myself are tired of playing with the same mechanics, and routine story line. Wow is just old and it’s on its last breath just like “Everquest” was. I just hope that it’ll be soon and painless. Not to mention Swtor is a new game so their expansions will be anticipated rather than frowned upon like world of warcrafts in my opinion. Not to mention I don't see anyone complaining about drop rate in Swtor.

    So how does this work? Do they use a gun? Fluffy pillows? A chinchilla!?!

    And why complain about the guild thing, if you are not even playing then what is the big deal? I don't understand.

    Trying to sell the account hence why I need everything out of the guild bank (which is mine) and we are having fun with female NEs' for entertainment they like watching my lightsaber grow. 

  • TortanicTortanic Goodsprings, NVPosts: 85Member

    Hey I know of a great way to entice players!


    How about UNfucking the talent trees?

    How about NOT tuning everything so my grandmother can play through it?


    Groundhog Day 5man running via WOTLK,, let alone TBC or Vanilla were more enjoyable than Cataclysm. You cut too much content before it jumps out the door, that's what you get. A glorified vanilla content patch with some mediocre themepark quest lines for the ultra-casual masses.


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  • itgrowlsitgrowls newport news, VAPosts: 2,951Member

    while it is true that blizzard's next expansion is a year away and it's going to be just as boring i think we can now see that TOR didn't really get the mass exodus they were expecting simply because it's the same old boring combat and end-game model everyone's seen in WoW for 7 years now and in other games before that....combine this with serious problems in TOR and mismanagment and i think many people will be looking for the next big next gen mmo. three guesses what that will be hehe two words with a 2 at the end. :)

  • gaeanprayergaeanprayer Somewhere Out There, PAPosts: 2,320Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Tortanic

    Hey I know of a great way to entice players!



    How about UNfucking the talent trees?

    How about NOT tuning everything so my grandmother can play through it?



    Groundhog Day 5man running via WOTLK,, let alone TBC or Vanilla were more enjoyable than Cataclysm. You cut too much content before it jumps out the door, that's what you get. A glorified vanilla content patch with some mediocre themepark quest lines for the ultra-casual masses.



    P.S

    Panda/Chinese culture has about as much place in WOW as a gaggle of Thai lady-boy hookers living in a nunnery.

    This needs to be an anime.

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  • TortanicTortanic Goodsprings, NVPosts: 85Member

    That's kind of what I had in mind...

    >.>


    <.<

  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöPosts: 17,940Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by itgrowls

    while it is true that blizzard's next expansion is a year away and it's going to be just as boring i think we can now see that TOR didn't really get the mass exodus they were expecting simply because it's the same old boring combat and end-game model everyone's seen in WoW for 7 years now and in other games before that....combine this with serious problems in TOR and mismanagment and i think many people will be looking for the next big next gen mmo. three guesses what that will be hehe two words with a 2 at the end. :)

    Probably but don't be too sure just yet.

    Trion actually succeded pretty good running a game like Rift and getting back a lot more than the development cost by supporting the released game. 

    If Bioware work really hard supporting their game they still can turn things around. After all was Wows endgame when it launched even worse than TORs and patched in later.

    And if not, well GW2, Titan and Class 4 will probably clean up the mess.

  • HoplitesHoplites SpartaPosts: 463Member

    Originally posted by itgrowls

    while it is true that blizzard's next expansion is a year away and it's going to be just as boring i think we can now see that TOR didn't really get the mass exodus they were expecting simply because it's the same old boring combat and end-game model everyone's seen in WoW for 7 years now and in other games before that....combine this with serious problems in TOR and mismanagment and i think many people will be looking for the next big next gen mmo. three guesses what that will be hehe two words with a 2 at the end. :)

    Q1 results will tell us a lot as to what has happened.

  • IcewhiteIcewhite Elmhurst, ILPosts: 6,403Member

    Originally posted by Loke666

    and Class 4 will probably clean up the mess.

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  • Teh_AxiTeh_Axi HalifaxPosts: 380Member

    Originally posted by DarthAttikus

    I am assuming you didn't read the whole thing . .

    Of course I didn't, who would waste their time reading about some random guys fail "bank" guild getting passed onto a low level alt. It's no doubt full of bandages and crafting recipes no one wants anyway. Plus that defense is terrible at any rate because you could just make an alt for bank space.

    I hope that low level GM is a Gnome.

  • DarthAttikusDarthAttikus new york, NYPosts: 6Member

    Originally posted by Loke666

    Originally posted by itgrowls

    while it is true that blizzard's next expansion is a year away and it's going to be just as boring i think we can now see that TOR didn't really get the mass exodus they were expecting simply because it's the same old boring combat and end-game model everyone's seen in WoW for 7 years now and in other games before that....combine this with serious problems in TOR and mismanagment and i think many people will be looking for the next big next gen mmo. three guesses what that will be hehe two words with a 2 at the end. :)

    Probably but don't be too sure just yet.

    Trion actually succeded pretty good running a game like Rift and getting back a lot more than the development cost by supporting the released game. 

    If Bioware work really hard supporting their game they still can turn things around. After all was Wows endgame when it launched even worse than TORs and patched in later.

    And if not, well GW2, Titan and Class 4 will probably clean up the mess.

    Actually Bioware listens to the community a lot, and they are making new zones for pvp there are couple of videos on their website in regards to this. I don't know how long you've been playing wow for but if you remember when wow was first released they had to do a lot of things different and expand the game, this is what TOR is going through at the moment. I don't work for the company I am simply stating facts, and like I mentioned before I've played wow since it's release but the game is NOT fun anymore and with star wars 3D coming back on the big screen it will boots sales of TOR in my opinion. Also, if they keep uo with the community requests they will suceed. I've never played "Rift" so I can't really comment on that but there have been times my friends and I looked to move on to a better mmo since the game play and the story lines became so tiresome.

  • DarthAttikusDarthAttikus new york, NYPosts: 6Member

    Originally posted by Teh_Axi

    Originally posted by DarthAttikus

    I am assuming you didn't read the whole thing . .

    Of course I didn't, who would waste their time reading about some random guys fail "bank" guild getting passed onto a low level alt. It's no doubt full of bandages and crafting recipes no one wants anyway. Plus that defense is terrible at any rate because you could just make an alt for bank space.

    I hope that low level GM is a Gnome.

    you are an idiot and you just post just to say something! however, I think you might get more response with your stupid comments in trade chat, trolling! Now stfu, and gtfo here.

  • TheodwulfTheodwulf Brockton, MAPosts: 231Member Uncommon

      You have it reveresed ... TOR should have crushed WoW, should have curbed stomped them for YEARS of jumping the shark but NNNnnnOOoooooooo.....

     

      EA/BW could F-UP a free lunch!!!  You Have Star Wars, you have Money , you have manpowerr, you are an industry heavyweight!!! and they BLEW IT!!

     

     Blizzard.. the WoW world is Old and tired, held together with bubblegum and bailing wire..One good hit and WoW collapses..People want something new and different.

     

      And Now 40k is vapourware....Dear God...why ... it's like Hell only not so hot...Abandon all hope ye who enter here

  • DeeweDeewe Long Beach, CAPosts: 1,965Member

    Originally posted by Loke666

    Originally posted by itgrowls

    while it is true that blizzard's next expansion is a year away and it's going to be just as boring i think we can now see that TOR didn't really get the mass exodus they were expecting simply because it's the same old boring combat and end-game model everyone's seen in WoW for 7 years now and in other games before that....combine this with serious problems in TOR and mismanagment and i think many people will be looking for the next big next gen mmo. three guesses what that will be hehe two words with a 2 at the end. :)

    Probably but don't be too sure just yet.

    Trion actually succeded pretty good running a game like Rift and getting back a lot more than the development cost by supporting the released game. 

    If Bioware work really hard supporting their game they still can turn things around. After all was Wows endgame when it launched even worse than TORs and patched in later.

    And if not, well GW2, Titan and Class 4 will probably clean up the mess.

    Totally agree with you Loke666, still contrary to Trion, until proven otherwise, BioWare seems mostly clueless for now.

    IMHO the games need either a new PR/Marketing guru or a producer that knows what works and what doesn't.

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