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General: Why I'm Freaking Out Over SOPA/PIPA

SBFordSBFord Associate Editor - News ManagerThe Land of AZPosts: 16,649MMORPG.COM Staff Uncommon

In today's Developer Perspectives, we take a look at SOPA/PIPA, two pieces of legislation currently active in the United States Congress. We get a unique peek at why this is so alarming to those who make the games we love. Read on!

On Wednesday, I said on Twitter: "Forums are too dangerous for indie games/individuals to operate if SOPA/PIPA passes." I said that from the perspective of a developer, and a couple people rightly called me out on that. I might as well use a column called "Developer Perspectives" to explain.

Read more of Sanya Weathers' Developer Perspectives: Why I'm Freaking Out Over SOPA/PIPA.

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  • 77lolmac7777lolmac77 Herp Derp, PAPosts: 496Member

    My main beef with SOPA is that they think it's really going to stop the main culprits of pirating. Anyone who knows how to pirate already, should know how to work around sopa (key word: DNS) and it won't stop internet piracy. However, it will give the govt free range to pick and choose what they want on the net, which is NOT ok by me

    also the link is broken

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16596577




     

  • thamighty213thamighty213 NewcastlePosts: 1,630Member

    Excellent observation and in a very similiar boat to what you mention it has myself and my small indie company fearful.

     

    We have an established community and admitedly they aren't saints I already pull 14 hr days Mon - Friday just to stay on top of things and within budget something like SOPA would outright kill us we couldnt take on the manpower I couldnt put in the extra hours which leaves the 1 option you mention and thats the death of the official forums and dev/player interaction.

  • DurrayDurray NorwichPosts: 174Member Uncommon

    I am finding this annoying now.

    I have been campaigning to stop SOPA (As an ENGLISHMAN) since September last year. Now suddenly everyone claims to be against it and care.

    I love the fact it looks like we have stopped it. YAY internet.

    But where were these articles MMORPG.com last year? When it actually would have made a difference.

  • DarkholmeDarkholme Wolfeboro, NHPosts: 1,201Member Uncommon

    A great TED video about SOPA/PIPA that you must watch and share: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h2dF-IsH0I

    A new sort of grass roots organization for consumer advocacy in gaming: http://www.leagueforgamers.org/

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  • MattNeMattNe Bozeman, MTPosts: 90Member

    All the SOPA uproar makes me laugh.

    See, I like to try and look at the big picture.

    SOPA is a symptom of the bigger problem. a bigger problem of 'Bigger Brother'. To me it almost sounds like a plot out of those classic's I read by Bradbury and Huxley. Movies I saw like Logan's Run.

    If you arent against SOPA you are against Free Speech, and for Government controling your life.

    Take a minute and read: "Brave New World" by Huxley, and "Farehneight 451" by Bradbury. Then call whatever 'democratic' represenative you have and scream at them to stop teh maddness.

  • drbaltazardrbaltazar drummondville, QCPosts: 7,987Member

    ya the way american work is this,the hammer on the nail they see they dont see nail no issue ,they see a nail they ll hammer it in who is the board recieving the blow while the nail gets hammered it is the entity ownind the web site.oh they ll slap the hand of the one linking if they find he or she is a heavy user will do bigger mesure ,but they willl still push to put the one hosting it (even tho he didnt know)to the street without web access probably.

    my beef with sopa is someone gets to control the web ,and this is one thing the tv ,and media of various acaby have been wonting for years ,this sopa /pipa is a direct counter mesure to netneutrality law that was passed in eu!ipower(athene and reese and furious among other)pushed very hard to get this to protect the web.because no one should have the right to control the web

    and if for any reason they find ways to control the web (or their part of it)the web WILL get fragmented.you will end up with ,some http,some with fttp ,some with 1ttp or wtchemeacallit.any thinking it wouldnt happen is delusionnal .so instead of one world wide web ,we would have million possible billion regional wide web!and i dont want that!

  • ZzadZzad Palma de MallorcaPosts: 1,316Member Uncommon

    It was a matter of time  power & governments would try to get the control over internet.

    It has become a threat to stablished powers since  people of the world can freely share information...

    Movements like the one shown worldwide the 15th of October  with the movement "Occupy Wallstreet"

    have shown to the power than citizens around the globe can strike back worlwide & organized using internet....

    and that scared the hell out of them.... Piracy is just an excuse to control the net.

    STOP SOPA!

  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,215Member Uncommon

    If you don't understand why SOPA was written the way it is take a quick look at any torrent search engine. What they're doing is perfectly legal, for now. Don't download anything that is illegal.  It's the government using broadly written poorly crafted legislation to try and kill the unkillable. This is all about the horrendously stupid idea that you can legislate file sharing out of existance. They might as well try to make it illegal to borrow a book from your neighbor by banning paper.

    "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  • tawesstawess LkpgPosts: 2,536Member Uncommon

    In all honesty.. I am one freak-out over SOPA from actually becomming a supporter, just for the living heck of it.

    Yes it is a pile of horse droppings that is and will be about as effective as hunting mosquitos with a howitser, but i fail to see how it is the end of the free world as we know it... If the free world as we know it endured christianity i am very much sure it will endure this too... Not saying people should not oppose it, it is after all a free "world" and you guys pay salary for your senators for a reason... primarly for them to rule as they see fit and listen to your complaints.. from time to time these will intersect. (look up the term "repsrentative democracy" but since there are free elections it does not matter all that much. And even if it shoudl pass actually using it will be a great deal more hairy. In fact the only ones who reeeeeaaaally loose on this is Google (and similar companies) who will have to hire a boat laod of people extra to handle the added amount of administration, and ofc your ISP, for pretty much the same reason.

    But i wish you good luck... Were i live we have similar laws and the free world have yet to crumble in to a pile and burn.

  • YuuiYuui KaunasPosts: 723Member


    Originally posted by zymurgeist
    If you don't understand why SOPA was written the way it is take a quick look at any torrent search engine. What they're doing is perfectly legal, for now. Don't download anything that is illegal.  It's the government using broadly written poorly crafted legislation to try and kill the unkillable. This is all about the horrendously stupid idea that you can legislate file sharing out of existance. They might as well try to make it illegal to borrow a book from your neighbor by banning paper.

    If you think ANYTHING in SOPA, PIPA, ACTA, etc is about actual piracy then you are either naive, misinformed or very unobservant.

     Its not about piracy. Its about corporate censorship.  Draconic-sized megacorporatios under ESA baner and etc, retaining their market share.  

    Its not about politics.
    its not bout beliefs.
    its not about piracy.
    its about power. Power and censorship


    Originally posted by tawess
    In all honesty.. I am one freak-out over SOPA from actually becomming a supporter, just for the living heck of it.Yes it is a pile of horse droppings that is and will be about as effective as hunting mosquitos with a howitser, but i fail to see how it is the end of the free world as we know it... If the free world as we know it endured christianity i am very much sure it will endure this too... Not saying people should not oppose it, it is after all a free "world" and you guys pay salary for your senators for a reason... primarly for them to rule as they see fit and listen to your complaints.. from time to time these will intersect. (look up the term "repsrentative democracy" but since there are free elections it does not matter all that much. And even if it shoudl pass actually using it will be a great deal more hairy. In fact the only ones who reeeeeaaaally loose on this is Google (and similar companies) who will have to hire a boat laod of people extra to handle the added amount of administration, and ofc your ISP, for pretty much the same reason.But i wish you good luck... Were i live we have similar laws and the free world have yet to crumble in to a pile and burn.

    The country you are in most likely does not own the majority of the internet, nor has Google abide by its laws, nor paypal, nor has majority of internet's dns servers being physically there.

    You are looking at the situation in way too shallow way. I suggest you to research a bit on the actual possible damage of this bill globally. :)

       

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  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member

    The people who want SOPA/PIPA (the MPAA & Co.) and the people wrote SOPA/PIPA (a bunch of 60+ senators) do not care if a game like Dominus disappears because of their law. They literally do not care if the internet disappears. From their perspective, the world was a much better place before all of this internet stuff anyway.

    But really, the law would have been useless. It would have taken less than a week for an alternative DNS system to spring up (some already exist) and business would continue as usual. Companies that wanted to stay in business (especially outside of the U.S.) would participate in the new DNS system and there ya go.

    It makes me sad that I voted for any of these people or that I helped finance any entertainment industry companies.

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • BadSpockBadSpock Somewhere, MIPosts: 7,974Member

    Tin foil hats off please.

    It is about piracy, and it's about MONEY and the corporations and entities losing it due to piracy.

    So they pad a few congressional pockets, help write up a really, really poorly written bill or two - internet backlashes, victory for internet right?

    They will pass something, something to help curb piracy.

    Constructive criticism and fact based arguments to support a new version of the bill that doesn't place the burden of truth on the accused.

    Poorly written bill, but something needs to be done.

    Piracy IS illegal.

    Here's a grown up, adult solution to the problem -

    PAY for material from artists, corporations, companies, and other such groups that you like and want to support. Vote with your wallet.

    Capitalism.

    "There is NO such thing as a free lunch."

    YOU, the movie/game/music illegal downloader brought this on us.

    The entitlement this generation feels... that they "deserve" to steal is just laughable. Not being able to afford something you want to have is no justification for stealing it. That is called "life" and "reality."

  • weslubowweslubow idaho faLLS, IDPosts: 158Member

    Want to protest so that the government will notice?

    Go to the supporting officials websites and link to copyrighted material.

    Then remind the official that they as the host are now responsible for that infringement. Remind them of what will be required of them as the accused. Remind them about the time limit they now have to remove or prove the link doesn't exist.

    Now the kicker. Remind them that we the people will put links on their site every day for the rest of the time they are in office. I hope they enjoy learning about the internet quickly or face the law they wrote.

  • drbaltazardrbaltazar drummondville, QCPosts: 7,987Member

    yep ,it is all about censorship,with this tool they can decide.check your mobile internet!could you game on it like in wow not because it cant do but because data cost would be prohibitive,this is one of the thing that WILL happen with sopa and pipa,and only those rich or with lobby power will have dencent access,check one exemple ,in the carolina south or north one city tried to lunch their own internet access because their citizen was too poor to afford it you know what happened with this very good idea ,the city was sued .they couldnt dev internet.wtf is this crap we dont have sopa yet!imagine how bad it would be if sopa was there.nobody could afford to defend themselves against to lobbying power and the big corporation.so everything the copr would say would pass because nobody has the amount of money required to defend vs the corporative.sopa and pipa is a bad idea because it make someone boss of the internet and NOBODY IS BOSS OF THE INTERNETit is for the world wide web not a tool for the greedy billionaire to play with!

  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid hell, NJPosts: 6,787Member Uncommon

    SOPA wont end piracy, im sure of that.

    its funny It just came to my mind that SOPA would piss hackers off and make them forget about poor old SONY and chase the big boy's (government) data center. LOL

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  • ScorpionOneScorpionOne Mechanicville, NYPosts: 190Member Uncommon

    Does anyone else feel like this is turning out like "V for Vendetta"?  The government taking over everything.  The "Voice of Britain?"  Yeah.

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  • 77lolmac7777lolmac77 Herp Derp, PAPosts: 496Member

    on a side note, maybe if the state of Entertainment wasn't so mediocre, people would be more enticed to actually buy the product.

    Like the saying goes "fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me"f

    <------ Tired of being fooled by movies/games/TV shows/Music that gets hyped beyond belief than turns out to be just the same old garbage (Transformers anyone?)

    Seriously, I would never pirate a game I truly enjoyed playing, or one that had a small purchase price and was from an indie developer (Minecraft).

    Then again I'm also hyper-critical of politicians in general, especially after everything the US has done to other countries, then when the other countries do the exact same thing, whoa whoa whoa we got a problem.

    Biggest group of spineless individuals ever--------United States Government

  • FrostWyrmFrostWyrm Tempe, AZPosts: 1,036Member

    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Tin foil hats off please.

    It is about piracy, and it's about MONEY and the corporations and entities losing it due to piracy.

    Here's a grown up, adult solution to the problem -

    PAY for material from artists, corporations, companies, and other such groups that you like and want to support. Vote with your wallet.

    YOU, the movie/game/music illegal downloader brought this on us.

    The entitlement this generation feels... that they "deserve" to steal is just laughable. Not being able to afford something you want to have is no justification for stealing it. That is called "life" and "reality."

    Corporations cant lose what they didn't have in the first place

    Piracy IS a form of "voting with your wallet". In most instances it tells corporations their product is worth having, but not at the given price.

    The corporations have brought this upon themselves by pricing their product higher than a lot of people feel its worth.

    No one is entitled to steal. While I don't wholly agree with piracy, I can understand why it exists, and I don't believe it's the fault of the pirates.

  • atticusbcatticusbc Posts: 1,069Member Uncommon



    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Tin foil hats off please.

    It is about piracy, and it's about MONEY and the corporations and entities losing it due to piracy.

    So they pad a few congressional pockets, help write up a really, really poorly written bill or two - internet backlashes, victory for internet right

    They will pass something, something to help curb piracy.

    Constructive criticism and fact based arguments to support a new version of the bill that doesn't place the burden of truth on the accused.

    Poorly written bill, but something needs to be done.

    Piracy IS illegal.

    Here's a grown up, adult solution to the problem -

    PAY for material from artists, corporations, companies, and other such groups that you like and want to support. Vote with your wallet.

    Capitalism.

    "There is NO such thing as a free lunch."

    YOU, the movie/game/music illegal downloader brought this on us.

    The entitlement this generation feels... that they "deserve" to steal is just laughable. Not being able to afford something you want to have is no justification for stealing it. That is called "life" and "reality."

     

     

    even though i'm just a young wippersnapper i think i have a revelation for you: sopa/pipa won't stop piracy. you said it yourself: piracy is illegal, so what do they care about a new law? nada. the problem with these bills is that they would seriously harm legitimate businesses tryin to use the internet. like the article stated small, online businesses with any form of public community input would be forced to filter that input looking for anything that might cause a company to come down on them.

    sopa/pipa won't do anything that it set out to do. and while we're running with the folky sayings: "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."

  • kakasakikakasaki Lockhart, TXPosts: 1,205Member

    Originally posted by FrostWyrm

    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Tin foil hats off please.

    It is about piracy, and it's about MONEY and the corporations and entities losing it due to piracy.

    Here's a grown up, adult solution to the problem -

    PAY for material from artists, corporations, companies, and other such groups that you like and want to support. Vote with your wallet.

    YOU, the movie/game/music illegal downloader brought this on us.

    The entitlement this generation feels... that they "deserve" to steal is just laughable. Not being able to afford something you want to have is no justification for stealing it. That is called "life" and "reality."

    Corporations cant lose what they didn't have in the first place

    Piracy IS a form of "voting with your wallet". In most instances it tells corporations their product is worth having, but not at the given price.

    The corporations have brought this upon themselves by pricing their product higher than a lot of people feel its worth.

    No one is entitled to steal. While I don't wholly agree with piracy, I can understand why it exists, and I don't believe it's the fault of the pirates.

    Spin it however you want, BadSpock is correct: pirating software IS stealing and there is no justification for it. Think a game is not worth the release price? Wait till it goes on sale and pick it up on the bargain bin for a price you think it is worth. Don't agree with the perceived greed of a company (SOE comes to mind)? Vote with your wallet and refuse to purchase anything from them: I find it hypocritical to say you will boycott a company but then illegally dowloand their products. 

     

    SOPA IS a poorly thought out/worded over reaction to an actual problem and should not become law. But to say that piracy is the fault of the companies or that companies make people do ilegal acts is ludicrous.

    A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...

  • FrostWyrmFrostWyrm Tempe, AZPosts: 1,036Member

    Originally posted by kakasaki

    Originally posted by FrostWyrm


    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Tin foil hats off please.

    It is about piracy, and it's about MONEY and the corporations and entities losing it due to piracy.

    Here's a grown up, adult solution to the problem -

    PAY for material from artists, corporations, companies, and other such groups that you like and want to support. Vote with your wallet.

    YOU, the movie/game/music illegal downloader brought this on us.

    The entitlement this generation feels... that they "deserve" to steal is just laughable. Not being able to afford something you want to have is no justification for stealing it. That is called "life" and "reality."

    Corporations cant lose what they didn't have in the first place

    Piracy IS a form of "voting with your wallet". In most instances it tells corporations their product is worth having, but not at the given price.

    The corporations have brought this upon themselves by pricing their product higher than a lot of people feel its worth.

    No one is entitled to steal. While I don't wholly agree with piracy, I can understand why it exists, and I don't believe it's the fault of the pirates.

    Spin it however you want...

    Spin what? I didn't say piracy was or should be legal, I just think corporations get what they deserve from it.

  • darker70darker70 stokePosts: 813Member

     

    One thing the geniuses who have shut down Mega upload seem to have shot themselves in the foot,to do this now when there are millions of Americans voteing to stop SOPA is a strange descision,why on earth would they pretty much bring the full wrath of Anonymous and show how SOPA could if passed basically kill a site and impose a guilty verdict with out due process.

    Millions of  people where unaware of this bill but now will join in the fight to prevent a Orwellian nightmare in a supposed free and democratic society, as a Brit many of my country would look to the states and your constitution and freedom of speech in envy as Britian does not have that only the general laws laid out by Brussels prevents the UK from been one of the most secretive countries in the world.

    But now we have a winner the States after 911 has basically let the terrorists win,because now the American people are becomeing embroiled in a police state the very laws that the Taliban use to control the populace are now been interpreted as protecting the people, when companies like Universal can hack a website who no doubt contribute to the campaign fund think it is ok,as they have the protection of most of the senate and only a guilty verdict against Universal would turn the tide but has they are corparate America and goverment supporters this seems very unlikely !!,u then have to wonder it might be an idea to drop land of the free from your national anthem.


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  • AntariousAntarious Greenville, SCPosts: 2,802Member

    I didn't read the entire thread but my personal view on SOPA may be a bit different.

     

    So... here goes.

     

     

    I was born in Vermont and spent the first 20+ years of my life there.   One of the Authors of SOPA is Senator Leahy of... ya *drum roll* Vermont.

     

    So I have issues with SOPA and I find it embarrasing that one of the Authors is from my "home state".

     

    So why is that?

     

    In the most basic sense when Leahy was elected it was to represent the voters of his state, which in this case is Vermont.   What interest does this bill serve the state that elected him?   I got back to Vermont now and then due to family all over the state.   I'm not really aware of a large recording industry or even artist industry that asked for anything like this.

     

    So the people he is representing in this bill are not the ones that elected him or from the state that elected him.

     

    To me that is really a *ponder* becuase the people I talk to in Vermont have a major concern... jobs.

     

    Yet during one the worst economic periods of our country ... instead of trying to do something to get the economy going... he was too busy helping to write SOPA which is going to do what to help the state the elected him?

     

    Absolutely nothing.

     

    The vast majority of industry that this bill might help is a long ways west of Vermont...

     

    I'd also wager a pretty good guess that Senator Leahy knows about as much in regards to online piracy as I know about being a brain surgeon.

     

    However, he should have a pretty good understanding of "due process" and why writing a bill that ignore due process would be unconstitutional and a waste of time.

     

    Seriously?

     

    I've been thinking of going "home" just to try to make sure he does not get elected again.   Key word there being try... but I'm pretty sure if the people of his home state knew this was his focus instead of their interest... it would probably go a long ways in my quest for him being out of office.

     

    I believe people who create art or any product should be paid for it.   I don't support piracy or theft in general.   I just don't comprehend wasting time on this during the current economy or the concept that I can try to shutdown a website on a claim I don't have to be able to prove.. nor do they ever have had to host the offending material.

    Moderator's on this site allow certain posters to create endless troll threads. Yet "warn" people for giving recommendations... account *pending* deletion because.. why bother.

  • PieRadPieRad Odense MPosts: 1,108Member

    Lol'd when i found this.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swfXXT0QBeI&feature=related

     

    C|Net owned by CBS, partnered w. Disney, Warner and many others actually distributed the sharing software along with DRM removal software, and made a ton doing it too, then turn around and cry to the politicians that there is too much piracy.

    They are heavy supporters of SOPA, and pouring millions into it..... WTF.

     

    Check it.

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  • fenistilfenistil GliwicePosts: 3,005Member

    Originally posted by BadSpock

    Tin foil hats off please.

    It is about piracy, and it's about MONEY and the corporations and entities losing it due to piracy.

    So they pad a few congressional pockets, help write up a really, really poorly written bill or two - internet backlashes, victory for internet right?

    They will pass something, something to help curb piracy.

    Constructive criticism and fact based arguments to support a new version of the bill that doesn't place the burden of truth on the accused.

    Poorly written bill, but something needs to be done.

    Piracy IS illegal.

    Here's a grown up, adult solution to the problem -

    PAY for material from artists, corporations, companies, and other such groups that you like and want to support. Vote with your wallet.

    Capitalism.

    "There is NO such thing as a free lunch."

    YOU, the movie/game/music illegal downloader brought this on us.

    The entitlement this generation feels... that they "deserve" to steal is just laughable. Not being able to afford something you want to have is no justification for stealing it. That is called "life" and "reality."




     



    Big news for you.

     

    Piracy in USA and western countries IS DECREASING in last years, especially since digital distribution kicked in.

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