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Star Wars: The Old Republic: Tightening Up the Graphics

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  • PhryPhry HampshirePosts: 6,296Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by SpottyGekko

    I actually think the "BigMac" anology is very interesting when applied to MMO advertising.

     

    If you look at the advertising and official screenshots for "WoW-burgers", "Rift-burgers" and "Aion-burgers", then you will see many examples where the advertised product looks EXACTLY like the one you get when you buy it. The ingame footage on these game sites may be be created at very high gfx settings, but a player with a good gaming machine can match them easily enough.

     

    But in the case of "SWTOR-burgers", you will NEVER see an accurate picture of the actual product in official advertising. Nor will you see any disclaimer warning you that what you're seeing is not the actual ingame reality. There is no way a SWTOR player can match the advertised gfx quality ever. Period.

     

    Most people look at advertised screenshots, and draw their own conclusions. Those with low-end machines know they are not going to see those visuals in their games. Those with medium rigs know they will lose some of the quality, but they will have a reasonable shot at matching what's advertised by tweaking settings. Those with high-end rigs expect to match what is advertised.

     

    It would have been fine if EA/BW had decided upfront to limit gfx quality, and been clear about it. Making a game that has undemanding gfx is not a sin. WoW were crystal clear about that decision, years before they launched.

     

    There is a difference, often games advertised on Television etc, will use footage from a PC as they are the best graphically, even though in terms of sales,  more are sold on xbox version than any other, but, those game play vids are from actual in game footage that is achievable, which is not the case with SW:TOR, this is a clear case of false advertising. which under advertising law should require the addition of an 'not actual game footage' disclaimer be displayed during the advertisement image

  • kingsatanaskingsatanas quebec, QCPosts: 31Member

    idont have this game and not planning to get it cause im not a star war /star trek fan or nerd.i have read yu comment and they sound like some free to play game have better graphique then that.i think its stupid in 2012 to published a new game with a 1990 graphic. i enjoy eq2 until Tera online will release with good graphique and good stuff

  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,215Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Phry

    Originally posted by SpottyGekko

    I actually think the "BigMac" anology is very interesting when applied to MMO advertising.

     

    If you look at the advertising and official screenshots for "WoW-burgers", "Rift-burgers" and "Aion-burgers", then you will see many examples where the advertised product looks EXACTLY like the one you get when you buy it. The ingame footage on these game sites may be be created at very high gfx settings, but a player with a good gaming machine can match them easily enough.

     

    But in the case of "SWTOR-burgers", you will NEVER see an accurate picture of the actual product in official advertising. Nor will you see any disclaimer warning you that what you're seeing is not the actual ingame reality. There is no way a SWTOR player can match the advertised gfx quality ever. Period.

     

    Most people look at advertised screenshots, and draw their own conclusions. Those with low-end machines know they are not going to see those visuals in their games. Those with medium rigs know they will lose some of the quality, but they will have a reasonable shot at matching what's advertised by tweaking settings. Those with high-end rigs expect to match what is advertised.

     

    It would have been fine if EA/BW had decided upfront to limit gfx quality, and been clear about it. Making a game that has undemanding gfx is not a sin. WoW were crystal clear about that decision, years before they launched.

     

    There is a difference, often games advertised on Television etc, will use footage from a PC as they are the best graphically, even though in terms of sales,  more are sold on xbox version than any other, but, those game play vids are from actual in game footage that is achievable, which is not the case with SW:TOR, this is a clear case of false advertising. which under advertising law should require the addition of an 'not actual game footage' disclaimer be displayed during the advertisement image

    The  FCC doesn't regulate internet video like it does TV commercials. It's a whole different set of standards. No disclamer is required. Also I don't think you know how limited false advertising laws are in the U.S. It doesn't look like that isn't a legal basis for a claim.

     

    Oh and those TV Big Macs? You cant eat them. Some of the chemicals they use to enhance them are toxic.

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  • PhryPhry HampshirePosts: 6,296Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by zymurgeist

    Originally posted by Phry


    Originally posted by SpottyGekko

    I actually think the "BigMac" anology is very interesting when applied to MMO advertising.

     

    If you look at the advertising and official screenshots for "WoW-burgers", "Rift-burgers" and "Aion-burgers", then you will see many examples where the advertised product looks EXACTLY like the one you get when you buy it. The ingame footage on these game sites may be be created at very high gfx settings, but a player with a good gaming machine can match them easily enough.

     

    But in the case of "SWTOR-burgers", you will NEVER see an accurate picture of the actual product in official advertising. Nor will you see any disclaimer warning you that what you're seeing is not the actual ingame reality. There is no way a SWTOR player can match the advertised gfx quality ever. Period.

     

    Most people look at advertised screenshots, and draw their own conclusions. Those with low-end machines know they are not going to see those visuals in their games. Those with medium rigs know they will lose some of the quality, but they will have a reasonable shot at matching what's advertised by tweaking settings. Those with high-end rigs expect to match what is advertised.

     

    It would have been fine if EA/BW had decided upfront to limit gfx quality, and been clear about it. Making a game that has undemanding gfx is not a sin. WoW were crystal clear about that decision, years before they launched.

     

    There is a difference, often games advertised on Television etc, will use footage from a PC as they are the best graphically, even though in terms of sales,  more are sold on xbox version than any other, but, those game play vids are from actual in game footage that is achievable, which is not the case with SW:TOR, this is a clear case of false advertising. which under advertising law should require the addition of an 'not actual game footage' disclaimer be displayed during the advertisement image

    The  FCC doesn't regulate internet video like it does TV commercials. It's a whole different set of standards. No disclamer is required. Also I don't think you know how limited false advertising laws are in the U.S. It doesn't look like that isn't a legal basis for a claim.

     

    Oh and those TV Big Macs? You cant eat them. Some of the chemicals they use to enhance them are toxic.

    so not entirely dissimilar to the actual big macs then image

     

  • DracillDracill Miami, FLPosts: 158Member
    And do not forget the pink boots. If people want to play with pink boots and low resolution cutscenes they should be allowed.

    At least that should make the life easier to the haters. My vote for the return to the beta bugs.

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  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member

    I cranked up the loader this morning before work and downloaded the update for the game. Obviously the servers were not up, but the Settings screen was available. There's now an Anti-Alias option that I don't remember seeing before and also an Anistropic Filtering option I don't remember seeing before. Looking forward to seeing how this affects the game's appearance.

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  • UnshraUnshra Hanover, MDPosts: 382Member

     

    Ah so BioWare is channeling Starbucks, Medium resolution is now High resolution and High resolution is now Cutscene, gotcha...

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  • FusionFusion VaasaPosts: 1,391Member Uncommon

    That's what you get when you buy an engine, you don't know the ins and outs of it. And to be honest, the hero-engine is very badly optimized considering the quality of graphics it outlays...

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  • daltaniousdaltanious waPosts: 2,145Member Uncommon

    To be honest have never compared medium to high .... With every game I immediately go to set effects to max. My computer is 2 years old aprox, when purchased was not top of the top but was good.

    And I can only say I'm impressed with incredible Star wars(!) feeling and with great graphics and all effects. With smoth combat moves, etc etc. I do not care for effects that normal human eye can not even notice. I'm incredibly happy with what I see when i play. And how I feel.

    Have been watching first SW movie when was released. And all rest also. Game is impressive. But is true ... who is fan of swtor have only one big reason more to be happy. But I do not think would be disappointed even if I had never watched any sw movie.

    If I can play all maxed out wow, rift and swtor ... all lag free, bug free .... I will simply not play games that does not fit this criteria. Now of course. 10 years or more ago standards were pretty different, once was "normal" when major and really annoying bugs were fixed i.e. after 2 years. Rift and Swtor have set new standards here.

  • AlyvianAlyvian NoesPosts: 342Member

    time to reroll back to rift, feel free to use the link in my signature

     

    also remember, these guys are owned by ea, ea support sopa/pipa which will destroy alot of sites like this/similar to this so why even bother giving them your money.

  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko RotterdamPosts: 3,845Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Unshra

     

    Ah so BioWare is channeling Starbucks, Medium resolution is now High resolution and High resolution is now Cutscene, gotcha...

    Yup, "working as originally intended", they just forgot to tell anyone about that until the Dev statement last week :)

     

    But, after some enouragement by the playerbase, they have promised to try to improve the ingame gfx in the next month or two, which will allow you to display characters "close to you" in high-res gfx.

     

    Perhaps there'll be a new gfx setting added then, "High+" or "Ultra High" or some such...

  • DreamionDreamion GothenburgPosts: 286Member

    SWTOR = meh

  • oubersoubers bazelPosts: 876Member Common

    Originally posted by Alyvian

    time to reroll back to rift, feel free to use the link in my signature

     

    also remember, these guys are owned by ea, ea support sopa/pipa which will destroy alot of sites like this/similar to this so why even bother giving them your money.

    cant help but agree with this.......i dont like EA either it seems.

    I bought it because its bioware......their storytelling is epic imho.

    That is why i love swtor so much, story.....once i hit max lvl with my 4 chars i will prolly lose the game to the bottom draw of my desk i guess.

     

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  • cybrinsanitycybrinsanity Redwood City, CAPosts: 106Member

    Originally posted by Stephen Reid

    “bring greater visual fidelity to your character and those around you, but will still allow for good performance in situations where a lot of characters are on-screen at once.”

     

    Since when does this happen? theres never anymore than say 20 people on screen anyways at any given time... lol

  • chryseschryses LondonPosts: 1,453Member Uncommon

    My summary on the situation.

    Good

    - Game looks good on max settings (plus I messed around with 3d Nvidia settings, may have helped).

    - Game, for me, runs amazing FPS even in high pop areas and warzones.  Its very fluid.

     

    Bad

    - If everyone gets high rez textures and it slows the FPS down and we all end up getting lag then I don't want it.  The minimal visual improvement is not worth game playability

     

    Ugly

    - Regardless EA should have come clean and stated up front to a mostly mature audience.  We can do this but based on numbers if we did it would ruin gameplay.  We will endeavour to introduce when we think it can be supported.

     

    Job done and dusted but the lack of comms is the issue here.  I don't want textures if it stuffs up everything else.  I played some older MMO's last night when the patching was going on and they look very poor in comparison.

  • AdamTMAdamTM Frankfurt Am MainPosts: 1,376Member

    Originally posted by chryses

    My summary on the situation.

    Good

    - Game looks good on max settings (plus I messed around with 3d Nvidia settings, may have helped).

    - Game, for me, runs amazing FPS even in high pop areas and warzones.  Its very fluid.

     

    Bad

    - If everyone gets high rez textures and it slows the FPS down and we all end up getting lag then I don't want it.  The minimal visual improvement is not worth game playability

     

    Ugly

    - Regardless EA should have come clean and stated up front to a mostly mature audience.  We can do this but based on numbers if we did it would ruin gameplay.  We will endeavour to introduce when we think it can be supported.

     

    Job done and dusted but the lack of comms is the issue here.  I don't want textures if it stuffs up everything else.  I played some older MMO's last night when the patching was going on and they look very poor in comparison.

    How will hires textures on my box give -you- lag?

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  • ElikalElikal ValhallaPosts: 7,906Member Uncommon

    Hm so much anger I sense. ^^

    Well, I can live with it, but the med rez texture on the clothing/armour is the only thing that really bothers me. I wish they had the choice the activate those. In the end, why not give players the choice what setting works on their computer?

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  • haibanehaibane San Diego, CAPosts: 178Member

    All the others mmorpgs burger as the dude said, look the same on my pc than on their vids.

    Besides, in Asia generally but more specifically in Singapore, the big mac u get in ur box looks exactly the same than the big mac u have on the picture above the cashier, it's just a matter of technique XD.

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  • crAxxcrAxx UelzenPosts: 1Member

    Originally posted by AdamTM

    Originally posted by chryses

    My summary on the situation.

    Good

    - Game looks good on max settings (plus I messed around with 3d Nvidia settings, may have helped).

    - Game, for me, runs amazing FPS even in high pop areas and warzones.  Its very fluid.

     

    Bad

    - If everyone gets high rez textures and it slows the FPS down and we all end up getting lag then I don't want it.  The minimal visual improvement is not worth game playability

     

    Ugly

    - Regardless EA should have come clean and stated up front to a mostly mature audience.  We can do this but based on numbers if we did it would ruin gameplay.  We will endeavour to introduce when we think it can be supported.

     

    Job done and dusted but the lack of comms is the issue here.  I don't want textures if it stuffs up everything else.  I played some older MMO's last night when the patching was going on and they look very poor in comparison.

    How will hires textures on my box give -you- lag?


     

     

     

     

    hahaha exactly , i was like W T F ?? guys if you don't know shit, don't discuss with the "pro's"


     

  • haibanehaibane San Diego, CAPosts: 178Member

    Lol especially the "pros" : game runs smooth even on super high settings... There's no super high settings dude.

    I think this game runs super smooth on a 1998 rig, just needs an IBM 486 SLC with 256MB of ram to run it.

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  • itgrowlsitgrowls newport news, VAPosts: 2,951Member

    Originally posted by voltt

    Got a high end computer game runs fine no fps issues.

     

    The game looks great haveing a blast playing

     

    Who F****** cares about the high res textures, enjoy the f****** game


     

    That's like saying who cares if you look good just leave the house as you are no one will care. Logical fallacy for the evening.

  • Deathstrike2Deathstrike2 Wellston, OHPosts: 1,801Member

    Game runs fine and looks good to me.  People saying the graphics are from 1990 are clueless drama queens.  Yes, I've seen MMOs with better graphics, but not many.  The sad truth is that those MMOs with better graphics didn't keep me playing anyway, and I'm assuming they didn't keep the complainers here playing either.  Otherwise, they would be happy with their shiney graphics and not bitching here about SWTOR.  Wierd, huh?

     

  • OziiusOziius Baltimore, MDPosts: 1,388Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by itgrowls



    Originally posted by voltt



    Got a high end computer game runs fine no fps issues.

     

    The game looks great haveing a blast playing

     

    Who F****** cares about the high res textures, enjoy the f****** game






     

    That's like saying who cares if you look good just leave the house as you are no one will care. Logical fallacy for the evening.

    Incorrect. He's saying that he's leaving the house and having a good time regardless of what others think. As long as he is liking what he sees in the mirror, to hell with others. 

     

    The correct analogy would be him saying "Who cares about looking good, just go out and enjoy yourself". That's actually exactly what he said.  To which you could argue... "I care about looking good!" In whcih case, you would also have a valid argument. These issues are way to subjective to contain any fact. It's just personal opinion.

     

    Did you know that you mention "logical Fallacy" in almost all your post...lol. 

     

    As far as the OP - in the interest of staying on topic, I'm glad they are working on the tightening of the graphics. Makes me all fuzzy. 

     

  • zDomzDom Sikeston, MOPosts: 1Member

     

    I'm not a eye candy fanatic, but:

    I saw TV commericals for BF3 and was blase because I figured it was marketing trickery.

    On the day of release, I bought it on impulse and was blown away at how great it looked — and how it is so smooth while looking that incredible (on my machine, at least).

    The can use actual gameplay graphics for cutscenes because their gameplay graphics are THAT GOOD.

     

    When I logged in to SWTOR I was immediately disappointed by the graphics. It really didn't look any better to me than SWG looked, or LOTRO for that matter.

    SWTOR to me looked like a game running on an engine from five years ago.

    I shrugged, and play anyway because I am enjoying the experience despite disappointing graphics, so relax fanbois. No need to break out the "then don't play" flamethrowers.

    But then watching TV with my GF, a SWTOR commercial comes up (with NO disclaimers, btw) and I find myself looking at GORGEOUS graphics. My girlfriend states "That game looks awesome — what is that?" knowing that I've been playing SWTOR and looking over my shoulder on occassion.

    She doesn't even recognize it as being the same game until, coughing with embaressment, I explain that it IS the game I've been playing.

    So go ahead and explain and make excuses and flame those who complain: it all comes down to "Blah Blah Blah." 

     

    Nevermind what they did/said/promoted in the past,

    TODAY they are advertising a product on TV that is NOT recognizable as the product that appears on my PC today.

    I think it is a legitimate gripe.

     

     


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