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  • LidaneLidane Austin, TXPosts: 2,300Member

    Should both SOPA and PIPA be stopped? 

    Yes. No question.

  • jeremyjodesjeremyjodes antioch, ORPosts: 679Member

    Yes it should be stopped. This is not china just yet.

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  • ForumTrollForumTroll Haltom, TXPosts: 140Member

    They are currently reporting this on FOX and the way they explain it is to stop piracy on the internet. To stop foreign sites form allowing american citizens to get pirated material from them, because they do not have to obide by the same copyright laws. I don't know how true this is and I also take everything FOX says with a grain of salt. However stopping pirating does not seem like a big issue to me, I'm all for it. It is the other thing that might be affected I am curious about. All american laws have fine print and loopholes, so i wonder what i am not being told, as oppossed to what i am being told.

    "People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool."

  • FailtrainFailtrain QueenstownPosts: 129Member

    Wohoo, Red 5 is amazing.

  • LidaneLidane Austin, TXPosts: 2,300Member

    Originally posted by ForumTroll

    They are currently reporting this on FOX and the way they explain it is to stop piracy on the internet. To stop foreign sites form allowing american citizens to get pirated material from them, because they do not have to obide by the same copyright laws. I don't know how true this is and I also take everything FOX says with a grain of salt. However stopping pirating does not seem like a big issue to me, I'm all for it. It is the other thing that might be affected I am curious about. All american laws have fine print and loopholes, so i wonder what i am not being told, as oppossed to what i am being told.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBiZC2gFoY8

  • uohaloranuohaloran ., GAPosts: 811Member

    Of course it should be stopped.  Google and Wikipedia both are on board with Wikipedia doing a blackout and Google having a Stop SOPA link on the home page, now if only Facebook and Twitter would do the same.

    Shutting down Reddit and other tech savy websites is kind of preaching to the choir.  A noble effort, but ultimately kind of a waste.

  • ZekiahZekiah Aurora, COPosts: 2,499Member

    Originally posted by ForumTroll

    They are currently reporting this on FOX and the way they explain it is to stop piracy on the internet. To stop foreign sites form allowing american citizens to get pirated material from them, because they do not have to obide by the same copyright laws. I don't know how true this is and I also take everything FOX says with a grain of salt. However stopping pirating does not seem like a big issue to me, I'm all for it. It is the other thing that might be affected I am curious about. All american laws have fine print and loopholes, so i wonder what i am not being told, as oppossed to what i am being told.

    The mainstream media, ie FOX CNN etc., is all owned by the same people trying to force this draconian legislation on us.

    "Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  • TioanbeastTioanbeast columbia, PAPosts: 23Member

    Originally posted by moosecatlol



    Originally posted by Tioanbeast



    I belive that his act is a step in th right direction, online piracy has to be stopped some how, I howeve fail to see how this will affect any MMOs as there downloaded from online and yo can't get on without a paid account. But I thin this will help out other industries like movie and music to recieve moree profit. Everyone in america thinks they deserve everything and thats the attitude that's destroying our country.


     

    Read up on the bill. Hopefully this will give you a better idea of how broad language can be manipulated.

    My position remains unchanged. Even If i was nuetral on this subject it seems that both this link and MMORPG.com is bias on this subject, ofcourse they fear that it may make them blocked or such. I am still for this bill however. NOthing you say can change that. This should've been made many years ago.

  • SilverdaggerSilverdagger Hulls Cove, MEPosts: 119Member Uncommon

    The US passed through Fascism (corporate run) a couple years ago and is quickly heading towards Totalitarianism (police state).  Two recent rulings that people should be worried about: the "indefinite detention bill" which was passed in December as part of the National Defense Authorization Act, and another recent ruling that allows the military to handle civil issues.  So it's official, if we stand up to our government we can "disappear" and instead of facing a line of cops with plastic shields, protesters may be met with M16s, tanks and drones.  Amerika, home of the sheeple.

    So, really, is anyone surprised that some clowns tried to ram SOPA and PIPA through Congress just before the lazy sods were planning to take a couple months paid vacation.  SOPA has only been postponed, not killed.  Do not let up on the fight.  Focus on PIPA for now, but until both these bills are killed and politicians learn that they work for us not themselves, these shenanigans will come back to haunt us.   These bills, like NDAA, do not just effect the US.

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  • jedensuscgjedensuscg Kodiak, AKPosts: 209Member

    The longer we can hold these kinds of bills off, I think the better.  The truth is now, and it was quoted in several articles, is that most of the current politians in office are old as hell techno-morons that don't even have a clue what this kinds of laws really mean.  Some in the senate and house have stated they don't even know what a domain name is!!! Many of the politicians that are trying to pass these laws have the slightest idea what the law even means, and they have admited this.  The major companies pushing the bill just tell them "it will stop piracy...trust us, oh and here is some cash" and the internet illiterate politicians think ok, win win deal.

    Someday, when all these old folk politians start dying off and the new generation, though still corrupt as hell, comes into office, they will at least have more sense when it comes to technology and will realize that this will hurt more then it helps.

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  • Sys7emSys7em Edmonds, WAPosts: 119Member Uncommon

    absolutely

  • jedensuscgjedensuscg Kodiak, AKPosts: 209Member



    Originally posted by Tioanbeast








    Originally posted by moosecatlol






















    Originally posted by Tioanbeast



















    I belive that his act is a step in th right direction, online piracy has to be stopped some how, I howeve fail to see how this will affect any MMOs as there downloaded from online and yo can't get on without a paid account. But I thin this will help out other industries like movie and music to recieve moree profit. Everyone in america thinks they deserve everything and thats the attitude that's destroying our country.














     













    Read up on the bill. Hopefully this will give you a better idea of how broad language can be manipulated.





    My position remains unchanged. Even If i was nuetral on this subject it seems that both this link and MMORPG.com is bias on this subject, ofcourse they fear that it may make them blocked or such. I am still for this bill however. NOthing you say can change that. This should've been made many years ago.










     

    You do realize that movie, music and other media industries already make INORDINATE amount of profits right? When some guy can pretend to be someone else in a SINGLE movie and get paid more then 1000 of me will get in my entire military career, including retirement, I think they get more then enough.  I am also against piracy and think it should be stopped, but this bill is like taking a shotgun and trying to shoot a criminal while he standing amongst a group of hostages...ya your gonna kill the criminal, but who else are you going to hurt in the process?  People are not complaining that a bill trying to stop piracy is on the table, its how this bill is "supposed" to stop piracy.  And of course that article you read as well as MMORPG seem to be baised...EVERY SINGLE technology and internet firm is against this law, and as the original article here states, even a majority of game companies are against it, and they are supposedly the ones its "supposed" to protect.  If you think this law in its current state is a right one, then your etiher a troll, work for a major publisher with multi-billion dollar CEO's, or are just like the politicians, all you see is "stop piracy" and you get blinded to the rest of the wording in the bill that goes into scarry detail exactly HOW its going to try to stop piracy. Your the type that will see a bill with a title of "Stop Gang warefare" and say its a bill that must be passed, even though it really states that it will stop gang crime by allowing police to arrest anyone with a tattoo.



     

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  • CacaphonyCacaphony Tacoma, WAPosts: 738Member

    Update:

    So earlier I linked an article from yahoo regarding the shelving of SOPA.

    Now it seems that SOPA will be alive and kicking in Feb.

    Article found at The Escapist Magazine:

    Here

    Their source for this info was techdirt.com

    Here

    In other news: my knee seems to have taken an arrow out of nowhere. Updates at 11.

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  • ForumTrollForumTroll Haltom, TXPosts: 140Member

    I'm too lazy to actually read the bill so I will just say this. No matter how many citizens or companies oppose this it is ultimately up to the elected officials. So getting our panties in a bunch over what this bill "could" mean or "does" mean is pretty useless. I know that I will not be letting this effect and part of my life, nor will it keep me up at night worried for my life. If i broke down and thoroughly disected every bill in legislation, it still wouldn't change a damn thing.

    The simple fact is Piracy DOES need to be stopped and if it takes one failed bill or some kind of mistake in order to better mend the future of the internet then so be it. You cant make a beef stew without slaughtering a few cows first. Eventually PETA will step in and be like wait wait wait a minute. At least kill them repectfully!

    "People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool."

  • obiiobii WienPosts: 779Member Uncommon

    For the fun of it I would like to see it go through.

    :P

  • GTwanderGTwander San Diego, CAPosts: 6,035Member

    Originally posted by obii

    For the fun of it I would like to see it go through.

    :P

    In the same way that throwing batteries in a campfire can be?

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  • ForumTrollForumTroll Haltom, TXPosts: 140Member

    Originally posted by GTwander

    Originally posted by obii

    For the fun of it I would like to see it go through.

    :P

    In the same way that throwing batteries in a campfire can be?

    looks fun to me.....

    "People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool."

  • obiiobii WienPosts: 779Member Uncommon



    Originally posted by GTwander




    Originally posted by obii



    For the fun of it I would like to see it go through.





    :P

    In the same way that throwing batteries in a campfire can be?






     

    Sort of :P

    I also think the internet would advance quicker if such a law would go forth as more underground stuff would be developed which would be even harder to control.

     

    And you should see a full can of hairspray in a decent fire. That looks FUN!



     

  • WraithoneWraithone Salt Lake City, UTPosts: 3,593Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by waynejr2

    In the USA we need more amendments to the constitution to counter everything in SOPA so that this dies forever!  We need to prevent other stuff like net neutrality, fair use and satire rights, business are not people and money is not free speech.  We must cut the money out of funding political campaigns so add limits such as:  only people (remember business are not people) can donate and then only to someone they can vote for and to a limited amount of money.

     

    Sorry, you obviously missed the reality that we face. At this point, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights mean only what those in New Rome say that they mean. In other words, they effectively no longer exist. SOPA is just the most current example of that, in quite a long stream of bills and acts, that have been passed into law over the last 10-12 years.  

    SOPA *will* be back in some form or another. Big Contents bought and paid for politicians will see to that. The only thing that has delayed it this time, was the opposing massively funded lobbists with Google, Face Book and other such.  

    As for the rest, any real attempt to clean up the system, would be met with *what ever* degree of force was required.  Do you honestly think that those who have real control of the most powerful economy in the world, would ever allow that control to be taken from them?

  • bakagamibakagami Locust Grove, OKPosts: 152Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by veratutazz















    Originally posted by GTwander















    What's going to happen is that they will use the US as a test ground for this, and then we will be no different than China and many Middle Eastern countries that aren't allowed access outside their network. Yes, it will slip into our own intranet, where viewing outside material is criminalized (regardless of if it's porn or network tv you're watching), and used to keep subversive elements *out*, culturally stunting us. I really do believe this is the beginning steps of a cruel nationilization effort, but with the interests of corporate media in mind.













    After all, they can make sure you pay for streaming videos if you simply can't find a proxy in Denmark. Other countries will catch on, and all will be suck.





























     






























     

     I feel a little sad inside when I read all this text-walling hateraiding on SOPA and PIPA. Look, it is real simple:





     

    And, for the record, the "they wouldn't pay for it anyways" argument is a hysterical red herring. I know *WAY* more people that steal/pirate in my professional *AND* private life not because they are criminals, not because they are 'bad people', not because they are 'poor' or "wouldn't buy it anyways" ... They do it because it is fall-down-blind easy to do. There are next to zero deterrents, "everybody does it", "everybody knows how", and it is "no big deal".





     Do you honestly think humans would pay good money for food if it was equally easy to just grab the same food for free all the time and it was only minorly socially unacceptable?????




    1. The people in washington are (mostly) a bunch of old fat white men who barely understand the internet or anything technical. They are nerd-morons.



    2. We have gone from a world where 'hacking' and 'piracy' is something a rare fringe group of people participate in, to a world where just about every teenager is flagrantly breaking federal laws just because they want free smack & don't want to pay for it.



    3. Hackers and/or internet "pirates" have gotten wildly more brazen recently. Going so far as to even openly attack corporations & governments. This is not about where you stand on the issue(s) that caused said individuals to act. Merely that they are & affecting millions of people.



    4. Online associated (or data associated) crimes are fast becoming the #1 and best target for criminals -> organized or otherwise.









    And this problem is only getting worse, much, much worse. The younger the age group, the more it is "acceptable".










     I have been an adult in a professional career path for 20 years. Only recently (the last 2-3 years) have I seen young professional adults coming into the industry thinking it is somehow "OK" to be breaking federal laws (pirating) while ON THE JOB.







     One of our most recent professional co-workers actually brought a microsoft key-generator TO WORK!







    It is this kind of change in the cultural environment that has older adults backpedaling haistily and considering extreme measures like SOPA or PIPA.










    Don't get me wrong.














    I, personally, think SOPA and/or PIPA is probably a bad idea.














    I think musicians and actors are paid FLAGRANTLY too much for their "art", anyways.














    I think movie theaters gouge you like a pig at a carnivore festival










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    I think big corporations are the suck and the federal governament (US) is a laughingstock.














    BUT







    Please try and see it from the opposite end of the coin.







    Try to see this from a non-geek perspective.














    Not because the perspective is somehow "correct", but because THEY the OLD people... and all the OLD peeps are in *congress*.














    (their POV)










    ID theft is the #1 crime










    Organized crime is now heavily involved in the internet







    Digital piracy is rampant










    Wikileaks publishes *classified* information










    Anonymous attacks companies, breaks laws flagrantly, and thumbs its nose at the government







    LOLsec..... dont get me started. and they couldn't even remove their website










    They are being  reactive not proactive.







    We want them to sit down, shut up, and go back to fixing (lllllaaaawwwwwlll!) the debt, right?







    So lets figure out a way to try and fix the abovementioned problems FOR them.. since we know how to do it better.










    Because if you are *not* going to police and punish piracy appropriately, then you might as well make it legal.







    And if you think THAT is a good idea. ... .. .. .. ... then ... .... ... wow.






     




     



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  • socalsk8trsocalsk8tr bakersfield, CAPosts: 65Member

    It won't matter if the united state's passes it or not the fact of the matter is other countries do not share the same anti piracy or intelectual property law's as us here in the united state's its another waste of money our government is going to put out to put us in further debt and cripple its economy more. I watch pirated movies online all the time and play pirated games as well and nearly all the websites I visit and do these things on are not based in the united states there fore the united state's has no jurisdiction over them.

     

    The only thing they can try to do is block of some parts of the internet like some countries like north korea and like when in Egypt they shut down internet access and we all saw what happend with egypt when it did. Here in the united states the economy is already at a boiling point and extremely unhappy with the way our government is being run its pretty much about 75% controlled by major corparations buying political votes from politician's making them vote one way or another through campaign contribution and investment deals.

     

    Let them try let them waste more american tax dollars on things that don't concern the average american in the least were just as fed up with our country as everyone else out there that complains about our country they keep kicking this dog while were down and sooner or later were bound to turn around and snap and bite at them.

  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöPosts: 17,982Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by ForumTroll

    I'm too lazy to actually read the bill so I will just say this. No matter how many citizens or companies oppose this it is ultimately up to the elected officials. So getting our panties in a bunch over what this bill "could" mean or "does" mean is pretty useless. I know that I will not be letting this effect and part of my life, nor will it keep me up at night worried for my life. If i broke down and thoroughly disected every bill in legislation, it still wouldn't change a damn thing.

    The simple fact is Piracy DOES need to be stopped and if it takes one failed bill or some kind of mistake in order to better mend the future of the internet then so be it. You cant make a beef stew without slaughtering a few cows first. Eventually PETA will step in and be like wait wait wait a minute. At least kill them repectfully!

    Restricting freedom of speach is never a good idea no matter how good your reasons for it might sound.

    And just letting whatever happens because regular people can't have a say is a misstake. The elected official gets elected by us and if enough people protest they often do as their voters want because otherwise they wont get re-elected.

    The internet does not get better because governments censors it, censorship is worse than piracy and can lead to pretty nasty stuff in the long run. If you give a goverment the right to censor the net as it see fitting that will happen sooner or later and once it started you can't stop it.

    There are better ways to stop piracy than to censor things. They have tried to close down sites like piratebay a long time and even if they would succeed it still wouldn't stop pirates. Here is Sweden most people don't download music anymore because we got a good legal alternative instead in Spotify. People don't pirate copy MMOs because you pay for server space instead of just the game. Companies needs to think like that instead of just raising their prices and blame piracy.

  • GravargGravarg Harker Heights, TXPosts: 3,332Member Uncommon

    *Uploads copyrighted pictures to every game site for signature*

     

    Next day

     

    *no more gaming sites, since the government shut them all down*

     

    yeah that isn't cool.

     

    And you can forget using usernames of your favorite characters...those will get the sites taken down too lol.  ridiculous



     

  • Cody_RauhCody_Rauh Colorado Springs, COPosts: 63Member

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhwuXNv8fJM&feature=g-all-u&context=G27277feFAAAAAAAAGAA

    Educate yourself on SOPA and PIPA. 

     

    I say stop both no question about it!

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