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Seems like the game has peaked on XFire

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  • DarLorkarDarLorkar Texarkana, TXPosts: 702Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by zymurgeist

     






    Originally posted by DarLorkar

    Then it must be the one about x-fire can show trends in the whole game?




     

    Can it? Sure, a broken clock is right twice a day. Can it be relied upon to show trends correctly? Not at all.

    It's like saying the Amish, God bless them, can be accurate predictors of fashon trends. I mean they wear clothes right? Unless your fashon trend is towards black and white clothes it's not going to agree.

    A representative selection of an entire population doesn't come from  a distinct subset and it's never self selected.

     

    Hey a clock that is working is right twice a day as well.. as well as at other times:P

    So who knows if it is working right , broke or just working sometimes?:P

    So you folks take your "

    A representative selection of an entire population doesn't come from  a distinct subset and it's never self selected.

    Or your unbiased scientific not self selected..

    Oh wait, you do not have any:)

    So i guess we will take what we have and use it, ok?

     

  • waynejr2waynejr2 West Toluca Lake, CAPosts: 4,474Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Yamota

    You statistic nerds can go on and on about XFire not being relevant bla bla bla. Yet it is showing, in the last couple of weeks, a steady decline playing WoW.

    Hmmm.... I wonder if that could have anything to do with the huge popularity of another very similar MMORPG being released in those very same two weeks. Naw... that is probably just a pure coincidence because XFire is completely irrelevant. Right.... image

    Just because you cant prove something does not mean it is irrelevant. There is a thing called inductive reasoning and inductive probability which can be used for reasoning even though it is not a scientific method. No one is trying to do a science experiment here...

    Sometimes you have to make do with the data you got. Only alternative is not to do anything at all and you nay-sayers are perfectly welcome to do just that.

    I like how it shows 0 played the day before EA and goes up on release day.  Naturally, x-fire must be making that up and therefore it's useless.

  • PelaajaPelaaja HevonkuusiPosts: 697Member

    Originally posted by russellb1975

    Whats Xfire? Is it another program that runs in the background utilizing system resources while I play my game making it slower? No thanks.

    Don't take this personally, but we live Google Times.

    This arguement got old years ago, but you kind of made your cool point.

    P.S. If background programs make your puter go slow, you need to get to 21st century image

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  • imp0imp0 Wilmington, NCPosts: 54Member

    bro it's 2012 everyone has like 8 gb of ram lol. xfire takin up 13 mb right now

  • dubyahitedubyahite Lincoln, NEPosts: 2,483Member
    Ok, well, considering as how the original premise of this thread (that tor had peaked on xfire) was not even true, can we please just bury thisthread and get over it?

    Didn't think so. Xfire statistics are crap. They are worse than crap. They are the crap of the crap.

    Anyone who thinks they are useful has blinders on. The numbers are meaningless. Its crap. Stop this silly argument about stupid software that doesn't mean anything.

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  • DarLorkarDarLorkar Texarkana, TXPosts: 702Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by dubyahite

    Ok, well, considering as how the original premise of this thread (that tor had peaked on xfire) was not even true, can we please just bury thisthread and get over it?



    Didn't think so. Xfire statistics are crap. They are worse than crap. They are the crap of the crap.



    Anyone who thinks they are useful has blinders on. The numbers are meaningless. Its crap. Stop this silly argument about stupid software that doesn't mean anything.

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  • red_cruiserred_cruiser Milwaukee, WIPosts: 472Member Uncommon

    Personally, I'd love to see SW:TOR fail.  EA BioWare doesn't deserve success for this product.  I'd rather see Funcom, Arena.net, and Carbine Studios get the players. 

  • ktanner3ktanner3 lakeland, FLPosts: 4,074Member Common
    We know that you want tto see it fail as do several others. But thanks for confirming what we already knew. When you cut through the BS, that is reallly all this hating is about.

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  • ethionethion Clearwater, FlPosts: 2,878Member Uncommon

    The number to really focus on is the number of unique players not minutes played per day.  Any new game will have a much higher than normal minutes played as people are playing a lot leveling up.  Rather look at the number of players.  Looking at that statistic there has been a gradual increase in numbers with yesterday being the highest count yet at 10,843.  It has only just recently broken through 10k.  By comparison wow was around 19k.  Wow numbers seems to have been going down a bit maybe some wow players are checking out swtor?  

    In any event it is clear that swtor is doing very well.  The real question will be can it continue to do well.

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  • gaeanprayergaeanprayer Somewhere Out There, PAPosts: 2,320Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by red_cruiser

    Personally, I'd love to see SW:TOR fail.  EA BioWare doesn't deserve success for this product.  I'd rather see Funcom, Arena.net, and Carbine Studios get the players. 

    What.

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  • tom_goretom_gore TamperePosts: 1,796Member Uncommon

    SWTOR today has the HIGHEST Xfire played hours since launch!

     

    Good thing Xfire stats are completely unreliable and meaningless, right?

     

  • PelaajaPelaaja HevonkuusiPosts: 697Member

    Originally posted by dubyahite

    Ok, well, considering as how the original premise of this thread (that tor had peaked on xfire) was not even true, can we please just bury thisthread and get over it?



    Didn't think so. Xfire statistics are crap. They are worse than crap. They are the crap of the crap.



    Anyone who thinks they are useful has blinders on. The numbers are meaningless. Its crap. Stop this silly argument about stupid software that doesn't mean anything.

    I don't think we should, dub.

    The title actually serves the purpose if you don't set it to any certain date but continue following the latest peak. And the graph is favorable to SW:TOR anyway, which makes it even more interesting. Had it dropped from initial launch it would've been really boring and just another over hyped cashcow. Now it has, at least, room for discussion about it's future.

    And crap or no crap, it can be used with other statistics to discuss about it and speculate.

    EDIT: a new peak for 2nd January 2012: 80742

    It's good there wasn't a decline, it would've been a really bad sign. But the climb could've been a bit steeper, I think.

    Well, next weekend is supposedly a normal weekend and isn't it 3rd week since launch?

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  • MetentsoMetentso BarcelonaPosts: 1,436Member Common

    Originally posted by ethion

    The number to really focus on is the number of unique players not minutes played per day.  Any new game will have a much higher than normal minutes played as people are playing a lot leveling up.  Rather look at the number of players.  Looking at that statistic there has been a gradual increase in numbers with yesterday being the highest count yet at 10,843.  It has only just recently broken through 10k.  By comparison wow was around 19k.  Wow numbers seems to have been going down a bit maybe some wow players are checking out swtor?  

    In any event it is clear that swtor is doing very well.  The real question will be can it continue to do well.

    That makes sense. 11,627 yesterday, it's going up like a rocket.

    I guess people saying that xFire stats are not and indication of number of players, must be thinking that the existing players are installing xFire like crazy, lol.

  • LeucentLeucent Penticton, BCPosts: 2,371Member

    Originally posted by tom_gore

    SWTOR today has the HIGHEST Xfire played hours since launch!

     

    Good thing Xfire stats are completely unreliable and meaningless, right?

     

    They mean shit. We all know it s doing well by logging in and seeing most servers High or Full with waits. Thats alot better indication then a program that literally no one uses.

  • kegtapkegtap Salem, MAPosts: 261Member

    It's my fault sorry everyone I was away for the holidays. You should now see a major spike in the numbers with all my alts!

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  • ShivamShivam MilanPosts: 465Member

    Originally posted by tom_gore

    SWTOR today has the HIGHEST Xfire played hours since launch!

     

    Good thing Xfire stats are completely unreliable and meaningless, right?

     

    Yes unreliable and meaningless.

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  • JackdogJackdog Charleston, SCPosts: 6,344Member

    You won't see me on XFire but I just can't stand it any longer, gonna have to buy this sucker this afternoon. I held off at launch because A) I was burned out after a year of betaing B) I was dissapointed in the space combat C) I knew it would be que city during launch and Christmas and wanted to save myself the anoyance D) I was busier than a cat trying to cover it's poop in the middle of a asphalt parking lot the last couple of weeks. But today we just had our first really cold day and I just can't stand it any longer. See you guys ingame, gotta run to Wally World anyway

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  • LidaneLidane Austin, TXPosts: 2,300Member

    Originally posted by tom_gore

    SWTOR today has the HIGHEST Xfire played hours since launch!

    Good thing Xfire stats are completely unreliable and meaningless, right?

    Actually, yes. They ARE unreliable and meaningless. And I say that as a fan of SWTOR who's been playing since June.

    Until the first free month ends and people actually start getting charged sub fees, everything else before then is total speculation. That includes XFire.

  • DarLorkarDarLorkar Texarkana, TXPosts: 702Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Lidane

    Originally posted by tom_gore

    SWTOR today has the HIGHEST Xfire played hours since launch!

    Good thing Xfire stats are completely unreliable and meaningless, right?

    Actually, yes. They ARE unreliable and meaningless. And I say that as a fan of SWTOR who's been playing since June.

    Until the first free month ends and people actually start getting charged sub fees, everything else before then is total speculation. That includes XFire.

    Can agree finally:P

    Like my first post in this topic. Way to soon to see anything when looking for trends. Need time and, well, trends to look at :)

    Trends are not a couple days, but over weeks, and for low overall numbers like x-fire, months are better.

  • tryklontryklon PortoPosts: 1,370Member Uncommon
    It seems the game didnt yet peaked after all. It now has more than 11,5k xfire users and it shows it keeps growing. Op theory was wrongafter all

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  • TalinTalin West Babylon, NYPosts: 824Member

    Originally posted by tryklon

    It seems the game didnt yet peaked after all. It now has more than 11,5k xfire users and it shows it keeps growing. Op theory was wrongafter all

    Tinfoil hat failure? Xfire spitting out flawed statistics? The world may never know...

  • NipashnakaNipashnaka shepherdstown, WVPosts: 169Member

    Originally posted by Thillian

    Originally posted by jmcdermottuk

    Or maybe less people are using Xfire? I don't. I've always thought Xfire is the worst way of tracking MMO populations because not everyone uses it. It's irrelevant.

    Noone uses it? It says 20.000.000 accounts registered and currently there're 130.000 players online. That IS A GARGANTUAL SAMPLE SIZE, in terms of statistics. This is far more accurate than any "election estimates, which are made on 1.000 sample size". Xfire operates at maybe 0.02% deviation,  it is as accurate as mathematics can be. There might be a discussion about what sort of players tend to use x-fire more often than others, but for what it is, it is extremely accurate.

     

    Difference is that for election estimates they use what's known as a representative sample. And they go to great pains to achieve that. Xfire is a self-selecting sample, so it's not even a random sample and it's certainly not a representative sample either.

    All Xfire trends tell you is trends amongst Xfire users. Which may or may not be useful.

  • VhalnVhaln Chicago, ILPosts: 3,159Member

    Originally posted by tryklon

    It seems the game didnt yet peaked after all. It now has more than 11,5k xfire users and it shows it keeps growing. Op theory was wrongafter all

     

    If I'm reading the graph correctly, it spiked on a saturday?

     

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  • tryklontryklon PortoPosts: 1,370Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Vhaln

    Originally posted by tryklon

    It seems the game didnt yet peaked after all. It now has more than 11,5k xfire users and it shows it keeps growing. Op theory was wrongafter all

     

    If I'm reading the graph correctly, it spiked on a saturday?

     

    Do mouseover, it's Jan 2, so, monday.

    But the fact there is not even the graph because it only shows hours played, and it can for example show no increase of players but only an increase of hours played. But what is happening there is that the number or players is increasing daily, not only the hours played. So that brings down the theory that the game already peaked

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  • LidaneLidane Austin, TXPosts: 2,300Member

    Originally posted by DarLorkar

    Can agree finally:P

    I've been saying it since the beginning. That's just common sense.

    Numbers before the end of the first month are pointless. Also, XFire is a crap statistical model and tool. Both of those things are true. 

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