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Star Wars: The Old Republic: The Staff Roundtable Review

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  • alexminoalexmino davenport, IAPosts: 132Member

    OMg i can't beleive you are rating this game higher than GW2!?!?!?!

  • besteverbestever prescott, AZPosts: 732Member

    Agree with danny. The only one with some brains that doesn't let the mask fool him.

  • Moaky07Moaky07 Flushing, MIPosts: 2,096Member

    Originally posted by Timacek

    I support Danny Wojcicki.

    we'll all see just how much staying power the game has over the next few months

    If we are supporting Danny, on his finding a new occupation, I am all for it. Comes across as a sandbox fan, rather than giving a somewhat unbiased opinion. The game isnt some buggy POS ala SWG, there is plenty of content, the world is amazing, and the VO knocks it our of the park.

     

    I like the way Game Informer magazine has their grading scale laid out. A 7 is your average game, with the intervals of a half point. About 1 to 2 games a yr make a 10 rating. Saying this game rates a 6 is a joke. It belongs somewhere in the 8 to 9 range according to the criteria used by GI.

     

    I would give it an 11 out of 10, as after 5 yrs, it got me to playing MMOs again. Yes that is 11. :)

     

    Then again, I know I am a fanboy, and in reality the game belongs in the 8 to 9 range as I stated prior.

    Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.

  • besteverbestever prescott, AZPosts: 732Member

    Originally posted by onehunerdper

    No offense, I love Star Wars, but this game is on the level of Rift.  It's not really anything new.  It looks great, the story is amazing, but then what? A successful MMO is built on endgame.  Nothing that Bioware sells this game on will stay fresh and exciting after you've done the engame over and over again.  I see this going the way of Rift and DC Universe, great looking game, will probably get a lot of converts, but will sputter for years on the hopes and dreams of Star Wars fans and those bored with every other tired game on the market.  Then every time there's a "new" game a little chunk of it's player base will leave for greener pastures. 

    Hopefully some truly revolutionary game will come along that lets you actually do epic things. I mean come on there are lots of things to add and combine all together for an epic feel:

    Moving combat, aimed attacks, epic quests for actual prestige, player housing, player built cities that can be destoryed, in game wars on massive NPC scales that effect land control, not having everything instanced, single server gaming, guild cities, player run governments, environemnts being changed by the decisions of the faction, no dragons, acts of God (tornadoes, wild fires, hurricanes), flucuating animal populations actually affected by player hunting, crafting actually effecting the strength of your side, evolving tactics, smarter AI, heck even human controlled AI, unrestricted skill trees, npc organizations that evolve with the territory, non static NPC involment for Christ sake, single completion quests for in game stats, rotating exploration discoveries, world mysteries that evolve (Google exists, why don't we try and change things up so people can't just google it), naval warfare, actual space combat, planetary invasions, land sea and air co-ops, environmental faction bonuses, game changing events on a massive scale, fast travel that makes sense and actually requires important objects or costs something, so much content, so well done, that you don't need a mount, non static NPC movements, better damage to death ratios (I mean really 20 strikes with a lightsaber or blaster on a Jawa/animal?!), and on and on and on.

    I mean these aren't all good ideas but in some form or fashion to some degree something needs to be done. These games have gotten stale.  I don't have all the answers but I wish someone at these freaking companies with millions of dollars would try something new and do it well instead of the safe plays we've been handed and everyone saying it's the second coming of Christ every single time it's realeased LOL.




     



    Sad part is rift is better and trion atleast tried harder. Oh and trion wasn't afraid to let people try their game pretty much before it even came out. Why is that no one else will do this guess they don't support their game like trion does, you might not like rift but at least they let you find that out with out having to pay for it.

  • BattlerockBattlerock Youngstown, OHPosts: 1,393Member
    Wow has spoiled everyone, its that simple, what's not simple is pulling wow off its high horse, after a few days in swtor pandas are not sounding to bad for all I get with wow I can deal with pandas, I would have thought one of these producers would have looked at wow and just said that's what I want when I develop and release a game, everyone has just failed when it comes to dethroning the king, long live wow, For The Horde baby! Two big games of 2011 and they don't even come close to the 800 pound gorilla world of warcraft, Rift = stiff as a board and Swtor is a creaking single player game with a,few chances for some co op and poor pvp, hey at least its sw themed right? No thanks jokers I will take the real deal, I will take wow.
  • meat_eatermeat_eater ATLANTA, GAPosts: 9Member

    Originally posted by cippalippa

    Wish there where more honest  videogame journalist like Danny, all the othere reviewers just lost credit to my eyes, and i will never believe them again.




     

    I agree. 

  • besteverbestever prescott, AZPosts: 732Member

    Originally posted by KingofHartz

    Wow has spoiled everyone, its that simple, what's not simple is pulling wow off its high horse, after a few days in swtor pandas are not sounding to bad for all I get with wow I can deal with pandas, I would have thought one of these producers would have looked at wow and just said that's what I want when I develop and release a game, everyone has just failed when it comes to dethroning the king, long live wow, For The Horde baby! Two big games of 2011 and they don't even come close to the 800 pound gorilla world of warcraft, Rift = stiff as a board and Swtor is a creaking single player game with a,few chances for some co op and poor pvp, hey at least its sw themed right? No thanks jokers I will take the real deal, I will take wow.

     



    Sad fact more people are jumping from wow and coming to rift, since that panda move. My brother has played wow for over 6 years and has walked away and loves rift because it reminds him of vaniila. I know rift didn't change much but I enjoy it more then wow and its static world. As always just opinions nothing more.

  • besteverbestever prescott, AZPosts: 732Member

    Originally posted by meat_eater



    Originally posted by cippalippa



    Wish there where more honest  videogame journalist like Danny, all the othere reviewers just lost credit to my eyes, and i will never believe them again.










     

    I agree. 




     



    Agree sir

  • Happyguy83Happyguy83 Phoenix, AZPosts: 264Member

    Originally posted by bestever



    Originally posted by meat_eater










    Originally posted by cippalippa









    Wish there where more honest  videogame journalist like Danny, all the othere reviewers just lost credit to my eyes, and i will never believe them again.






















     





    I agree. 










     





    Agree sir

    I know I mean reviews are only honest when they match up with your opinion right?

  • besteverbestever prescott, AZPosts: 732Member



    Originally posted by Happyguy83




    Originally posted by bestever










    Originally posted by meat_eater






















    Originally posted by cippalippa



















    Wish there where more honest  videogame journalist like Danny, all the othere reviewers just lost credit to my eyes, and i will never believe them again.














































     













    I agree. 






















     













    Agree sir

    I know I mean reviews are only honest when they match up with your opinion right?






     





    No not at all and these reviews are just opinions. None of them are right but I will agree with the opinion that is close to mine and danny hit the nail on the head, you might not feel that way and thats ok.



     

  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel houston, TXPosts: 7,277Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by bestever



    Originally posted by Happyguy83






    Originally posted by bestever












    Originally posted by meat_eater
























    Originally posted by cippalippa





















    Wish there where more honest  videogame journalist like Danny, all the othere reviewers just lost credit to my eyes, and i will never believe them again.

    I agree. 







    Agree sir

    I know I mean reviews are only honest when they match up with your opinion right?


     

    No not at all and these reviews are just opinions. None of them are right but I will agree with the opinion that is close to mine.

    Which... doesn't make it any more "honest" then the others... now does it?  Since when does "honest" mean "close to what I think about the game"?     In that case, the other "reviews" would be "honest" to me.   

     

    In truth, they are all "honest" opinions...  and pretty indicative of what you see with the game currently.  A lot of people like it.. some don't.  

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  • JoeyMMOJoeyMMO SomewherePosts: 1,326Member

    Originally posted by alexmino

    OMg i can't beleive you are rating this game higher than GW2!?!?!?!

     What are you talking about? GW2 isn't out yet, so how could they review it already?

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  • TalemireTalemire Clearwater, FLPosts: 756Member

    Originally posted by eric_w66

    The one comment here that I have to wonder about is "Combat was bland and unoriginal".

    Easy to say, hard to follow up with a combat system that is "flavorful and original". It's all been done before, so how can something be original when our input systems are keyboard/mouse and sometimes joystick/gamepad? Seriously? How many ways can you make a combat system with those tools? FPS vs turn based, tab targetted vs "aimed" (ala skyrim/fallen earth). What would the reviewer DO to make combat "original"?

    Griping about something no one can change is a bit silly. Unless, of course, he has the next big idea that NO ONE thought of in 31 years of PC gaming.

    There are plenty of other ways to deliver a new and flavorful combat system. What are you referring to is called lack-luster development. I'm not a big overhead clicker (Diablo-style) type gamer, but look at that Lineage Eternal game that's being worked on. Mouse-drawing your swings? That's new. GW2 apparently throwing some twitch into their combat? Something we rarely ever see. Auto-attack and ability mashing while dealing will global cool downs and such? Almost every single game that hits the shelves. I'm getting a bit tired of it too. There are more ingredients to a solid/smooth combat system than just "how it's done," there's a certain feel factor that has to be considered that makes gameplay feel "right." +1 Danny.

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  • JoeyMMOJoeyMMO SomewherePosts: 1,326Member

    Originally posted by meat_eater



    Originally posted by cippalippa

    Wish there where more honest  videogame journalist like Danny, all the othere reviewers just lost credit to my eyes, and i will never believe them again.










     

    I agree. 

     What is wrong with reviewers coming to an 8.25 average? Would you really rate it much lower when you take the rating of the other games into account? That's still worse than the site rating of Aion, but better than the one WoW got. While that rating might be slightly inflated, I don't see that as a reason to say they lost all credibility, especially if you actually read what they have to say about the game. Tastes will differ, that's all.

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  • fonyfony hempstead, NYPosts: 755Member

    Originally posted by JoeyMMO

    Originally posted by meat_eater




    Originally posted by cippalippa



    Wish there where more honest  videogame journalist like Danny, all the othere reviewers just lost credit to my eyes, and i will never believe them again.










     

    I agree. 

     What is wrong with reviewers coming to an 8.25 average? Would you really rate it much lower when you take the rating of the other games into account? That's still worse than the site rating of Aion, but better than the one WoW got. While that rating might be slightly inflated, I don't see that as a reason to say they lost all credibility, especially if you actually read what they have to say about the game. Tastes will differ, that's all.

    i love MikeB, great buy. but damn...9/10 review and yet we get this post now.

     

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/336609/page/1

    not to mention the rave reviews of Warhammer Online when that came out. got much of the same scores as TOR. 9/10's, 5/5's etc.

  • ScalebaneScalebane La Junta, COPosts: 2,225Member

    remember when people just played games they liked?

    now we argue about games more then play them it seems :P

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  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,462Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by docwalker





    3.Beta testers must have spent their time playing with their eyes closed.










     

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion so I have no issues with how people rate the game.

    However, I do have an issue with the above comment.

    Don't go ragging on Beta testers. Don't.

     

    All they do is test. That's it. They don't have any other power other than reporting things. Will they get fixed? Who knows. Whill things change? Who knows. But they don't have power to do anything other than give suggestions and report.

    I don't say this as a Beta tester for SWToR but as a Beta tester for the now forgotten" game of Masters of Orion III. What was supposed to be an amazing follow-up to MOO II. The Beta testers screamed and shouted and reported and what was released was garbage.

     

    Beta testing is a thankless job as no one says "hey, the game is great and things run well: NICE JOB Beta testers.

    I have no doubt, after being in the closed beta of LOTRO that the Beta testers did their job and did their job well. And probably with a lot of passion.

     

    It was up to Bioware to take that info and do with it as they would. *raises a glass to the Beta testers*

     

     

    oh, for the record I give the game a solid 8. Just because I'm really enjoying myself.

  • DarLorkarDarLorkar Texarkana, TXPosts: 708Member Uncommon

     What is wrong with reviewers coming to an 8.25 average? Would you really rate it much lower when you take the rating of the other games into account? That's still worse than the site rating of Aion, but better than the one WoW got. While that rating might be slightly inflated, I don't see that as a reason to say they lost all credibility, especially if you actually read what they have to say about the game. Tastes will differ, that's all.

    i love MikeB, great buy. but damn...9/10 review and yet we get this post now.

     

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/336609/page/1

    not to mention the rave reviews of Warhammer Online when that came out. got much of the same scores as TOR. 9/10's, 5/5's etc.

    We (I) have to give them a little slack. They did say this is NOT a real review, that that would be coming later. So it is their OPINION right now.

    So the above and some i have ragged on have a cause to poke at me anyhow:P This is not reviews, even though from the way it was presented with the scores it sure looked and sounded like some.

    I still say that if you are going to give anything a score, you need to have something to compare it too, and not get too carried away with the high scores. Have the high scores mean something, when they are used.

    I expect a high score game to be something near perfect and special. Not just the latest release.

  • Amphib_IanAmphib_Ian cayce, SCPosts: 170Member

    I just have to clarify the statement expressed at the end of the 6/10 reviewer. It's great for NEO star wars fans. (i.e. fans of episodes 1-3. read: fans of force unleashed, fans of the new direction the star wars franchise has taken in this new millenia and not necessarily fans of the original trilogy, where being a jedi and having the force doesn't mean something, isn't special or exotic, isn't untamed nor incapable of pulling star destroyers down from space, where the technology of the future was WORSE and surprisingly more ineffectual than the technology of the past, where all smugglers are cliched stereotypes of han solo who wouldn't even be born for thousands of years, where half the playable classes use lightsabers because they are distributed at birth along with immunization vaccine shots, where bounty hunters make boba fett look like an amatuer, where sandbox is frowned upon compared to themeparks just like real life.) just wanted to clarify. next generation star wars fans, not old school ones per se.

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  • coomscooms phoenix, AZPosts: 219Member

    Im with danny on this one. I am personally already done with the game...It just doesn't feel innovative enough. I don't want to play wow. there is a reason i stopped playing wow 9 months ago. It has room to grow and there are some things that can make better but right now  I am looking at gw2.

     

    Edit: If I was a mmo noobie and I tried wow and then this shortly after I know I would pick swtor over it any day. The game is good but just not for me I suppose.

  • ive82sykoive82syko Midvale, UTPosts: 37Member

    SWTOR is your basic MMORPG, but done better. I was losing faith in the MMO scene with the recent titles, even RIFT was boring. 

    But I have to admit, I am having a lot of fun playing this game, and I'm actually excited to do quests! Just to see the choices I can make and what direction I can take my character. To me this is where the game truimphs!

    Don't get me wrong though, the ques and the shit customer support does suck. But honestly, there hasn't been MMO company that hasn't lacked in CS deparament. As for the ques, they stated that they are working to address those issues. I'm willing to suck it up and deal with it as long as the game remains entertaining.

  • LeviathonlxLeviathonlx Cleveland, OHPosts: 135Member

    I'm enjoying the game as something else to play at the moment but don't find it anything that unique and special. I dislike the lack of creative races and how every race has the same exact model and animation set except for different heads (you can't deny that is laziness on their modelers part). That was a big part that made me dislike Rift and SWToR is no different really since every race basically cna be summed up as 'human with a skin condition'. Thing is there are races that can be Jedi and other classes that speak basic that are not overly human looking such as the Cathar (who are in game). The worlds are neat but feel incredibly constricted and I am following a valley from point A to point B like I did in Aion most the time. The voice acting is cool and it does give the questing less a grindy feel but I do find myself skipping it enough as well to just cut to the chase.

  • Happyguy83Happyguy83 Phoenix, AZPosts: 264Member

    Originally posted by Leviathonlx

    I'm enjoying the game as something else to play at the moment but don't find it anything that unique and special. I dislike the lack of creative races and how every race has the same exact model and animation set except for different heads (you can't deny that is laziness on their modelers part). 

    There is the legacy system and seeing how most romances end in adoption/making babies I see playable Cathars and Torugas in the near future.

  • NameWasTakenNameWasTaken Where Osama isPosts: 132Member

    I agree with Danny Wojcicki. The game, while technically solid and mostly bug free, is just a WoW grind with light sabers. Nothing original, nothing ground breaking, just the same old, same old with a little "schwooom" light saber eye candy.

    Canceled sub, will go back to Skyrim and hope 2012 MMO's, are a bit more innovative.



     

  • Happyguy83Happyguy83 Phoenix, AZPosts: 264Member

    Originally posted by NameWasTaken

    I agree with Danny Wojcicki. The game, while technically solid and mostly bug free, 


     

    I don't get the 6/10 rating.

     

    As someone who wishes to write reviews someday I don't see how one can say, "This is a solid and well made product, but because its like product X its not that great."

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