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TealaTeala SomewherePosts: 7,430Member Uncommon

my friend stopped playing SW:ToR until after launch because he was tired of getting booted from groups.    He did beta, but he is going with a new class so he gets a fresh start.   He is getting kicked from groups because he is not going through the group dialogue choices fast enough!   He said because he is watching the cutscenes play out and it is taking longer than the others people get upset and are kicking him from the group.   How sad is that?

He is also upset that he is getting screwed on lightside points due to never winning rolls.    That is another thing that is making him upset and the reason he is going to wait until after launch when he has more friends that he can play with that will take their time and not rush through the game or strip him of a chance to become attuned to the lightside.

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  • penguinmanepenguinmane Shalimar, FLPosts: 73Member

    im curious if your playing due to your post, that you cancelled the preorder but got the early access?

  • MckiedizMckiediz ParisPosts: 48Member

    Originally posted by Teala

    He is also upset that he is getting screwed on lightside points due to never winning rolls.   

    Well, tell him to not being upset about that, he still has his lightside points even if he loses the rolls

  • TealaTeala SomewherePosts: 7,430Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by penguinmane

    im curious if your playing due to your post, that you cancelled the preorder but got the early access?

    Nope...I am not playing.   I will not play this game, or should I say I will not play this game in its current state.

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  • VidirVidir GothenburgPosts: 944Member Uncommon

    The thing that sux with mmo's is that you must group with people that are not your friends from time to time or maybe most of the time, it sux.

  • GaryMGaryM Rancho Cucamonga, CAPosts: 244Member

    Originally posted by Teala

    my friend stopped playing SW:ToR until after launch because he was tired of getting booted from groups.    He did beta, but he is going with a new class so he gets a fresh start.   He is getting kicked from groups because he is not going through the group dialogue choices fast enough!   He said because he is watching the cutscenes play out and it is taking longer than the others people get upset and are kicking him from the group.   How sad is that?

    He is also upset that he is getting screwed on lightside points due to never winning rolls.    That is another thing that is making him upset and the reason he is going to wait until after launch when he has more friends that he can play with that will take their time and not rush through the game or strip him of a chance to become attuned to the lightside.

    I'm afraid that your friend's experience will not be an isolated case. Unfortunately, the quality of a game's community tends to be inversely proportional to the size of the player base (eg. WoW). Success has its downsides ...

  • helthroshelthros Miami, FLPosts: 1,449Member

    This happened in Guild Wars too. Really, it just comes with the territory of playing an MMO - The quality of people you'll be surrounded with will be a little less than pleasurable.

  • KalferKalfer HappylandPosts: 779Member

    Originally posted by Vidir

    The thing that sux with mmo's is that you must group with people that are not your friends from time to time or maybe most of the time, it sux.

    Well or more so, that there are trappings in place in themepark MMOs that turn other players into hostile problems.

     

     

    ArenaNet are dead on when they say that other players often become a nusance.

     

     

    I can't group with other people on corosaunt because once I am grouping with someone and we need to collect quest items, we need to collect double up the amount. or triple. or quadrouple. Other players keep me from completing the story and the long respawn rates on mobs, quest items and world objects frustrate the experience.

     

    It's standard themepark problems that we've seen since WoW. Somehow they feel more annoying in TOR though. 

  • DarkPonyDarkPony RotterdamPosts: 5,566Member

    Originally posted by Mckiediz

    Originally posted by Teala

    He is also upset that he is getting screwed on lightside points due to never winning rolls.   

    Well, tell him to not being upset about that, he still has his lightside points even if he loses the rolls

    Yeah, one would guess someone with a reasonable amount of exposure to the game would know about that ...

    Ah well. Give him a hug and tell him it's alright; The group conversation didn't accidentily his points anyway.

  • KhrymsonKhrymson Eorzea, MOPosts: 3,090Member

    Originally posted by Teala

     He said because he is watching the cutscenes play out and it is taking longer than the others people get upset and are kicking him from the group.   How sad is that?

    He is also upset that he is getting screwed on lightside points due to never winning rolls.    That is another thing that is making him upset and the reason he is going to wait until after launch when he has more friends that he can play with that will take their time and not rush through the game or strip him of a chance to become attuned to the lightside.

    Yeah, that was expected, cause I had that issue in beta too, though I didn't get kicked very often.  More or less people were getting irate because I wanted to watch the scenes.  This was from those that have run a particular flashpoint multiple times before I showed up.

     

    As for the light and dark side points debacle.  Those you don't lose out on even when grouped.  You will always get the same amount whether solo or in a group, and regardless of who won the roll.  {Basically if you choose the answer that would give you light side points, but the winning roll goes to a player that chose the dark side answer, you still get all light side}

    The numbers that pop up during group conversations are social points. {with the icon that looks like 3 people}  If you win the roll and your character speaks you get 15points, but if you lose the roll you only get 1-5 points.  Or if you win the major story points you can get up to 100 points.  Social points will require tons of grouping or basically farming of flashpoints or grouping through regular questing to earn a ton of, and are only for getting the social sets of gear.

     

     

    Players rushing through conversations and getting irate over a new player wanting to watch the cutscene has always been one of my major complaints from beta too, but unfortunately, the way TOR is set up, I don't see how it can be avoided.  Other than waiting to play a flashpoint or doing elite quests with friends only ~ that will let you watch the cutscenes without being kicked...

  • hupahupa VaasaPosts: 30Member

    As long as there are no forced restrictions on who can play online games, you will always have immature people playing them.

  • Creslin321Creslin321 Baltimore, MDPosts: 5,359Member

    It's a byproduct of the game's design.  Making groups watch cutscenes and giving them the option to skip it...whenever you do that, they are almost always going to want to skip it.  Especially a significant time after release.  If you think it's bad now, wait a few months :).

    Like another poster said, this issue was in Guild Wars as well.

    Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?

  • ZarynterkZarynterk Phoenix, AZPosts: 398Member

    Originally posted by waynejr2

    Originally posted by Teala

    my friend stopped playing SW:ToR until after launch because he was tired of getting booted from groups.    He did beta, but he is going with a new class so he gets a fresh start.   He is getting kicked from groups because he is not going through the group dialogue choices fast enough!   He said because he is watching the cutscenes play out and it is taking longer than the others people get upset and are kicking him from the group.   How sad is that?

    He is also upset that he is getting screwed on lightside points due to never winning rolls.    That is another thing that is making him upset and the reason he is going to wait until after launch when he has more friends that he can play with that will take their time and not rush through the game or strip him of a chance to become attuned to the lightside.

    I love hearsay.

    Got an axe to grind?

     

    Did you not read any of the other comments in this thread??? People who are SWTOR fans (at least by their previous posts) have said this very thing happens... How is it hearsay, when these people just confirmed it? Reading is fundamental buddy =)

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  • KhrymsonKhrymson Eorzea, MOPosts: 3,090Member

    Originally posted by Zarynterk

    Originally posted by waynejr2

    I love hearsay.

    Got an axe to grind?

     

    Did you not read any of the other comments in this thread??? People who are SWTOR fans (at least by their previous posts) have said this very thing happens... How is it hearsay, when these people just confirmed it? Reading is fundamental buddy =)

     

    Didn't ya hear, nobody likes to read or even listen to posts or quests anymore...le sigh

     

     

  • ZarynterkZarynterk Phoenix, AZPosts: 398Member

    Originally posted by Khrymson

    Originally posted by Zarynterk

    Originally posted by waynejr2

    I love hearsay.

    Got an axe to grind?

     

    Did you not read any of the other comments in this thread??? People who are SWTOR fans (at least by their previous posts) have said this very thing happens... How is it hearsay, when these people just confirmed it? Reading is fundamental buddy =)

     

    Didn't ya hear, nobody likes to read or even listen to posts or quests anymore...le sigh

     

     

     

    Im sorry i just skipped right through your commentary... what did you say? ; )

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  • AdamTMAdamTM Frankfurt Am MainPosts: 1,376Member

    Originally posted by Creslin321

    It's a byproduct of the game's design.  Making groups watch cutscenes and giving them the option to skip it...whenever you do that, they are almost always going to want to skip it.  Especially a significant time after release.  If you think it's bad now, wait a few months :).

    Like another poster said, this issue was in Guild Wars as well.

    Its also in Magicka.

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  • FeydawayFeydaway Brea, CAPosts: 122Member

    Ridiculously uncool.  I've run Esselles and Black Talon probably close to 80 times each through all the beta time.  And, I ran it again last night. 

    No way am I going to kick someone for playing and enjoying the game.

    Bad form.

  • AbdarAbdar Thunder Bay, ONPosts: 400Member Uncommon

    Only thing I can recommend is joining a guild.. maybe even an RP guild where story and such is always important aspect of the game.

     

     

  • DLangleyDLangley Beaumont, TXPosts: 1,407Member

    Lets refrain from personal attacks and baiting guys.

  • MalaksbaneMalaksbane HeerlenPosts: 148Member

    Originally posted by helthros

    This happened in Guild Wars too. Really, it just comes with the territory of playing an MMO - The quality of people you'll be surrounded with will be a little less than pleasurable.

    After Factions launched it felt like people were more in a hurry, yes, but you couldn't be kicked from groups, and you couldn't see who skipped cutscenes and who did not.

  • AzureProwerAzurePrower AustraliaPosts: 1,508Member Uncommon


    Originally posted by Teala
    my friend <spacebar>
    He did beta <spacebar>
    He is getting kicked from groups <spacebar>
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    He is also upset that he is getting screwed <spacebar>
    That is another thing that is making him upset <space bar>
    more friends that he can play with that will take their time <spacebar>


    Sorry, trying skip through the dialogue.

    Hmm. What are my choices?

    -Politely Move on(Lightside)
    -Say some thing witty (Neutral) <
    -Flame away (Darkside)


    Response: Your friend needs to play with people that share his play style and ones he can trust not to kick him from groups. Also, you never miss out on lightside/darkside points. Stop spreading misinformation to confuse people.

  • ArglebargleArglebargle Austin, TXPosts: 1,413Member Uncommon

    This sort of thing will happen.  Though really, it's a sign that you probably don't want to group with those folks anyway.  

     

    When teaming up, specify that you want to go through everything.  Get others on the team who want to do the same thing.  Let the Speedy types zip along.

    If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  • Cthulhu23Cthulhu23 Tempe, AZPosts: 994Member

    Originally posted by Feydaway

    Ridiculously uncool.  I've run Esselles and Black Talon probably close to 80 times each through all the beta time.  And, I ran it again last night. 

    No way am I going to kick someone for playing and enjoying the game.

    Bad form.

    That's because it didn't happen.  No way am I going to believe that anyone would kick a person out of the group for letting the dialogue play out, particularly just after launch when many people haven't seen the content.  I tend to doubt this will ever happen, being that people playing this game know that dialogue is just a natural part of it.  However, if it does happen, it's definitely not going to happen right after launch, but rather months down the road after people have been through the content a few times.  

    I call shenanigans. 

  • Artymus77Artymus77 Highland, ILPosts: 140Member

    i look at it like this way, your friend just needs to stop grouping up with dumb idiots like that, and if people are just immature and be like that its just sad to begin with.  Whats the point of playing this game if your not gonna experience the cutscenes.  Just tell him dont quit and dont let idiotcy force him to do what would be fun for him.

  • toddzetoddze no where, OKPosts: 2,155Member

    Originally posted by Cthulhu23

    Originally posted by Feydaway

    Ridiculously uncool.  I've run Esselles and Black Talon probably close to 80 times each through all the beta time.  And, I ran it again last night. 

    No way am I going to kick someone for playing and enjoying the game.

    Bad form.

    That's because it didn't happen.  No way am I going to believe that anyone would kick a person out of the group for letting the dialogue play out, particularly just after launch when many people haven't seen the content. 

    I call shenanigans. 

    This happens wheater you like to believe it or not. Not just in TOR either, like other posters have said its happened in GW also. As the game get a month or so out youll have people re-rolling playing with new people then this problem will get much worse.

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  • zymurgeistzymurgeist Pittsville, VAPosts: 5,211Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by DLangley

    Lets refrain from personal attacks and baiting guys.

     Seriously? The entire premise of the thread is baiting. It's blatantly incorrect purportedly second hand information posted by someone with an obvious agenda who refuses to even play the game. And it's not the first time. If her friend feels so strongly they should post. If you want to read multiple general topics about the unwillingness of people to follow a story line and read text you need look no farther than the general forums. This isn't an issue specific to TOR nor is it any worse. I would say it's actually less of a problem as the novelty hasn't worn off. In months of playing the game I have never been kicked, insulted or even been asked to hurry up. The choices of other players has in no way affected my alignment points, ever.

    "Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

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