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  • StonesDKStonesDK SomewherePosts: 1,805Member

    Originally posted by lizardbones

     




    Originally posted by Starpower





    Originally posted by lizardbones

     








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    Originally posted by Zeppelin4

    I'm confused by all these posts about Diablo 3.  I can play Diablo 3 the same way I played Diablo 2. I login to bnet, make a private server, invite friends and or family and enjoy. The real money AH does not effect me one bit. The only complaint I can see that is valid is the online play only. What I find strange about these complaints here is this site is about online gaming which requires a internet connection. :P










    People are always going to care about what others do one way or another regardless if you understand it or not. Reason for that is simple. People like to compete over things you may deem silly or looser'ish. If person A likes to be the guy with the biggest sword over everybody else. He is going to be mighty upset that  guy B can just spend 5 bucks to get that same sword. Then he no longer has bragging rights of spending a month obtaining something that other guy just got within 10 seconds.

     

    Why should he care? because he likes to compare and contrast to others, based on his ability to spend endless time farming certain items, then reaping the reward by joining public games and one shotting everything, hoping at least 1 guy will send him a tell about how awesome that was

     

    In case it wasn't obvious, I'm mocking the simple minded view of those that don't understand why people are upset about this. The truth is there are several reasons why, not necessarily in relation to strutting your e-peen along side other players












    It still seems a lot like people are complaining about what someone else is doing or going to do, when it doesn't actually affect them.

     






    That's the thing. It does affect those that like to put themselves alongside others, competing on killing effectiveness based on his time spent farming to get to the point he is at. For some, time spent is the defacto that determines rich from poor, l33t from n00b. The social order, status and a variety of other things. Not everybody is going to make private closed games only for their own friends. If i recall correctly there were many public games in Diablo 2 solely made for the reason to show everybody how great you are. How can you do that when people can pay their way to glory.

    It can be hard to grasp I know. Some people just don't want YOU to have as good gear as them without spending the time killing mobs to get it. It takes away their prestige of obtaining said item because they want to compare themselves against YOU. That's why what YOU do matters to them








    Then things are unchanged from Diablo 2. Instead of buying stuff from other players through the game, people were buying stuff from other players through eBay or some other out of game service. There is no real difference between D2 and D3 in this regard.



    Anyone who is using video games to try and increase their self esteem is doomed to failure. The 'Prestige' earned is no more real than the game itself.

     

    I agree

    But buying equipment "illegally" was a way to try and get ahead by "cheating" to a shortcut. In an ideal world for people like me, such a thing would be impossible both sanctioned and unsanctioned. I didn't like it then and I certainly don't like this. I would rather see Blizzard combat illegal RMT even if in vain, than have it sanctioned and embraced

    As for increasing self esteem using video games. Isn't that a large appeal for a lot of gamers?. Those that can't do in real life and all that. Granted I have only been playing MMORPGS and FPS games for 12 or so years but it seems I meet more of those types than anything else.

  • heimdall22heimdall22 StrzelinPosts: 76Member Uncommon

    What I'm really afraid of is overwhelming presence of hacks, bots and cheats as it was the case with Diablo 2.

    I certaintly hope that this time they will be able to deal with that problem way better, but I'm far away from being sure about that.

     

    As for the real cash auction house I really don't know why so many are so upset about it? Items were, are and will be sold for the real money nevertheless, as long as there is supply and demand for it. The only difference is that instead using ebay / third party companies of any sort, now it will go through official Blizzard. Hypocrisy will be gone and I'm all happy for that.

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  • RequiamerRequiamer ???Posts: 2,034Member

     






    Originally posted by heimdall22

     

    Hypocrisy will be gone and I'm all happy for that.



     

    What make you think that the hypocrisy will be gone? That is an honest question here.

    Can you explain me please what kind of hypocrisy is now gone with this system.

     

    Because i honestly don't see any difference if you buy through ebay or blizzard, does it make any difference? it doesn't to me at all. You'll still buy from the same guys/organisations most of the time anyway. So ?

  • nschnsch newyourk, CAPosts: 32Member

    i agree with u.and the real money AH have nothing to do to us .If we do not like that method we just use another method the drop and gold in game .Just play it the way we want and enjoy it.

  • PieRadPieRad Odense MPosts: 1,108Member

    I watched Blizzcon with a virtual ticket, they said, everyone will get a small amount of real money every week, not money which you can withdraw, but to cover the fee for putting stuff on RMAH, this means that everyone have a chance of getting to play with the RMAH at no cost at all.

     

    However, if you plan on using RMAH for more than a few items each week, then you'd have to pay so that you can cover the fee.

     

    How much each account get every week is to be seen, it's pobably not much, but get just 1 sale of a few bucks, and you'll have money on your account for more postings if you wish.

     

     

     

     

    At first I hated the idea of RMAH, but i think it's really clever tbh, chinese farmers are without a doubt gonna spend money to post all their farmed crap, blizz is now getting a piece of that cake.

     

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  • nschnsch newyourk, CAPosts: 32Member

    yeah this RMAH will make diablo3 be more interesting

  • MyrdynnMyrdynn Beaumont, CAPosts: 1,516Member Uncommon

    I love it with the RMAH, I dont have to buy anything, I can sell stuff if I get lucky.  The game will still be the best action game out there, with tons of replayability.  

    I played Diablo single player for 3 yrs, then played D2 for almost 7.  I sold plenty of items for real money, and it was a pain in the ass.  I am glad Blizzard added this feature

     

  • lennpelllennpell madawaska, MEPosts: 109Member

    If they do do the a few free auction things a week it'll be alright, but  I'm not 100% on paypal so I don't know how it'll all go down exactly..

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Arkham, VAPosts: 10,910Member


    Originally posted by lennpell
    If they do do the a few free auction things a week it'll be alright, but  I'm not 100% on paypal so I don't know how it'll all go down exactly..


    You have a certain number of free auctions for the RMAH. The in game auction house probably always costs a certain amount of in game money.

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  • MurlockDanceMurlockDance ParisPosts: 1,223Member

    Originally posted by tavoc

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    Also for those people actualy stupid enough to use the RMAH, How secure will it realy be?? i mean think about it. if alot of real money starts flying around D3 its going to attract hackers.. and fast!! And despite what you may think no mmo company relay has a great track record with game accounts. they are alwayes getting hacked, every day.  So if you have to link a bank acount or paypall or anything to pay for these items.. Guess what? you wake up one day try to log on to D3 only to find out that not only your account is hacked, but your bank 2.

    This is a very legitimate concern in my eyes! Thanks for posting this.

    Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.

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  • jpnzjpnz SydneyPosts: 3,529Member

    Originally posted by MurlockDance

    Originally posted by tavoc

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    Also for those people actualy stupid enough to use the RMAH, How secure will it realy be?? i mean think about it. if alot of real money starts flying around D3 its going to attract hackers.. and fast!! And despite what you may think no mmo company relay has a great track record with game accounts. they are alwayes getting hacked, every day.  So if you have to link a bank acount or paypall or anything to pay for these items.. Guess what? you wake up one day try to log on to D3 only to find out that not only your account is hacked, but your bank 2.

    This is a very legitimate concern in my eyes! Thanks for posting this.

    Why is it a concern?

    Most banks has a physical place where you can produce documents (passport, citizenship, legal papers etc) to prove that it is you.

    Also, just use pre-paid CC if you are that concerned.

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  • MurlockDanceMurlockDance ParisPosts: 1,223Member

    Originally posted by jpnz

    Why is it a concern?

    Most banks has a physical place where you can produce documents (passport, citizenship, legal papers etc) to prove that it is you.

    Also, just use pre-paid CC if you are that concerned.

    I checked into getting pre-paid CCs. My bank does not offer them in an offline fashion i.e. the most secure way of going about buying them. That means I would have to pay for one online, which itself entails having to put my payment details online anyway. There is no real secure way of paying for online services.

    I hope that Blizzard uses the best security possible for the internet, but even so, a dedicated hacker WILL eventually be able to break in if they want to. Something like the RMAH would be a fantastic target and they could potentially rob the CC details of very many people, whether or not these people can later on recoup their money by producing said documents physically to the bank after the fact.

    In the end, someone will have to pay and who do you think that is? Saying that it is the bank who will end up paying for it, well where do they get their money from? They get it from us, their customers, whether the money comes directly out of our accounts or trickles down to us through increased fees, etc. It really is a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul...

    The best way to avoid it is to simply not use the RMAH.

    Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.

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  • Loke666Loke666 MalmöPosts: 17,962Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by MurlockDance

    I checked into getting pre-paid CCs. My bank does not offer them in an offline fashion i.e. the most secure way of going about buying them. That means I would have to pay for one online, which itself entails having to put my payment details online anyway. There is no real secure way of paying for online services.

    I hope that Blizzard uses the best security possible for the internet, but even so, a dedicated hacker WILL eventually be able to break in if they want to. Something like the RMAH would be a fantastic target and they could potentially rob the CC details of very many people, whether or not these people can later on recoup their money by producing said documents physically to the bank after the fact.

    In the end, someone will have to pay and who do you think that is? Saying that it is the bank who will end up paying for it, well where do they get their money from? They get it from us, their customers, whether the money comes directly out of our accounts or trickles down to us through increased fees, etc. It really is a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul...

    The best way to avoid it is to simply not use the RMAH.

    Yeah, the second best is by using a specialist in this as a middleman, like Paypal.

    It is unlikely that paypal would be hacked and Blizzard more or less must support it.

    But yeah, not putting your CC on the net is the only chance to be 100% secure, CCs over the net is a rather bad system.

    You could also have a special bankaccount for online games and other internet trasactions, which you only put money when you have to, it is a bit expensive but is worth it if you buy much stuff online.

  • MurlockDanceMurlockDance ParisPosts: 1,223Member

    Originally posted by Loke666

    Yeah, the second best is by using a specialist in this as a middleman, like Paypal.

    It is unlikely that paypal would be hacked and Blizzard more or less must support it.

    But yeah, not putting your CC on the net is the only chance to be 100% secure, CCs over the net is a rather bad system.

    You could also have a special bankaccount for online games and other internet trasactions, which you only put money when you have to, it is a bit expensive but is worth it if you buy much stuff online.

    The thought process going on in this thread about pre-paid credit cards and Paypal as more secure ways to do online transactions is the same one I had last year when SOE got hacked and EQ2 offlined. Each has its drawbacks though that don't really make them that much, if any more, secure. Paypal is a huge hack target. The more people who use it and believe it is safe, the more likely hackers will go after it unfortunately. I remember Paypal having had problems in the past... somewhere in the mid-2000s.

    It is extremely frustrating, but I think your idea of the special bankaccount is the best one. I came to the same conclusion that that might be the way to go and have a separate bankaccount for just my game subscriptions and the few articles I buy online.

    Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.

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  • nschnsch newyourk, CAPosts: 32Member

    i don't think the real money  AH will stop me from play diablo3 i think just play it in our way will be ok

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