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Star Wars: The Old Republic: Five Not So Great Things About SWTOR

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  • NethermancerNethermancer Toronto, ONPosts: 520Member

    My top 5 are:

    Crafting

    Space Combat

    Character creation

    No Appearance slots

    ............

    i dont even have a fitfh

     

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  • CharSolCharSol ManchesterPosts: 47Member Uncommon

    From what I have experienced so far, the main issue I had was the UI customisation.  I hate side quickbars, I like 4 or 5 at the bottom and I like them rather small.  I had to put side bars on to fit my skills, ally skills and quick items/buffs on and all of a sudden it's so crowded I can't see my character properly.  The chat window is overlapping everything and I can only make it thinner not shorter which renders  my massive monitor practically useless.  The UI  is oversized and bubbly,  that only leaves me a box the size of my hand in the middle in which to actually experience the game world.

    Even just the added fuction of resizing windows or the UI scale as a whole would bring it lightyears ahead.

     

     

    Secondly, the character customisation.  Although I was not completely dismayed by this I was slightly miffed that although there were a lot of options, most of them were so pig ugly or strange looking that I have trouble imagining that anyone would use them.  I don't understand why companies spend so much time making different facial textures and haircuts and even helmet and clothing to some degree, when most is so bad looking I actually feel cruel to my character to think of using it.  They could accomplish so much more with less useless presets and a couple of colour wheels.

  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Dublin, OHPosts: 3,415Member Uncommon

    People always find something to complain about.

    The questing is too easy!  everything is laid out for me!

    The quest nodes are too confusing I can't find where to turn em in!

    I wish they hadn't even added in space combat!

    The space combat they added in sucks horribly!

    I wish you could do a lot of features you could never do on any theme park game and I had unrealistic expectations and now I'm super disapointed and I blame Bioware.

     

    (this is examples of what I see)

  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel houston, TXPosts: 7,277Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Elikal

    Originally posted by maskedweasel

    Pretty much nailed it Mike.  MIght have changed a few of those around in what I believe should be ordered of importance.  (character creation and UI I think should be the highest on the list seeing as how you deal with those for the majority of your playtime, and even in the best case scenario, space combat is only a fraction of your total gameplay).

     

    But I digress.  Good work.  Carry on.

    Weird, I like the UI, only wish we could move the windows around.

     

    That is what i mean,  there really isn't much in the way of customization.   I dislike the windows where they are...   I also dislike the size of some windows,  and after playing for as long as I have, I'm sick of the tutorial window being there,  and the bars on the sides when I'd prefer extra bars on the bottom, or running the length of the screen instead of being masked by overlayed windows.   

     

    I think theres a lot of room for improvement with the UI,  and as its what you deal with the most, I find the ability to change it a high priority.

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  • dominiadominia round rock, TXPosts: 191Member

    A good point was made earlier about what exactly any of you would do with free roaming space flight.

     

    So you're just gonna fly around in the vastness of space? Checking out cool looking planets? That gets really old really fast, just ask Eve.

     

    I would rather them never spend another second on space combat and focus more on story.

     

    Also this was an old beta build (this past weekend) circa Sept. Luckily many of the smaller issues have been fixed and there was a dev quote about opening up the UI API "very soon" after launch.


     

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  • ashlov71ashlov71 Miami, FLPosts: 8Member

    May be true, but it's the best MMORPG to come out in years, and I've played all the major ones.  

  • DhraalDhraal VillachPosts: 40Member Common

    I have played the weekend beta and I am realy disappointed by the character editor. There is theoreticaly enough choice, but the races share hair, heads, scars etc. which reduces the amount of good looking combinations, because in my opinion not all of them fit for all races. I mean for example most of the hair styles for the male Sith pureblood...

  • ShadanwolfShadanwolf Posts: 2,114Member Uncommon

    FOR ME

     

    The deal breaker   (no I'm not buying the game)

     

    24/7 persistent world realm vs realm conflict is  so minimal as to be insignifigant(yes I've heard words...NOT ACTIONS and gameplay that shows Bioware considers it important(rather I interpret the lack of this content in the same way as the child like  instanced pvp...."lets stick some of this pvp stuff in the game to keep some criticism off our backs"....is how I interprt this critical deficiency

     

    So I'm waiting for DOMINUS  or GUILD WARS 2  or ARCHAGE etc

  • RobsolfRobsolf Grand Rapids, MIPosts: 4,250Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Dhraal

    I have played the weekend beta and I am realy disappointed by the character editor. There is theoreticaly enough choice, but the races share hair, heads, scars etc. which reduces the amount of good looking combinations, because in my opinion not all of them fit for all races. I mean for example most of the hair styles for the male Sith pureblood...

    Ha!  I was SO tempted to get the thorniest looking pureblood and give him Beiber hair!  ;P

  • kaliniskalinis Dexter, MEPosts: 1,428Member

    I am a fanboi according ot most of u and even ive said the choices in character creation suck Especially body types. This was a sure thing on this list. 

    The ui not being able to  be resized sucks a bit also. Although im so used to having my entier bottom of screen covered in action bars in wow it dont bother me as much since its all at the bottom of my screen if that ws at the top or middle it would drive me nuts. 

    i cant comment on space havent tried it yet. The sidequest issue hasnt popped up yet as im only a 15 on dromund kaas. I do the questss anyways just to see where the lead so not a big deal to me 

    I never said tor was perfect just that tor is the mos tfun i have ever had in an mmo .

    I hear alot of complaints about textures i dont have any issue there but others have suprised that didnt make list.



    Itemization i dont worry about at low levels. I only start tto worry at max level and thats because they put gates on there content at end game so i have to farm gear. 


     


    I havent made my guy anything to use by crafting or even treid ah i think that may change the options a bit as they stated crafting gives u the most variety as u level and really in beta the ah and craftign for yourself is where ud find that. 

  • player666player666 timisoaraPosts: 8Member

    The only not so great thing about SWTOR for me is the fact that I can't preorder anymore. Fortunatly for me I'm not a game critic so I don't notice/am not bothered by small things like those on the list.

    Oh, and about that space combat thing... Am I the only one that got the 'false impression' it will be a minigame just for fun when BW announced it? I saw many people complaining like they have expected EVE or something...

  • skylherskylher Port Richey, FLPosts: 9Member

    Some of the things i did not like:

    There are alot of abilities that are the same but have different names for differnt classes, so much like character creation, characters also have a similar look and feel

     

    bosses are on timers and anyone can engage with them. This will be a huge problem at release with dumb ass kids griefing and killing them so others cant get the update

     

    quest rewards are inferior to the gear you are already wearing for that level (majority of them are, every now and then you get an upgrade, but its noticeable at the lower levels.

     

    the voice overs for quests are great at first, but really got old after a few hours.

     

    pvp warzones have 10's with 19's in them, which sucked when wow was like that and still does. hopefully they go with the 10-14, 15-19, 20-24 ect.. system wow went to.

     

     

  • dominiadominia round rock, TXPosts: 191Member

    I have my fair share of issues with SW:ToR as much as anyone, but I still can't understand why someone would go into a BioWare game expecting great, balanced pvp?

     

    ToR is a single player RPG in a mmo space. I expect questing and storylines to be great. I expect crafting and pvp to be the equivelant of mini-games at release.

     

    Pvp for me exceeded my expectations, it was fun and a good time killer. Of course though it's nothing compared to DAoC or WAR - but then again why should it be?


     


    Btw the pvp warzones has every level in it, not jsut a level range. When you enter you get the 'bloster' buff which brings your stats inline with everyone else. On my level 18 Smuggler this weekend I was consistantly in the top 5 in damage and kills, even against a few level 25+.

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  • catlanacatlana Houston, TXPosts: 1,677Member

    Originally posted by Anubisan

    I pretty much agree on every point.

    Still, the game is a lot of fun despite these problems.


     

    Yeah, this list is well put together. Character creation and UI (especially target of target) need improvement. I still find the game to be fun thou. 

  • MMOrUSMMOrUS great yarmouthPosts: 414Member

    Why on earth would I worry about character customization when I'm going to be staring at the back of my freaking characters head from day 1?

    So what if I can change the cheekbones or nose length or whatever, I'm not going to see it on a constant basis, if at all, I know some players enjoy messing around with thier characters look, but for me I just press "Random Body/Look" and hope for the best, if I end up with a Danny Devito look then so be it.

    Sidequests! until I read this I didn't realise that some ppl thought of them as a nuisance, I've been so engrossed in the game that it never occured to me that there where even such things as sidequests, guess I'm that immersed in the game that this one has just gone completely over my head.

    I'l agree with you on the UI, but then again once I've gotten used to it I'm not one that likes to use mods to change it, it throws my gameplay out of whack, so I'm happy with whats on offer, it isn't as bad as alot of other games and I find it still very useful.

    Well as far as space combat goes, I hated Elite, I hated EVE and I've disliked every space simulator thats ever been produced, If I wanted to fly spaceships around and shoot other spaceships I would have tried harder at EVE, even the minigame is too much space combat for me, I've gome to SWTOR to be an evil sith lord who wants to crush the rebel scum under my boots, and I'd prefer to do it on the ground thankyou very much.

     

     

  • kaliniskalinis Dexter, MEPosts: 1,428Member

    U realize classes are mirrors.  Sith warrior , jedi knight,  are mirrors although they have some diffrent acting and animatied abilites, Counselor, inquisitor mirrors , inquistior gets lighnight counselor gets telekenetic abilities, So they look and feel iffrent,

    Ia , smuggler are mirrors. Again they have alot of same style abilites but also some that are unique.

    Troooper and bh are mirrors and agina some same some unique abilities. That said we knew this for what 1 yr or more 

    i dont understand the problem?

  • Matticus75Matticus75 Posts: 396Member Uncommon

    Im beginning to think that the MMO industry is becomining a scam

  • ZoeMcCloskeyZoeMcCloskey Phoenix, AZPosts: 1,151Member Uncommon

    I like the list, it would be real similar to my own.

    The part that bothers me most is the customization, I really like to get in-depth with it when possible.  The other thing that really bothered me but I could get past it was the UI.  I really am used to the old standard chatbox on bottom left, I moved it there and it was fine till I grouped with anyone, haha.  So I actually ended up with my chatbox sorta mid-left side of screen, it worked I guess.  But being able to fully modify the UI will be nice if they put that in.  Also being able to change the color scheme.  The actua l design/look of the UI though I loved :)

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  • DhraalDhraal VillachPosts: 40Member Common

    Originally posted by MMOrUS

    Why on earth would I worry about character customization when I'm going to be staring at the back of my freaking characters head from day 1?


     

    In SWTOR you see your char a lot more then in other MMOs. Did you play it? Its like mass effect you will see him/her all the time when you answer dialogs, which is almost during every quest.

  • gboostergbooster Indianapolis, INPosts: 712Member

    Originally posted by Matticus75

    Im beginning to think that the MMO industry is becomining a scam




     

    It's not really a scam, but it is the best way to stop piracy. Someone may eventually make an emu, but that is years away.

  • Raymac26Raymac26 CarmichaelPosts: 24Member

    I'm a bit of a long term Star Wars fanboi. (I even stuck up for Jar Jar for years) So there is nothing in that list that really screams at me to not get this game. It seems from the stuff I've read that the game won't be the masterpiece that I was originally hoping for, but it still looks like a pretty amazing game. Overall, it seems the good outweighs the bad, but I won't know for sure until I dive in and see if it can hook me.

  • ThorqemadaThorqemada BerlinPosts: 1,277Member Uncommon

    UI - is just working fine and i hate to be forced to play the UI game instead of THE GAME game.
    Im am perfectly fine with a good functional non customizable UI.

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  • QuesaQuesa Sacramento, CAPosts: 1,246Member

    Originally posted by Dhraal



    Originally posted by MMOrUS



    Why on earth would I worry about character customization when I'm going to be staring at the back of my freaking characters head from day 1?






     

    In SWTOR you see your char a lot more then in other MMOs. Did you play it? Its like mass effect you will see him/her all the time when you answer dialogs, which is almost during every quest.

    I agree completely.  It would be different if it were RIFT, where you do see the back of your characters head for 99% of your journey, but here you're avatar is constantly used in cut scenes and it would have been nice if they had added a bit more feature to the face.

  • travdotytravdoty modesto, CAPosts: 274Member

    Originally posted by Baikal



     

    Seriously though, yeah, some 2+ heroic's can be soloed if you work at it, but to suggest that none of 'em do, you'd be fairly seriously mistaken, unless of course you significantly overlevel them.

     

    Don't mean to be a grammar nazi, but....

  • QuesaQuesa Sacramento, CAPosts: 1,246Member

    Originally posted by Blutmaul

    UI - is just working fine and i hate to be forced to play the UI game instead of THE GAME game.

    Unbelievably naive statement.  Nobody has ever forced you to install a UI to play a game, unless you gave in and installed it.  

    I've had this discussion in so many threads about standard UIs vs custom UIs.  Custom UIs bring so much to the game they don't have any problem overshadowing the perceived negatives.  The UIs that everyone is fine with today wouldn't be at this state without player-developers creating custom UIs.

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