Despite the many bugs and glitches I experienced, and the fact that to me, this game seems like a single-player game with some forced grouping thrown in just to be a pain in the ass...I have indeed changed my mind and will probably buy it on release.
The cutscenes / story / companions are enough fun to make the stale WoW-formula game play bearable at least for a while...and I think I'll enjoy it solo for as long as it's feasible or until something else releases that I like better.
I was pretty surprised that a game with a budget this big would have such low production quality in terms of graphics and audio...lots of bugs and problems...but in the end, they obviously spent the money in one place, and the cut scenes they dropped in to replace quest text do make a world of difference.
Agree with you Foz, I do. I think we both know what game we're waiting on.
Like you said, SWTOR has enough features to mask the cut and past themepark clone. Its hard to ascvertain if they would of spent more money on graphics and customization would they of been able to get all they have now from the VO/Quest system, my suspicions say no and it would of resulted in an even more greater and glaring WoW clone then it is now.
The PvP, Immersion of the storylines and the character classes themselves are enough for me to want to play for a few months, barring all the little bugs.
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No the beta didnt change my mind. I'm still buying it, I like the themepark formula, I was just tired of the Warcraft setting. The beta may have changed my finace's mind, in that she somewhat regrets signing up for the year package (Diablo 3 ect.) deal for WoW.
Well, I was on the fence. Even though I didn't find it appealing based on videos, I wanted to give a try before deciding for sure. The beta has confirmed that SW:TOR is not for me. I hope it does well though, Blizzard could use some competition to help motivate them.
On the fence about it now. I had pre-ordered the C.E. and was really looking forward to the game, but after playing the beta weekend I've started getting like "buyers remorse" or something already. I'm really not sure what it is, but the game didn't grab me like I think a long term game should, for example how Skyrim does grab you right from the start. I think if you were to strip away the voice over aspect of the game, you've pretty much got a run of the mill MMO.
Will play for the free month then I'll see if i'd actually sub to it. I'd say most reasonable people will approach it that way.
I was pretty much settled for a no-go, seeing all the material in the past months, but was willing to give it one last chance, seeing as it's both Star Wars and Bioware.
However the game did not live up to my lowest expectations, which is quite an achievement in itself. This should have been KOTOR3 instead, but what we get is a clumsy pile of mediocrity.
You know it dawned on me some years ago, that you need to just enjoy life for what it is. in a 100 years all these words we have typed wont be remembered by anyone. we wont even be a memory. we will be some notch on a digital family tree that noone cares about.
So play the game write a book get out and have some sex. save a tree buy a dog. wake up and enjoy it. youth wont last forever man. all this will fade away like tears in the rain.
If you've come to the conclusion that no one cares then why are you posting? Put that in your philosophical pipe Plato.
Back on track, I wasn't hyped about the game and it was pretty much what I expected. I'll be pre-ordering with a few others, I'm guessing it will hold our attention for at least 1-3 months.
PS If you're gonna rip a blade runner quote at least have the decency to cite the source. Can't stand that crap.
From everything I read, I knew the story, dialogue, and characters would be good. And they were even better than I expected. Except the Jedi. Not my thing. Smuggler and Trooper stories were great, though. So I'm more impressed with that aspect than I thought I would be.
But balancing that out, I was even more impatient with the usual questing mechanics than I thought I would be. Still not %100 sure that isn't because I was trying to rush it so I could see more story, get my ship, and see other worlds, though.
$60 for a game I doubt I'll enjoy for more than a month (at very most, two, making the final price for two months $75) seems a bit pricey. I'd pick this game up in a heartbeat for $20 (with free month of course), then I'd pay the $15 if I was still enjoying it in a month. I might pay as much as $30 for the game.
But $60? Hm, I want more than a month or two of enjoyment from a game for $60.
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I admit I've been fairly sceptical throughout development - I didn't think the game would bad or anything, but during the weekend when I finally got to play the game I found myself surprised at how good the game really was and how much I was enjoying myself in spite of bugs. I'm already addicted and can hardly wait for december 15th.
I'm also happy to see people in the game being very positive as well, and the servers continuously being chock-full with people. I hope it's an indication that the game's retention rate will be high.
Only problem is I found several classes that I really liked and now I feel I have to play through all of them to not miss out.
Though I do give everyone the right to bash me over the head with this popst in the future if my prediction of TOR being a very big sustained success for many years turns out to "new toy" syndrom but this the first MMO I've played since WoW that has that feel of quality and longevity.
Are you saying you haven't played any other mmos since WoW? Because I think only someone who is completely new to mmos will find this game interesting.
I've been playing MMOs since UO back in 99 and I love this game (TOR)
Ive been in beta for a while now and I will not be getting the game.
Its an ok game but not what i am looking for in a MMO. If the game didnt have a sub I might pick it up but I honestly dont see it offering enough to justify me paying for a monthly sub.
I changed my mind, but only somewhat. I enjoyed the story a lot. Everything else was exactly as I expected.
I was going to buy the game regardless, since many friends are playing. At least now I will actually want to play, until the end of the story at least.
I still don't think this game would be good for me in the long term. SWTOR is definitely focused more on PvE than PvP, and that's not what I want.
I admit I've been fairly sceptical throughout development - I didn't think the game would bad or anything, but during the weekend when I finally got to play the game I found myself surprised at how good the game really was and how much I was enjoying myself in spite of bugs. I'm already addicted and can hardly wait for december 15th.
I'm also happy to see people in the game being very positive as well, and the servers continuously being chock-full with people. I hope it's an indication that the game's retention rate will be high.
Only problem is I found several classes that I really liked and now I feel I have to play through all of them to not miss out.
Hopefully EA/Bioware/Mythic (whoever is handling the servers) doesn't get too excited like WAR. Anybody who played that on release remembers how many servers they had, and how quickly it dopped, only to leave empty servers...
It is a bad MMO, it has no innovations besides being fully voice acted, which is not very congruent with the genre anyway. It also takes some big steps backwards, the UI, the low-res graphics, the lack of any option but to go down the beaten path. It seems like the game is from 2006.
But it's just such a fun single player game!
What is holding me back is how much money it costs. A game like this should not have a monthly fee.
I have been up and down about the the game. My initial reaction to it after the first beta weekend was fairly positive, however after having another weekend to play it, I found it to be uninspiring and lackluster to say the least. I had a lot of hours to game this weekend, and I will *always* choose an MMO if I have a good one to play. I ended up skipping it in favor of Battlefield 3, mostly because I kept finding myself bored in SWTOR.
Things that bothered me the most:
World feels lifeless - no detail work to make it feel like a living place, static mobs, no day/night, no weather, no sense of 'home away from home', etc. Whole game feels very plastic, contrived and sterile.
Combat was strange - I didn't like all the cartoony mechanics such as the long leaps or tumbles into battle. Did not like the way cover works on the smuggler where I see green ghosts of cover points.
Character animations are horrible, especially the running animation, and characters feel unsubstantial.
This game takes hand-holding to an all new level. One doesn't have to do much thinking to play it. Even the speeder travel system shows/tells you where to go for your quests.
VO quests were mostly fine, but they started getting on my nerves during standard questing. Also, the VO appears to be the main focus of this game, and the gameplay in between was just weak.
There's more, and I could go into lots of detail, but the summary is that the game failed to grab me and pull me into the Star Wars universe. In fact, there is little or no immersion for me at all. It doesn't feel like an MMO to me in that way, not even a themepark, really.
I pre-ordered already, and I was planning to play it for a few months, but now I don't know. I'm not the biggest fan of Rift, but I consider Rift to be a much more engaging experience than SWTOR. I'll probably just get my MMO fix there for now, until The Secret World and GW2 come along next year.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
Love the pve,crafting seems OK,lack of 24/7 persistent world pvp as a major game element was the deciding factor(perhaps when you are a 50) I'm just not paying $60 plus $15/month to see what this aspect of the game might be.
You know it dawned on me some years ago, that you need to just enjoy life for what it is. in a 100 years all these words we have typed wont be remembered by anyone. we wont even be a memory. we will be some notch on a digital family tree that noone cares about.
So play the game write a book get out and have some sex. save a tree buy a dog. wake up and enjoy it. youth wont last forever man. all this will fade away like tears in the rain.
Originally posted by Xondar123 Originally posted by jeremyjodes You know it dawned on me some years ago, that you need to just enjoy life for what it is. in a 100 years all these words we have typed wont be remembered by anyone. we wont even be a memory. we will be some notch on a digital family tree that noone cares about. So play the game write a book get out and have some sex. save a tree buy a dog. wake up and enjoy it. youth wont last forever man. all this will fade away like tears in the rain.
"Time... to die." Well, first you have to pay for it. I read a disappointed Xondar on other forums.
This site is filled with themepark burnouts. Which is fine, but it really gets old when they constantly bash themeparks and TOR specifically, non-stop, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 4 weeks a month, 12 months a year. If they can't find fan posts to pick apart and denegrate, then they're making their own topics, beating the dead horse till it reincarnates into the next big themepark game.
I've been beta testing for over 6 months. I got my CE pre-order in July and am happy to keep it and look forward to enjoying release. It's not the perfect game for me, but it fits me better than anything else out there. Between it and my peaking interest in GW2, I'll have both a nice sci-fi and fantasy MMO to keep me entertained for a long time to come.
I still think swtor is just a generic nothing impressive wow clone, but I still had fun with it, I am probally going to buy the game just because I am so bored, I hope they remove the pvp earnable gear, and add some land control pvp, sort of stupid that with these 2 factions at war and there is no static land control ala daoc.
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A. Proven right (if something bad happens)
or
B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)
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Agree with you Foz, I do. I think we both know what game we're waiting on.
Like you said, SWTOR has enough features to mask the cut and past themepark clone. Its hard to ascvertain if they would of spent more money on graphics and customization would they of been able to get all they have now from the VO/Quest system, my suspicions say no and it would of resulted in an even more greater and glaring WoW clone then it is now.
The PvP, Immersion of the storylines and the character classes themselves are enough for me to want to play for a few months, barring all the little bugs.
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No the beta didnt change my mind. I'm still buying it, I like the themepark formula, I was just tired of the Warcraft setting. The beta may have changed my finace's mind, in that she somewhat regrets signing up for the year package (Diablo 3 ect.) deal for WoW.
Best beta I ever played. Enjoying it alot, preordered.
Nothing special about it.Graphics outdated combat outdated.Nothing new only voice overs but i want gameplay
Well, I was on the fence. Even though I didn't find it appealing based on videos, I wanted to give a try before deciding for sure. The beta has confirmed that SW:TOR is not for me. I hope it does well though, Blizzard could use some competition to help motivate them.
On the fence about it now. I had pre-ordered the C.E. and was really looking forward to the game, but after playing the beta weekend I've started getting like "buyers remorse" or something already. I'm really not sure what it is, but the game didn't grab me like I think a long term game should, for example how Skyrim does grab you right from the start. I think if you were to strip away the voice over aspect of the game, you've pretty much got a run of the mill MMO.
Will play for the free month then I'll see if i'd actually sub to it. I'd say most reasonable people will approach it that way.
I was pretty much settled for a no-go, seeing all the material in the past months, but was willing to give it one last chance, seeing as it's both Star Wars and Bioware.
However the game did not live up to my lowest expectations, which is quite an achievement in itself. This should have been KOTOR3 instead, but what we get is a clumsy pile of mediocrity.
My Guild Wars 2 First Beta Weekend "reviewette" : http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4944570/thread/349125#4944570
If you've come to the conclusion that no one cares then why are you posting? Put that in your philosophical pipe Plato.
Back on track, I wasn't hyped about the game and it was pretty much what I expected. I'll be pre-ordering with a few others, I'm guessing it will hold our attention for at least 1-3 months.
PS If you're gonna rip a blade runner quote at least have the decency to cite the source. Can't stand that crap.
You can also take a taxi through that area.
This weekend beta has not changed my mind. I was right and SWTOR is not my bag.
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So much of the game is centered around forced grouping that soloing is not an option, major design flaw in my opinion.
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From everything I read, I knew the story, dialogue, and characters would be good. And they were even better than I expected. Except the Jedi. Not my thing. Smuggler and Trooper stories were great, though. So I'm more impressed with that aspect than I thought I would be.
But balancing that out, I was even more impatient with the usual questing mechanics than I thought I would be. Still not %100 sure that isn't because I was trying to rush it so I could see more story, get my ship, and see other worlds, though.
$60 for a game I doubt I'll enjoy for more than a month (at very most, two, making the final price for two months $75) seems a bit pricey. I'd pick this game up in a heartbeat for $20 (with free month of course), then I'd pay the $15 if I was still enjoying it in a month. I might pay as much as $30 for the game.
But $60? Hm, I want more than a month or two of enjoyment from a game for $60.
I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals.
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I admit I've been fairly sceptical throughout development - I didn't think the game would bad or anything, but during the weekend when I finally got to play the game I found myself surprised at how good the game really was and how much I was enjoying myself in spite of bugs. I'm already addicted and can hardly wait for december 15th.
I'm also happy to see people in the game being very positive as well, and the servers continuously being chock-full with people. I hope it's an indication that the game's retention rate will be high.
Only problem is I found several classes that I really liked and now I feel I have to play through all of them to not miss out.
I've been playing MMOs since UO back in 99 and I love this game (TOR)
I think you are wrong good sir.
Ive been in beta for a while now and I will not be getting the game.
Its an ok game but not what i am looking for in a MMO. If the game didnt have a sub I might pick it up but I honestly dont see it offering enough to justify me paying for a monthly sub.
I changed my mind, but only somewhat. I enjoyed the story a lot. Everything else was exactly as I expected.
I was going to buy the game regardless, since many friends are playing. At least now I will actually want to play, until the end of the story at least.
I still don't think this game would be good for me in the long term. SWTOR is definitely focused more on PvE than PvP, and that's not what I want.
Hopefully EA/Bioware/Mythic (whoever is handling the servers) doesn't get too excited like WAR. Anybody who played that on release remembers how many servers they had, and how quickly it dopped, only to leave empty servers...
I am so on the fence with this game.
It is a bad MMO, it has no innovations besides being fully voice acted, which is not very congruent with the genre anyway. It also takes some big steps backwards, the UI, the low-res graphics, the lack of any option but to go down the beaten path. It seems like the game is from 2006.
But it's just such a fun single player game!
What is holding me back is how much money it costs. A game like this should not have a monthly fee.
I have been up and down about the the game. My initial reaction to it after the first beta weekend was fairly positive, however after having another weekend to play it, I found it to be uninspiring and lackluster to say the least. I had a lot of hours to game this weekend, and I will *always* choose an MMO if I have a good one to play. I ended up skipping it in favor of Battlefield 3, mostly because I kept finding myself bored in SWTOR.
Things that bothered me the most:
World feels lifeless - no detail work to make it feel like a living place, static mobs, no day/night, no weather, no sense of 'home away from home', etc. Whole game feels very plastic, contrived and sterile.
Combat was strange - I didn't like all the cartoony mechanics such as the long leaps or tumbles into battle. Did not like the way cover works on the smuggler where I see green ghosts of cover points.
Character animations are horrible, especially the running animation, and characters feel unsubstantial.
This game takes hand-holding to an all new level. One doesn't have to do much thinking to play it. Even the speeder travel system shows/tells you where to go for your quests.
VO quests were mostly fine, but they started getting on my nerves during standard questing. Also, the VO appears to be the main focus of this game, and the gameplay in between was just weak.
There's more, and I could go into lots of detail, but the summary is that the game failed to grab me and pull me into the Star Wars universe. In fact, there is little or no immersion for me at all. It doesn't feel like an MMO to me in that way, not even a themepark, really.
I pre-ordered already, and I was planning to play it for a few months, but now I don't know. I'm not the biggest fan of Rift, but I consider Rift to be a much more engaging experience than SWTOR. I'll probably just get my MMO fix there for now, until The Secret World and GW2 come along next year.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
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A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
I finalized my pov. NOT SUBSCRIBING.
Love the pve,crafting seems OK,lack of 24/7 persistent world pvp as a major game element was the deciding factor(perhaps when you are a 50) I'm just not paying $60 plus $15/month to see what this aspect of the game might be.
"Time... to die."
Well, first you have to pay for it. I read a disappointed Xondar on other forums.
This site is filled with themepark burnouts. Which is fine, but it really gets old when they constantly bash themeparks and TOR specifically, non-stop, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 4 weeks a month, 12 months a year. If they can't find fan posts to pick apart and denegrate, then they're making their own topics, beating the dead horse till it reincarnates into the next big themepark game.
I've been beta testing for over 6 months. I got my CE pre-order in July and am happy to keep it and look forward to enjoying release. It's not the perfect game for me, but it fits me better than anything else out there. Between it and my peaking interest in GW2, I'll have both a nice sci-fi and fantasy MMO to keep me entertained for a long time to come.
I still think swtor is just a generic nothing impressive wow clone, but I still had fun with it, I am probally going to buy the game just because I am so bored, I hope they remove the pvp earnable gear, and add some land control pvp, sort of stupid that with these 2 factions at war and there is no static land control ala daoc.
Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:
A. Proven right (if something bad happens)
or
B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)
Either way, you can't lose! Try it out sometime!